Low Grade LLLL.com Valuation Poll

[VURG]

Since I started a discussion about LLLL.com floor prices, I thought I would ask this question to see what floor price Namepros members would vote on.

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

The best way to determine this is to look at Buy Requests threads by @robosapien.

For example, for LLLL.com:

• https://www.namepros.com/threads/buying-llll-com-4l-domains-min-200-max-1000-no-j-q.1294214/

As of this post:

Price	Letters	Accepted patterns
1000 USDT	Allowed: A,B,C,D,E,I,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T Not Allowed: F,G,H,J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z	CCCC, VCCC, CVCC, CCVC, CCCV, CVVC, VCCV, VVCC, CCVV
650 USDT	Allowed: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T Not Allowed: J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z	CCCC, VCCC, CVCC, CCVC, CCCV, CVVC, VCCV, VVCC, CCVV
500 USDT	Allowed: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,K,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T Not Allowed: J,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z	CCCC, VCCC, CVCC, CCVC, CCCV, CVVC, VCCV, VVCC, CCVV
400 USDT	Allowed: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,K,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T Not Allowed: J,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z	VVVC, CVVV, VCVV, VVCV, VVVV
200 USDT	Allowed: A,B,C,D,E,I,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z Not Allowed: F,G,H,J,K,Q	CCCC, VCCC, CVCC, CCVC, CCCV (only 1 letter from U, V, W, X, Y, Z in total)

They have 22k+ of them: https://4l.com/portfolio/

Bonus reading: Exploring Optimal Prices for 4L .com Domains

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Same can probably be said about LLL.com:

• https://www.namepros.com/threads/bu...35-000-max-55-000-no-j-q-u-v-w-x-y-z.1310561/

As of this post:

Tier	Allowed / Disallowed Letters	Price (per domain)
1	No J / Q / U / V / W / X / Y / Z	35 000 $
2	No H / J / K / Q / U / V / W / X / Y / Z	45 000 $
3	No A / E / H / I / J / K / O / Q / U / V / W / X / Y / Z	55 000 $

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Those Buy Requests threads are updated frequently as the market fluctuates.

 

[VURG]

@Bravo Mod Team - Thanks for your response. Just to clarify, when I say low grade LLLL.com, I am talking about the LLLL.com that @robosapien is not interested in. @robosapien has put a lot of work into developing his classification systems and getting his pricing right. I have a lot of respect for his work. My interest is in the floor price and this starts at the bottom of the market.

 

[Sjpals]

I deem the lowest value to be what i can buy them at (eg what someone is willing to pay). I was buying some on dropcatch, but they dont seem to sell now for under USD $120. So, I would say USD $120 as that is the lowest price I can find 4L for.

 

[VURG]

I deem the lowest value to be what i can buy them at (eg what someone is willing to pay). I was buying some on dropcatch, but they dont seem to sell now for under USD $120. So, I would say USD $120 as that is the lowest price I can find 4L for.

Thanks for your feedback.

You see, when I was younger the CCC.com value was hovering around a similar price to LLLL.com for quite a while. I was making a bit of pocket money flipping CCC.com. Then over a short period, the price jumped to mid $XXX and they have been harder to get ever since. I have a theory that LLLL.com are due for a jump like this. They have been bought out for over 18 years now. My thoughts are that they are due for a mid $XXX jump. I have been trying to focus my discussion on the worst of the worst with LLLL.com as I think the narrative of LLLL.com is overdue for change. I am not interested in favouritism with particular letters. I think the worst of the worst with LLLL.com are still valuable with many LLLL.com investors/traders. I believe that one of the great appeals with LLLL.com is their liquidity as they are easy to liquidate by auction because there is a steady market. The LLLL.com exodus out of the low $XXX status is a big story when it happens and I want to know about it when it happens. When it reaches the mid $XXX status, that is when the annual renewal fees start to look a lot less confronting.

 

[bmugford]

I agree that the resale value on the worst of the worst is low $1XX.

As far as the comparison to CCC.com, it's really a supply thing.

There are a total of 46,656 (36 x 36 x 36) CCC combinations.

17,576 (26 x 26 x 26) of those are LLL.com.
Another 1,000 are NNN.com.

So, in total there are only 28,080 CCC.com that contain at least one number and one letter.

There are 456,976 LLLL.com.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

I understand the low resale value for "bad" LLLL.com.

Outside the Chinese bubble, where random junk ones rose to a few thousand dollars for really no reason over a short period of time, all the rest I have sold are higher quality letter combos.

Brad

 

[VURG]

There are 456,976 LLLL.com.

That's why as far as I remember, I haven't argued the credibility of a mid $XXX price jump on Namepros for the last 18 years. We had a surge of interest years back when the Chinese investors entered the LLLL.com market and that helped stabilise the high $XX - low $XXX. A jump to mid $XXX is not going to happen overnight. A new investor group has to carry the weight of the risk. My position this last fortnight is to affirm my confidence in the potential of low grade LLLL.com demand rising. I am not staking my claim to this confidence with investing in the domains as my domaining strategy is equity in technology based projects. 18 years of renewal fees is quite expensive and so there has been a large investment cost by investors in this category of domains.

What I am trying to do is steer my conversation to the bottom floor price for LLLL.com. Many domainers don't want to go there as many people have been burned by renewal fees. A new investor group needs to arrive to lift the demand. My observation is that I think that the conditions are getting closer to being ready for that new investor group to arrive.

 

[bmugford]

What I am trying to do is steer my conversation to the bottom floor price for LLLL.com. Many domainers don't want to go there as many people have been burned by renewal fees. A new investor group needs to arrive to lift the demand. My observation is that I think that the conditions are getting closer to being ready for that new investor group to arrive.

For anything to change on a large scale, end user demand would have to increase dramatically.

End users are rarely buying low quality LLLL.com. That is the fundamental problem limiting growth.

As a domain investment, you are better off investing mid $XXX into buying 10+ GoDaddy closeout domains. IMO.

Those likely have a better chance of selling to end users than the lowest quality LLLL.com.

Brad

 

[VURG]

I am not phased by today's endusers. I pay attention to different data than most domainers. I see the world in the midst of emerging cultural shifts and so I am preparing for a future enduser market.

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

I am talking about the LLLL.com that @robosapien is not interested in.

There didn't used to be any excluded in that Buy Request thread. For example:

• The lowest in 2023 was $150 per LLLL.com (any letters).
• In 2024, it was $100 per LLLL.com (any letters).

In any case, @robosapien is probably the best suited to answer your question as it stands today. My guess is < $100 for the worst ones.

 

[VURG]

Thanks for that clarification. I am very convinced that @robosapien is one of the core LLLL.com experts on this forum. He has invested a lot of time and money into his work.

 

[4L.com]

It is hard to call me an expert, because I spend very little time on domaining. It is just a hobby for a couple of hours a week, not my main job. I do not follow trends and things like that. I can only think based on my personal experience and the data I have.

As was mentioned here before, in 2023 I bought any 4-letter domain combinations with the letters J or Q at a fixed price of $150. In 2023 alone, I bought more than 6,409 such domains. Later I stopped buying them actively. When in 2025 I decided to buy more, I was flooded with offers to buy similar domains with J and/or Q for $100. I bought 246 such domains in less than one month. These offers came from resellers, meaning they had bought these domains even cheaper from the original owners.

Just yesterday, I published data about the letter distribution in domains based on the sales history of random 4-letter domains. I made this data for myself to better understand the value of letters. Here is the final table:

It clearly shows that the worst letter, by a large margin, is the letter Q. If it is present in a domain, the chance of selling that domain drops a lot. Of course, if some crazy trend appears, like the current AI trend, the situation can change a lot. For example, this could happen if affordable quantum computers become available.
Again, based on my personal experience, if we look at domains with the letters J or Q, then in 2025 I sold 103 such domains during the whole year (sell-through rate of about 1.39%) for a total of $93,055. Platform fees were about $14,000. So, $93,055 minus $14,000 equals $79,055.

If we calculate renewals at the lowest current price (without discounts or coupons), renewing all remaining similar domains would cost 7,409 × 10.16 = $75,275.44. So the profit is $79,055 minus $75,275.44, which equals $3,779.56 for the whole year. The total amount invested in purchases was $1,060,990. This gives an ROI of about 0.35% per year. This does not even cover inflation. And this is without counting the cost of buying the sold domains, which was $15,080. If we subtract that as well, the result looks even worse.

That is why I already wrote that, in my personal opinion, buying such domains is a very bad investment. In the long term, it will only lead to a loss of money. This would make sense if the renewal price for such domains were $6–$7, because then there would be at least some profit instead of a loss. And I think that for this exact reason, as soon as I started buying such domains in 2025, I was flooded with offers (where owners get less than $100 for their J/Q domains). People see from their own experience that there is no real high profit there.

Source:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009554012912377996