.mobi LLL over or under valued?

[Work In Progress]

I'd like to hear more comments on why so much fuss over LLL mobi's. What are the factors that drive up the price? I recognize perceived scarcity. There is an obvious finite amount of LLL's to be regged (and all seem to be.) Is this just another .com rule we seem to follow? How much more is a LLL valued over a LLLL?

So, I'll start with: We all want what we can't have- Supply and Demand

But why the demand?
Although they're easier to type in and easy to remember, what brings traffic to an LLL? It seems to me there's not much value until a serious amount of marketing comes into play. How many of us type in LLL's into our browsers just because it's easy and quick?

Using one of my own for example, I would rather have autorecalls.mobi than arc.mobi. Now, I also recognize that arc could stand for a lot of things vs. a specific term such as auto recalls, but, let's just say for arguments sake, you're using your new arc.mobi name for auto recalls. As far as getting targeted traffic to your site (as well as better SEO results), wouldn't you think a premium should be placed on an actual word or term vs it's shortened version? Add to the fact, how much marketing will it take to get people looking for auto recall information. Common sense tells me, if I'm at a dealership and he's telling me what's wrong with my car and how much it will cost, I would type in autorecalls.mobi to see if there is any recall work on my model that he could do while I was there, not to mention checking to see if the original problem is covered by a recall he didn't know about (or tell me about). Would I even think about arc.mobi, just because it's shorter? I think not. Now, if I had seen commercials, billboards, heard radio spots or website banners about arc.mobi offering auto recall information from your mobile, yeah, I'd type it in. But, then again, just about ANY name can be successful with big marketing dollars behind it (can you say AFLAC?). So, again, without mass marketing, where is the value?


Do you consider LLL's undervalued or overvalued at this stage of the game? At this stage, I think they're over-valued. But those winds could shift quickly as more and more domainers become "mobi-fied". It seems to me that most LLL sales go from one portfolio to the next, but few are going to end-users. And when they do, how much of a premium will they be willing to fork over?
Just food for thought. Wow, "fork over"..."food"...my subconscious is telling me it's time for dinner...damn this domaining mind...just HAD to check subconscious and...sure enough...available in .mobi...taken in most extensions. Up for grabs if anyone wants it..

:blink:

And to follow up, what about LLLL's. How much less is the worth of one more letter? LLLL.mobi's will be waiting to be regged for a long time yet.

I'm looking forward to seeing other opinions on this subject! :wave:

 

[-REECE-]

I'd like to hear more comments on why so much fuss over LLL mobi's. What are the factors that drive up the price? I recognize perceived scarcity. There is an obvious finite amount of LLL's to be regged (and all seem to be.) Is this just another .com rule we seem to follow? How much more is a LLL valued over a LLLL?

So, I'll start with: We all want what we can't have- Supply and Demand

But why the demand?
Although they're easier to type in and easy to remember, what brings traffic to an LLL? It seems to me there's not much value until a serious amount of marketing comes into play. How many of us type in LLL's into our browsers just because it's easy and quick?

Using one of my own for example, I would rather have autorecalls.mobi than arc.mobi. Now, I also recognize that arc could stand for a lot of things vs. a specific term such as auto recalls, but, let's just say for arguments sake, you're using your new arc.mobi name for auto recalls. As far as getting targeted traffic to your site (as well as better SEO results), wouldn't you think a premium should be placed on an actual word or term vs it's shortened version? Add to the fact, how much marketing will it take to get people looking for auto recall information. Common sense tells me, if I'm at a dealership and he's telling me what's wrong with my car and how much it will cost, I would type in autorecalls.mobi to see if there is any recall work on my model that he could do while I was there, not to mention checking to see if the original problem is covered by a recall he didn't know about (or tell me about). Would I even think about arc.mobi, just because it's shorter? I think not. Now, if I had seen commercials, billboards, heard radio spots or website banners about arc.mobi offering auto recall information from your mobile, yeah, I'd type it in. But, then again, just about ANY name can be successful with big marketing dollars behind it (can you say AFLAC?). So, again, without mass marketing, where is the value?


Do you consider LLL's undervalued or overvalued at this stage of the game? At this stage, I think they're over-valued. But those winds could shift quickly as more and more domainers become "mobi-fied". It seems to me that most LLL sales go from one portfolio to the next, but few are going to end-users. And when they do, how much of a premium will they be willing to fork over?
Just food for thought. Wow, "fork over"..."food"...my subconscious is telling me it's time for dinner...damn this domaining mind...just HAD to check subconscious and...sure enough...available in .mobi...taken in most extensions. Up for grabs if anyone wants it..

:blink:

And to follow up, what about LLLL's. How much less is the worth of one more letter? LLLL.mobi's will be waiting to be regged for a long time yet.

I'm looking forward to seeing other opinions on this subject! :wave:

IMO, LLLL.com's are the most underrated domains on the market today. At this point in time, however, I do not agree with the latest trend of regging LLLL.mobi, even if they are CVCV.

LLL.mobi are extremely overpriced if you put domainers aside. LLL, as in 26x26x26=17,576 and I just start thinking about how many potential endusers there are at the moment... Certainly overpriced enduser-wise, but then there's the dotcom-like speculation we see... Yes, LLL.mobi have potential to trade at a digit, perhaps 2 digits for quality ones, higher than currently should dotmobi become the mobile dotcom. But will it? Weighing risk vs reward... I think prices are fair, if not a bit low when you factor speculation about future potential. There's potentially a whole lot more to be made than lost.

In conclusion, I fully believe LLL.mobi's will continue to rise... This coming from someone who doesn't even own one, so it must be true right :red:

LLLL.mobi's on the other hand, are another story. There are over 450k possibilities for LLLL and 16.9k on CVCV. How many companies have 4 letter acronyms compared to 3? They're just not worth it at this point IMHO.
If dotmobi really takes off like dotcom, yes I'd reg them just like anyone else... But considering a $10 annual renewal fee, it could conceivably cost $50+ for these CVCV/LLLL.mobi before we begin to see any return. IMO, a 100% ROI in 5+ years is bad on an investment this risky. I'd be demanding at least 20% interest a year (coinciding with <3.5 years per doubling).

Everyone can be their own judge here of course, although I must add, it seems the people that missed out on LLL.mobi are much more interested in LLLL.mobi, than those who didn't miss them.

 

[mtvplayer]

the end-users wouild like to take LLL and develop them. why? it is easy to type and remember, also you can easy to find LLL short for some meaning. for many languages in the world, not only English.

on the other hand, some people are not speaking English, so LLL maybe will be better than English word. imo

 

[-REECE-]

the end-users wouild like to take LLL and develop them. why? it is easy to type and remember, also you can easy to find LLL short for some meaning. for many languages in the world, not only English.

on the other hand, some people are not speaking English, so LLL maybe will be better than English word. imo

I agree and it is probable we that may see more non-english speakers than english speakers with such an extension. For that reason, great LLL.mobi such as AAA.mobi, BBB.mobi, etc are pretty much priceless IMHO.

I firmly believe NNN.mobi are underpriced considerably.

 

[garrett200]

Meaningful LLL = priceless, and I will get all I can on the aftermarket.

 

[movingconcierge]

Would you rather have WestLosAngeles or WLA; SanGabrielValley or SGV, etc.

Acronyms are the way that business operates. I hear people talk about things at work and every other word seems to be an acronym. I think the same applies to domain names. Add to that the scarcity and the bridging of the language barrier and you have the makings of a fine investment.

 

[-REECE-]

Would you rather have WestLosAngeles or WLA; SanGabrielValley or SGV, etc.

Acronyms are the way that business operates. I hear people talk about things at work and every other word seems to be an acronym. I think the same applies to domain names. Add to that the scarcity and the bridging of the language barrier and you have the makings of a fine investment.

I agree. I was having a discussion with a friend a few days back about 2 letter dotcoms. If you count only premium letters, it's pretty hard not to be able to name a company that couldn't use it as an acronym...

 

[garrett200]

Agree with the previous two posts, but in the case of .mobi, acronyms are even more important because the number of keystrokes is a big issue.

 

[-REECE-]

Agree with the previous two posts, but in the case of .mobi, acronyms are even more important because the number of keystrokes is a big issue.

Exactly -- which is why I'd imagine they may be worth more than dotcoms someday, even if .mobi reaches an adoption level similar to .net.

 

[Work In Progress]

Would you rather have WestLosAngeles or WLA; SanGabrielValley or SGV, etc.

Acronyms are the way that business operates. I hear people talk about things at work and every other word seems to be an acronym. I think the same applies to domain names. Add to that the scarcity and the bridging of the language barrier and you have the makings of a fine investment.

Many businesses do like acronyms and use them...for what they really are. A short version of their full name. But how many businesses use their acronym "officially" and as a stand alone web address as opposed to their actual name? I don't claim to know this as fact, but I have a feeling that the majority of LLL's (.com) are still held by domainers. Nothing wrong with that either. Hopefully, their investment will pay off handsomely. I'm sure that the majority of corporations would love to have their LLL acronym along with their official name, just for the fact of simple name recognition. If I'm searching for West Los Angeles, do I expect to type in WLA(.whatever) and get an associated site? Not really. Way too many uses for this (as well as most acronyms) to expect this. Not without major marketing. Just Google it and see what I'm talking about. Now, maybe WestLA(.whatever) and, yes, I would expect to see a west LA site. Now, if you're talking about a large corporation / company that is using acronym branding, they're as good as gold. But if I were starting a company and wanted instant name recognition for the least amount of marketing dollars, I'd stick with my full name. Unless, of course it was Scandinavian Elixir Xylitone ... Or at least a shortened version that will SEO well (WestLA). Search engines are still the main conduit from people to sites and I don't believe someone searching for West Los Angeles will type WLA into their preferred search engine (mobile or PC). And even if they DO, will they get West LA sites (yours specifically)? Not a good strategy to maximize visitors, IMHO.

I defiantly agree about the global attraction of acronyms. It widens the prospects of an end user sale greatly.

 

[scandiman]

Do you consider LLL's undervalued or overvalued at this stage of the game? At this stage, I think they're over-valued.

Mark, after spending some time at Sedo looking at the LLL.mobi listings today I tend to agree. There are over 100 names with listed prices of $10,000 USD or more. Sorry but they aren't that good. I keep my eye out for LLL's probably as much as most of you but I've got to see some use for it, not just a random name in my portfolio.

 

[Charley]

And your getting me really excited !

Exactly -- which is why I'd imagine they may be worth more than dotcoms

Imaginations tend to become reality evetually. :bingo:

 

[-REECE-]

And your getting me really excited !

Imaginations tend to become reality evetually. :bingo:

They sure do... There'll be alot of happy NP'ers should that happen

 

[italiandragon]

I`m getting both LLL and LLLL.

People said that LLL.com were worthless. They were wrong.
People said that CCC.com were worthless. They were wrong.
People said that .mobi were worthless. They were wrong.
People said that LLL.mobi won`t finish. They were wrong.
People said that LLLL.com won`t finish. They are going to be wrong.
People say that LLLL.mobi are worthless......who are people?

 

[garrett200]

They are wrong a lot!

 

[accent]

The majority is right most of the time
and wrong at the wrong time

Somewhere in domainville the tide is always rising. Usually it rises quite a bit before the majority notices. Then they jump up and down: "the tide is rising! the tide is rising!".

Happened last year with LLL.us. By the time most people got there the tide was about as high as it was going for a while and that market has not moved much since then.

The trick is to be where the tide is just starting to rise. That is the risky part, because you do not know if it really is going to rise or just sit there looking like it is going to without ever moving.

The LLLL.com and LLLL.mobi are very different bits of waterfront. In .com the tide can be plotted over a long time. It is near certain that it will sweep all the Q's X's and Z's before it and, barring a major recession, LLLL.coms will soon not be available for reg fee. In the mobi area the flow is less easy to predict. The total number of .mobis registered is only a little more than the possible LLLL.mobis - a buyout is not going to happen anytime soon. So the boundaries of the tide flow - if there is a rising tide - are not clear cut. I would say quality is much more important with LLLL.mobis, both true pronounceability and letter quality.

To the OP: All mobi values depend on how the extension shakes out. LLL are a sure investment within the extension because whatever uses are found for .mobi websites short names will be highly desired. So LLL's should have a premium over, say two word generics, because with the generic you have only the one market - if the mobile web moves elsewhere you are SOL.

 

[Charley]

I would agree with that, exception being the generic llll and common acronyms. llll.com's havent been catching up too, so it shows the trend.

People say that LLLL.mobi are worthless......who are people?

 

[thebiffenator]

I only own 2 LLL.mobis both at reg fee, and I got them late in the game in early October. But I think for an LLL.mobi should have signifacant value if it relates(or easy to rember to the enduser) or a branded name,

now for example I am trying so hard to brand Rxd (dot) mobi as being a Pharmacy name Rx (meaning prescription and the D in it being "Drug or Directory." Right now the internet defintion of rxd means received data, but I hope to add my acronym of it

My other LLL.mobi is Zem.mobi which I bought because #1 it was avaiable and #2 my co worker 6 years ago was named Zem (and I had a crush on her), now the acroynym for Zem means "Zero Emmisions", but I am gona try to brand it to something else or mabe develop some kind of enviromental site.

My point of writing this is that the LLL.mobi should have some sigificance for the name to be worth some nice money, but we all know, since it is LLL, it will retain a nice value either way and a great investment. And LLL can be an easiy branded name (especialy if develeloped.)

 

[000]

I would say that the current value of LLL.mobi is fair for a new and unknown extension. Sure, some people do overvalue them, but that happens with every extension...nothing new here.

 

[Charley]

This post should be of interest. I asked a question on Frank Schilling's site regarding the same

Would you consider investing in these for the future, speculating higher values especially for lll, nnn ?

His answer was

***FS*** I'm not a reseller so I don't typically like nnn or lll domains unless they have some cool meaning as a word: faq.net, awd.com, haq.com .. But if you're a seller I could see prices comeing down on those nnn in mobi might actually be better than lll because there are only 1000 of them and numbers are universal across all languages.