LLLL.com's plummeting in value?

[labrocca]

Is it just my imagination or are these no longer something to hold. I actually sold most of my quality LLLL.com for $xxx and a few crappers for $60-$80.

I saw just a couple months ago it seemed the minimal was $40-$50 but now it's like $20-$25 if that even.

I believe these "sellouts" aren't going to be earners anymore. CCC.net's have gone nowhere and now LLLL.com's are faultering. Quality is one again winning over quality. Doesn't matter how many LLLL.com's are sold out because fqzx.com is still low quality no matter how you look at it.

Discuss.

 

[thenext88]

It's been $20-$25 minimum for a few months.

 

[GF]

I think that right now a lot of people are looking at renewals coming up and want to unload them.

Right now there is an abundance of supply that has hit the market, so it's easy to snag them for cheap prices.

 

[onewordonly]

It's interesting to see as I have not kept up with the price much lately. If these are failing then it's not a great sign for other LLLL ones like .net & .info etc or LL-L.com etc... Maybe with the stock market crash we will see more speculators with cash soon to pick the market up again. I'm guessing it is a lot to do with over supply, bad economy & also the way new extensions will be on offer soon as announced by ICann a few months ago...

 

[ssamriga]

I think it's not good for LLLL nets infos etc.
but .com remains .com even in recession, I predict that the prices will go up in 2009.
might fall to regfee for the worst ones before that though
but in that case we have several members here who promised last year to buy out every available LLLL.com this fall/winter.

 

[metronome]

@lab

it is not minimum 20 anymore
I asked like 2-5 days ago that it is actually around 15 by now for bulk buy:D.

 

[GF]

I'm going to forward this thread to Reece by PM to see if he can comment on what he thinks.

If there's someone who is an expert on short domains, it would be NamePros' very own Reece!

 

[VURG]

I say that until LLLL.com are 100% backordered, the value in the lower value domains is volatile. This trend appears same for any type of bought out domain. When CCC.com became 100% backordered, it was very exciting but they hovered between $20 and $50 for quite a while before then. There was some excitement in January/February as it looked like there was a large enough demand to reach this stage but it didn't happen.

There is still a lot of domainers who invested into these names with the intension of a quick flip who are liquidating their domains and the long term investors have little motivation to backorder the low quality domains when you can get them cheaper on the reseller market.

That said, I was never a big fan of domains like fqzx.com. I much prefer a nice sounding LLLLL.com.

 

[accent]

I have been wondering where Reece is. 4letternoob.com is a holding page.

The world economy is in recession. All domains will continue to fall in price until the economy finds bottom. The new federal buy-up of junk mortgage loans may do it, or there could be a long while yet to go. No way to tell from here. I think LLLL.coms will do very well, compared to the over all domain market, once the recession is over. Until then there are few with money to buy. I agree there are still short-timers in the market, more so than more mature sectors.

 

[GF]

A post by Reece back in June entitled "Portrait of a Crashing LLLL.com Market":
http://bqb.com/4letternoob/index.php/domain-names/portrait-of-a-crashing-market/

 

[-REECE-]

Completely agree.

I know many of us have been saying for many months now that renewal time would be "interesting".

The low end LLLL.com market is still saturated with flippers who are imho largely to blame for both the rapid rise and rapid decline. Many LLLL.com investors have been saying from the start that the low end market was a long term play.. I really can't see it any other way at present and I doubt things will get better before they get worse.

The very high end LLLL.com market seems to be doing just fine, with CVCVs leading the way. This would seem to defy any argument which places blame for what's happened largely on the economy.

The economy certainly isn't helping, however I think the majority of the blame lies on speculators who quite simply, over-speculated.

For a domainer interested in entering this market, the next couple months present an interesting opportunity for them to observe and/or capitalize on what happens next.

Freshly renewed LLLL.coms are being had for as little as $15 at present, placing the value of an LLLL.com expiring in the Sep-Nov 08 timeframe at about $8. At that price point, flippers are at best breaking even (and that's assuming they got in pre-buyout which most didn't).

What these flippers decide to do will imho largely decide how these renewals play out. Some of the flippers who got into LLLL.coms in the Jan-March 08 period have gotten burnt pretty bad already and it'll be interesting to see how much more they can take.

I say that until LLLL.com are 100% backordered, the value in the lower value domains is volatile. This trend appears same for any type of bought out domain. When CCC.com became 100% backordered, it was very exciting but they hovered between $20 and $50 for quite a while before then. There was some excitement in January/February as it looked like there was a large enough demand to reach this stage but it didn't happen.

There is still a lot of domainers who invested into these names with the intension of a quick flip who are liquidating their domains and the long term investors have little motivation to backorder the low quality domains when you can get them cheaper on the reseller market.

That said, I was never a big fan of domains like fqzx.com. I much prefer a nice sounding LLLLL.com.

 

[goodkarmaco]

LLLL owners caught in a poor economy

Shock and awe is hitting the world now as people lift their heads out of the sand and see how the commies who run this government is now -ucking up our lifestyles and our freedoms.

Lower priced LLLL are owned mostly by domainers on a lower budget. Its those domainers who are feeling the downturn. When money is tight due to the inflation we have been getting I can understand the renew or sell cheap theory.

To call this a recession is overstating the economy.

This is a revelation moment where the curtain has been lifted and we can see the lies and ignorance of our elected officials. This bunch of morons out did any party before them and sold out capitialism to socialism. We will have a much longer downturn then a normal recession. The massive paper dollars to fund this nationalization for this gang of looters will guarantee massive inflation.

If the economy continues to implode will LLLL go up? Probably, after 2010.

 

[duceman]

I'll still be a buyer of anything semi-premium or better at drop time.

The wealthy make their wealth during economic downturn.
my 2 c

 

[onlinelife]

456976 LLLL out there, certainly xyzq won’t help to raise their value... supply and demand rules!

 

[gladdy]

As easy as it is, good LLLL.COM will raise in the value, bad ones lost their value.

 

[ripley]

IMO LLLL.com's were always overvalued, pumped up by domainers eager for the next LLL.com, which may never materialize. The number of potential endusers with four word names/products is simply geometrically less than those with three. Your prospects go down exponentially by adding in the fourth letter abbreviation. And it's hard for me to ever see an enduser market in XZQQ.com.

The overvalued prices were driven by wishful thinking on the part of domainers who didn't get in early enough to get useful letters, imo.

ripley.

 

[Spade]

I think LLLL.com's this year have been the "primary" reseller focus this past year. I think the economy taking tumbles is a huge factor on people spending money in this sector. The truth is, its a risky investment. Early on, the returns were fantastic - better then just about anything out there.

However, the realization is, when the market is in a slump, its clear that speculation was driving prices (especially on the lower end spectrum). Everyone is affected, but the higher quality your holdings, the less dip your seeing rihgt now.

Many of the bigger players warned people this was going to happen. I know I talked to a few people about it early on.

Since the economy is clearly in recession, does that mean that there are less internet users? Nope. It just means consumers are cautious about spending money. This means advertisers need to be smarter and attract more visitors just to maintain their current/past sales volumes.

One thing I love about the internet. You need more sales, buy more traffic.

 

[Tempest111]

I just think the problem is that people look at LLLL.coms like some kind of get rich quick investment, now that they're seeing it isnt many are in panic. Everyone just needs to look at LLLL names for what they are, a solid investment thats sure to outperform traditional ones. Everyone just needs to sit tight and start thinking more long term. Things are going to get better, we just need to ride this downturn out.

 

[deleted984054565403]

I believe these "sellouts" aren't going to be earners anymore. CCC.net's have gone nowhere and now LLLL.com's are faultering. Quality is one again winning over quality. Doesn't matter how many LLLL.com's are sold out because fqzx.com is still low quality no matter how you look at it.

I've been saying that for two years and they said I was crazy. :p

I've never been a huge believer in LLLL .coms, and the only reason I ever bought any was to sell back to domainers that thought they were the next big thing. Sometimes, for people like me, hype is a good thing.

At the end of the day, the only true valuable domains are the ones that can be sold to end users. "VQBZ.COM" is not something an end user will use. In today's Internet, even though a company might use an acronym as their name (which LLLL .coms are commonly used for -- obscure acronyms) an acronym URL isn't the best way to go. Many times, call-to-action names are the way to go to get people to remember your website. For example, if I own a product called "Steve's Zany Skin 'Juvenator" I'm not going to use the domain szsj.com; instead, I'll use something like "GoodbyeDrySkin.com." :imho:

 

[Malaysia]

luckily i manage to sell some in feb price,..n manage to stock in more now some better quality LLLL.coms at much cheaper price.

from the market i am seeing LLLL.com is going for about $15 or so now.. can easily can one at that price esp the crappy ones..the last few % of last year available LLLL.com before buyout..i guess for them its no loss since its 100% profit for them..

even quads premium are going for 160-220 ish price nowadays..

i think its a very bad time to sell these nowadays..better hold a few years more n we will be able to see the true value in them...by then more n more LLLL.com will be in end users hands or developed...