LLLL.com Floor Price Project - #MyPitch

[VURG]

This is my pitch.

I am pitching the idea that the LLLL.com investor community on Namepros work together to develop a business model protocol that I call the #CatchEngineProtocol. I believe that the Namepros forum format is sufficient to build the protocol around. The objective is for a LLLL.com thread to have a continuous stream of LLLL.com buyers (Who I call the Anchors) who have a steady budget to catch all the LLLL.com that need to be liquidated by sellers. This means that we can establish a continuous public floor price for LLLL.com in the same way that the share market establishes a continuous floor price for shares. This floor price system should establish greater liquidity for the LLLL.com market. I am convinced that there is a strong enough demand for LLLL.com to have a continuous floor price for LLLL.com sellers to know how much to sell their domain collection at any point. This would cement a degree of liquidity to LLLL.com domains and would attract new investors into the LLLL.com market.

The focus is by refining the protocol so that buyers and sellers know how to navigate the thread and so they can know at any point in time how to sell their domains and what the current price for their domains are. By proving this proof of concept with the LLLL.com domains, other domain investor groups can use the experience to develop models for other domain classification groups. I am suggesting the LLLL.com investor community to develop this proof of concept first.

At this point in time, I think a core community needs to be established to see if there is enough support in Namepros to launch this. I can't afford to be an anchor and the system doesn't work with a strong enough #AnchorGroup and so I think that this discussion needs to attract a significant core group. I also don't want to be a moderator of this. I can pitch the model and explain details about the model but some moderation may be needed.

 

[TLDWars]

There are 456,976 possible combinations of four letters using the English alphabet, assuming each letter can be repeated. If repetition is not allowed, the number of combinations would be 358,800.

When buying LLLL.com domains as investment or to resell it, unless you are lucky enough to pick up a LLLL that spells an english word like, Aces, Ball, Bank, Book, Beds, Doll, Guns, Euro, Jeep , you get my point, big impactful 4-Letter words, all the rest have no value to be honest, the same goes for LLLLL, LLLLLL, LLLLLLL.coms etc.

Ive seen 4-letter .com domains selling for under $100, Ive been in online group talks where strong names like Hockey.com is not receiving a high valuation like it should.

Ive seen really good one word Domain's selling for under $5,000 and a 3 or 4-word .com with over 20 letters selling for over $20k.

I recently sold a NLL.xyz that I purchased for $0.99 in July and was contacted by Whois in November stating they received contact inquiry about the domain. I made contact with the person, who was a GoDaddy broker and after commissions etc I received $2050 on the Domain.

At the end of the day it is all down the end user and what they are willing to pay, if you have a luxury one word that someone wants, for example Tesla.com you have struck rich just like the owner of Tesla.com that received millions for, Elon also bought X.com for 11 million, a Domain he owed and gave up when he sold Paypal.

I currently have an inquiry for a LLLL.com which ive asked Namepros to value as no Ai appraisal gives accurate information. Dynadot appraisal puts a value of $1,668, GoDaddy $3,562, Atom $9,899, Saw $15,000 so no one can put an exact value on a domain, its not a stock.

When it comes to domain names and valuations, the only way a domain can hold real value is if it is Trademarked and Copyrighted etc. You see in the industry all the time a good .com up for sale like Agentic.com, Versity.com etc going up for sale and posted on X or Meta and within an hour domainers register Agentic.ai, io, xyz, de, ae, co etc.

The multimillion and billion dollar business have full protection against their domain name, Like Rolex, Bmw, Hilton etc, and anyone created and uses this name in any other TLD or format, no matter if it has no connection or comparison to its use compared to the .com, you will very quickly a legal cease and desist letter in the post, but small businesses does not get this protection.

The industry speaks highly and puts huge values on .com, but in the coming years, .com will become a gradfather clock with zero value as the new GenZ and the up and coming companies especially due to Ai will shift to Tlds like .ai, io, xyz etc, so when trying to find domains with value, the best advice is to find 1-word and 2-word .ai, io and xyz etc, because with all the .coms already taken and well overpriced the buyers will buy the key words in the Tld that is inline with the world today.

Here is an example of how the world transacts when searching the web.

In 2001 Hotels.com sold for 11 million but is crippled by bookings.com Booking.com receives significantly more traffic than Hotels.com, with millions of visits each month. In November 2025, Booking.com had approximately 409 million visits, while Hotels.com does not match this level of traffic.

Some investors hold domains .com that are valued at hundreds of millions, but unless they find a buyer its only a word and will soon be little or nothing as the world shifts to Ai and future technology and domains will follow suit just like the shifts from petrol to Ev, mobile to smart, 3G to 5G, plazma to Lcd drive to self drive, Nokia to Apple etc

Im sure ill have the experts now shoot down this post stating ive no idea what Im talking about, but the Diamond industry thought they were untouchable until lab diamonds went on sale.

So my point is stop trying to find the LLLL and one word.com that will make you rich, find the major one and two word domains in ai, io, xyz this is what will bring you value.

With Ai becoming a major part of our lives and future , why would GenZ pay tens or hundreds of millions for cars.com, hey.com, Bank.com etc, when they can purchase the Ai, io etc version thats in line with the world today a whole lot cheaper.

Ill await the Tsunami of domainers to contradict and disagree with this post.

 

[Vertibox]

What about the yea.net site that has been developed for valuing domains?
A section for LLLL.com names could easily be added if the developer thought it was a good idea.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/ye...ame-valuations-and-0-commission-sales.1369717

 

[VURG]

I have found some time to focus on where I think the discussion of this thread needs to be. I don't want to blah blah about my model at this stage. My focus is on the #InitialPrice to build my discussion around. This is not something that I am offering. I want to see if anyone is interested in being the founding anchor to launch my model.

$80/LLLL,com - (Bulk Domain Price, No filters on any letters)
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Want to start at the bottom of the LLLL.com market. The model starts with the buyers, not the sellers. Any opinions on this starting price?

 

[TLDWars]

What about the yea.net site that has been developed for valuing domains?
A section for LLLL.com names could easily be added if the developer thought it was a good idea.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/ye...ame-valuations-and-0-commission-sales.1369717

There is no person in existence that can value a domain, they can give an opinion of what it may be worth, but unless an end user is willing to pay it all it is is an estimate. Theres numerous sites that give appraisals none of them give the same or even close to each other value of the domain, accross the top 5 registers a domain vill be valued at under 2k, under 4k, under 6k under 10k under 15k, so which one is it, is Dynadot correct, or is, GoDaddy, Saw, Atom or Sedo correct ?

If i hold in my posession 1kilo of gold, no matter what country in the world im in , I can sell it instantly for €123,989.35, If my home is valued at 2m, i can walk into any bank and borrow 1 million dollars using my home as security.

If you have a domain that an Ai or broker value at 1 million, try get a loan from a bank using the domain as security or try sell it instantly for 1 million dollars, you will then realize the true value of your domain when the banks decline your application stating they wont except your domain as security against the loan and there is no one who will instantly buy it at that value,

 

[bmugford]

If i hold in my posession 1kilo of gold, no matter what country in the world im in , I can sell it instantly for €123,989.35, If my home is valued at 2m, i can walk into any bank and borrow 1 million dollars using my home as security.

If you have a domain that an Ai or broker value at 1 million, try get a loan from a bank using the domain as security or try sell it instantly for 1 million dollars, you will then realize the true value of your domain when the banks decline your application stating they wont except your domain as security against the loan and there is no one who will instantly buy it at that value,

I agree with the overall premise. Domains are illiquid, one of a kind assets with subjective value.

If you have a business track record of making sales though, you will be able to get a loan regardless of the underlying product.

However, no bank is equipped to make loans based on a domain itself.

As far as precious metals, the value is not as liquid as people think. There is no easy way to actually get spot price.

You might, in ordinary times, get around 95% from a coin dealer. It would be much less from a pawnshop.

From what I have seen recently, no dealer is willing to pay close to that.

They are not going to risk getting left holding the bag with the recent surge, especially for silver.

Still, it's much more liquid than domains.

Brad

 

[TLDWars]

Your 100% correct in regards to a bank loaning money if you show a history of sales but this is based on your sales records going through your accounts and credit score and zero to do with the domain.

In relation to the gold, again your correct to state that most places will give up to 95% , this figure is based walking into a cash for gold , a jewlers or a gold dealer, but if you walk into a main gold supplier like a vault or gold bullion they give you the exact up to the minute market price of what it is worth in full it doesnt matter if your credit rating is 100 or minus 100 the asset is the security.

if ive got gemstones with certificates from GIA, AGS or IGI, that can be used as security, it can also be insured, im not sure if insurance exists for domains but I highly doubt it.

Are Domains a good investment ? Its a game of luck, its not like stocks that can be bought and sold its more baseball and pokamon cards, you can have hundreds or thousands of them but if your lucky you might have one worth a lot of money.

Gold Prices goes up and down, but once you own you can sell at any time with no maintance fees.

if you own 1000 .com thats a yearly renewal cost of over $10k if you havent sold a domain to cover that yearly renewal your loosing money.

As of December 2025 theres 762 million domains, with .com theres 156.7 million domains. This year to date, 93,100 domains were sold 73,600 were .com domains totalling 91.4 million this gives an average of $1,243 per domain

The reported sales of other top GTLDs was 1,115 with an average of 2,064 per domain, these domains been .ai, .io and .xyz.

The top selling .ai is recorded at $51,000

.io saw 5 domains selling for over $100k

.xyz recorded sales of mid to late 5 figure sales.

The increasing sales, particularly of .ai, are part of a broader trend where businesses are aligning their digital identities with technological advancements. The rising number of registrations and sales prices reflects a robust interest in carving out online identity in high-impact sectors like tech and AI.

The market dynamics illustrate the competitive nature of domain registrations, especially amid evolving consumer preferences toward meaningful, technology-oriented domain names.

 

[Vertibox]

There is no person in existence that can value a domain, they can give an opinion of what it may be worth, but unless an end user is willing to pay it all it is is an estimate. Theres numerous sites that give appraisals none of them give the same or even close to each other value of the domain, accross the top 5 registers a domain vill be valued at under 2k, under 4k, under 6k under 10k under 15k, so which one is it, is Dynadot correct, or is, GoDaddy, Saw, Atom or Sedo correct ?

If i hold in my posession 1kilo of gold, no matter what country in the world im in , I can sell it instantly for €123,989.35, If my home is valued at 2m, i can walk into any bank and borrow 1 million dollars using my home as security.

If you have a domain that an Ai or broker value at 1 million, try get a loan from a bank using the domain as security or try sell it instantly for 1 million dollars, you will then realize the true value of your domain when the banks decline your application stating they wont except your domain as security against the loan and there is no one who will instantly buy it at that value,

I made a mistake (it was late).
The yea.net site was not created for valuing domains, because the creator of that site understands, as many do, that domain valuation is not getting many domain sellers and buyer anywhere. They list their reasoning for setting up this site, including the reasons you mention and which afflict all imaginary values. I agree with you that non-one can truly value a domain name and those who do claim the ability to do so are lairs and thieves.

No, this site was setup to show what people are willing to actually pay for any given name, at any moment in time.
If you read through the OP it will detail how the idea works. I think it's a very good idea and I hope more people will give it a look.

 

[TLDWars]

The idea is great, but how get a true value unless you bring end buyers, only they can value it

 

[Vertibox]

The idea is great, but how get a true value unless you bring end buyers, only they can value it

Again, it's not about valuations. We need to forget about valuations and look at what a person would be willing to actually pay, right now. If the seller agrees to the offer, a sale is made.

If you read the info in the thread from the creator, you will understand how the site works.

I still have a few questions about some aspects and I'm waiting for the OP to reply.

 

[VURG]

Again, it's not about valuations. We need to forget about valuations and look at what a person would be willing to actually pay, right now. If the seller agrees to the offer, a sale is made.

If you read the info in the thread from the creator, you will understand how the site works.

I still have a few questions about some aspects and I'm waiting for the OP to reply.

Thanks for the prompt to reply @Vertibox. I am happy to answer your questions.

Aim of the project: To develop a decentralised protocol for buyers and sellers to interact within a thread on Namepros that aims to provide a #SellItNowPrice for LLLL.com to sellers 24 hours a day and 7 days a week so that sellers know a clear obvious floor price to sell at any time.

Reason for floating $80 as a conversation starter: The aim of starting the discussion at this price was to pick a price that some people would classify as lowballing so that the protocol developers can take the heat for suggesting low prices to get the ball rolling. As has been stated in this thread, many people use floor prices higher than $80. At the end of the day, the buyers determine the price.

What I mean by decentralised protocol: The vision for this is for a protocol to be developed that is owned by nobody that is for sellers and buyers to use. There is some aspects that I can contribute to. There is some I can't. As the protocol is developed, roles may be identified through the process. I am inspired by the decentralised nature of how blockchain technology has been developed. If this protocol proves valuable, it could then be an inspiration for open source technology that compliments this work.

What information is needed from the buyer:

• Price to pay for the LLLL.com domains
• Any categorical pricing info if there are different prices for different types of LLLL.com
• Number of domains that the buyer is interested to buy
• Waiting period that the buyer is interested to wait for sale
• Payment method
• Security conditions of sale

What is important to note: This is a market lead by buyers but in order to work buyers are sharing the same marketplace. A system (e.g. Auction) needs to be agreed by the community so that it is very clear to the seller what the acting price for their domains are. The experience for the seller is that they visit the thread and within an instant they can calculate how much their collection will sell for so they can make their calculation quickly.

Scaling Potential: Proof of concept of this business model with LLLL.com opens the door for customising protocols for all types of domain names. LLLL.com has been intentionally picked at an initial market to develop this protocol as it is has a very clear stable floor price compared to most domain types. After domains, there are hundreds of other types of markets that could benefit from this protocol.

Main Focus For Now: The first sellers of the business model I call the #FoundationAnchors. These are the first people who carry the risk of the system. I want to start the conversation at $80 because I want to open the discussion where shy anchors don't get criticised by starting in the lowballing zone. The idea is just an idea if the foundation anchors are not ready to carry the risk of the system. I don't expect to find them in 2025 but I think there is potential for this business model to take off.

Personal Note: I am building this model around the name #CatchEngine. I have positioned this name as an alternative system to #SearchEngines. I am building my career around the word catch as I hope to build technology similar to this outside domain names. I have personally had to let go of hundreds of domain names in the past and so I know how difficult it is for domainers when you overcapitalise. It is my hope that this protocol can help people in financial situations where they need to sell assets quickly to avoid personal trauma.

 

[Vertibox]

Thanks for the prompt to reply @Vertibox. I am happy to answer your questions.

I wasn't referring to you when I said that I was waiting for the OP to reply. It was to the other person who has started the yea.net site, as per the link I added in post #22. I thought that site might be a place where what you seek might happen/work.

I am not focused/looking at LLLL.com, pe sey.

 

[biggie]

Hi

sedo set floor at $99 for their auctions so why list for less than that

imo…

 

[Corey]

An interesting resource - 4 Letter Noob

Cheers
Corey

 

[VURG]

I wasn't referring to you when I said that I was waiting for the OP to reply. It was to the other person who has started the yea.net site, as per the link I added in post #22. I thought that site might be a place where what you seek might happen/work.

I am not focused/looking at LLLL.com, pe sey.

Point noted. Thanks for the clarification

 

[VURG]

Update:

• Considering using Google Docs and Google Forms to compliment protocol
• Considering a #CeilingPriceProtocol to compliment #FloorPriceProtocol
• Considering the concept of a third party agent option to protect identities of buyers and sellers and offer a potential income stream for agents who can't afford to be buyers or sellers

Price Definitions

• #FloorPrice - Maximum known public price for buyers offering to buy LLLL.com
• #CeilingPrice - Minimum known public price for sellers offering to sell LLLL.com

 

[VURG]

After reflection on what I have achieved through this thread, I have realised that I am trying to achieve through this thread is a #CatchEngineProtocol. With a protocol thousands of businesses can be built using the protocol as a guide instead of me trying to build just one business. Establishing floor prices for domain names is just one area for this protocol and LLLL.com is a niche within the domain name sphere. I have appreciated everyone's feedback. I am expecting 2026 to be the year that the #CatchEngine business model is launched and I am very excited about this.

I believe that the LLLL.com has hovered around the floor price of $100 - $200 for too long. It is my hope that by establishing a more steady floor price through the #CatchEngine business model, that there is the potential to lift the floor price towards the mid $XXX - low $XXXX value. I am anticipating that this model helps attract new money into LLLL.com market to lift the prices. I am inspired by the impact Black Rock had on Bitcoin values when they entered into the Bitcoin market. Black Rock had a stabilising effect on the market and brought in new money. I see that by establishing stronger stability in LLLL.com market, new buyers can be attracted.

I am not making promises. I can't predict the future. I just believe that my protocol project has a lot of strength to it from a first principles basis. Enhancing stability for floor prices in the LLLL.com market in 2026 would be an exciting project to be part of.

 

[scithe]

I'd probably grab 50 4Ls at $70 each regardless of the letters.

 

[VURG]

I'd probably grab 50 4Ls at $70 each regardless of the letters.

If I started an introduction thread in the Requests section of Namepros introducing the #CatchEngine business model for LLLL.com floor prices, would you be willing to add a post verifying the price, number of LLLL.com you are after, selling conditions and time you are willing to wait at that price?

I think $70 sounds like a good starting floor price to work with.

Based on the #BirdInTheHand principle, $70 is a legitimate claim for a LLLL.com floor price as it is based on #ConfirmedDemand rather than historical analysis.

 

[Corey]

@VURG are you willing to expand/explain/post about your #CatchEngine?

Also WIFM to divulge info about my LLLL.com portfolio?

Cheers
Corey

 

[scithe]

If I started an introduction thread in the Requests section of Namepros introducing the #CatchEngine business model for LLLL.com floor prices, would you be willing to add a post verifying the price, number of LLLL.com you are after, selling conditions and time you are willing to wait at that price?

I think $70 sounds like a good starting floor price to work with.

Based on the #BirdInTheHand principle, $70 is a legitimate claim for a LLLL.com floor price as it is based on #ConfirmedDemand rather than historical analysis.

Lately, I've been less active on this community than I have been in the past though I hope to me more active again soon.

If I understand it correctly, essentially, there'd just be a post in the Liquid Domains section( https://www.namepros.com/forums/liquid-domains-for-sale.338/ ) where people who were unsuccessful at their own high price auctions or BINs could post their domain and the first one of us to comment sold, would be locked in to buy it for $70? And then gradually the floor price would rise as more buyers showed up?

Perhaps maybe we set a rule in the OP of the thread, so that whenever a domain is posted, it is considered as being listed as a 24-hour auction with a starting bid of $70. That way if someone is looking to liquidate their domains but they have a better name than they realize, us wholesalers could bid the domain up.

I think though as the mods have mentioned, this could potentially be harder to follow. But perhaps each domain being posted would be just a solid 24 hours from start to finish without popcorn bidding time being added--or each bidder can only place 1 bid per domain, so each wholesale buyer wanting to acquire that domain, needs to give their best offer because they won't be able to offer a higher number.

I think whoever the OP of the post is, it should be someone who is active here and foresees being active here for a while so that we could make alterations to the OP as needed. For instance, to cut down on bids, if a month goes by where every domain is bid up to $80+ $90+ or $100+ then the OP could raise the floor so that there's not a constant flood of bids each time a domain is posted.

I would do my best to check the post at least weekly until the ball was rolling and then I imagine if I was buying domains regularly, I would probably be checking it twice a day haha!