discuss .LINK binge continues

[BoGoKing]

".LINK is no worse than .XYZ".....like the .com loyalists despising the .xyz insurgence, the .xyz loyalists despise the .link insurgence.

While most of the really good "single word" .link domains have been registered still a few remain. For example, the day after Thanksgiving I was able to register Thankfulness.link that happens to be no worse than Thankfulness.xyz or Thankfulness.com.

In the way of an update.....domains under management aka DUM has grown from 200,000 to 221,000 since May, and 1,500 of those I've registered. In addition, i have it from some reliable sources that "Good News is Coming"

 

[bmugford]

Rich, for a guy who claims to be a master of naming, your lack of brand name awareness is mind-boggling.

Lemonade - Clearly a play on the expression "When life gives you lemons, make lemonade." Beautiful, clever, and extremely well-suited name for an insurance company.

Amazon - The largest river... the largest rainforest... the largest store. Bezos picked this name to represent being large and diverse. Another great name with a very clear link.

The question asked by @WillW is solid. How on Earth does cheesecake connect with real estate in a clever or brandable way? Could you invite one of the many realtors you know on here to explain why they would love to use it as a brand?

Following the education by @ThatNameGuy of taking unrelated things to create a great brand I have come up with -

CarrotCakeInsurance.com
PoundCakeHealthcare.com

and my personal favorite -
MoltenChocolateCakeBank.com

Best of all, these gems were available to hand reg!!!

Brad

 

[Recons.Com]

Amazon - The largest river... the largest rainforest... the largest store. Bezos picked this name to represent being large and diverse. Another great name with a very clear link.

Another reason for the choice is that Bezos wanted "az" in it. To indicate the complete index of all books (and eventually other products). So much so that there logo is an arrow connecting a to z.

 

[jmcc]

With regards to the keyword "fresh", check out where FreshFruit.com lands. I happen to own FreshFruit.link, but whether it be Pineapples from Hawaii or Oranges from Florida you'll have to admit that "fruit" is a big deal, especially "fresh fruit"

The phrase 'fresh fruit' is popular. However, you seem to be going overboard with the whole Semantic Web idea. I've spent the last few days crunching the keyword data for approximately 788 million domain names. Good domain names tend to be registered across many TLDs.

A lot of TLDs see many one year wonders. These are domain names that are often registered at a discount, not renewed and never reregistered. Approximately 65% of 2021 .LINK registrations will not be renewed. While it is not the worst of the new gTLDs, the problem is that it hasn't the volume, and therfore brand awareness, of new gTLDs like .XYZ or .CLUB. A quick comparison between the 01 December 2017 and 01 December 2022 zone files for .LINK shows that 83.21% of 2017 domain names are not in the 2022 zone file. As a group, 80.88% of New gTLD domain names from December 2017 have been deleted. With .COM, the deletion % is 37.58%. While there has been an ownership change on .LINK, it is not quite in the same league as the legacy gTLDs. It is not as bad as .LOAN which went from 2,163,338 in December 2017 to just 2,247 registrations in 2022.

The last thing I'll share with you is that I just connected via Linkedin with a Jim Monteith whose business title shows he's been 15 years with "Linkedin Automated Outreach" Ironically he reached out to me so I can't tell you where it's headed, but I can assure you that .LINK will have something to do with it. Thanks again jmcc!

Don't think that he is from Linkedin.

The next round of new gTLDs could see Linkedin registering its own gTLD and selling example . linkedin type domain names.

Regards...jmcc

 

[BoGoKing]

Another reason for the choice is that Bezos wanted "az" in it. To indicate the complete index of all books (and eventually other products). So much so that there logo is an arrow connecting a to z.

Ironically prior to JB naming his business Amazon it was to be Cadabra, another three syllable word that I thought made even more sense. I liked hearing the story so much I even registered the domain CadabraGolfcom

Then talking about fun, i even thought of registering CadabraDomains.com, but on second thought i just knew my friends here on NP couldn't handle all the fun and names I bring

 

[bmugford]

A lot of TLDs see many one year wonders. These are domain names that are often registered at a discount, not renewed and never reregistered. Approximately 65% of 2021 .LINK registrations will not be renewed. While it is not the worst of the new gTLDs, the problem is that it hasn't the volume, and therfore brand awareness, of new gTLDs like .XYZ or .CLUB. A quick comparison between the 01 December 2017 and 01 December 2022 zone files for .LINK shows that 83.21% of 2017 domain names are not in the 2022 zone file. As a group, 80.88% of New gTLD domain names from December 2017 have been deleted. With .COM, the deletion % is 37.58%. While there has been an ownership change on .LINK, it is not quite in the same league as the legacy gTLDs. It is not as bad as .LOAN which went from 2,163,338 in December 2017 to just 2,247 registrations in 2022.

Thanks for the detailed statistical analysis. Very interesting.

Man that drop on .loan is incredible.

Brad

 

[jmcc]

Thanks for the detailed statistical analysis. Very interesting.

Man that drop on .loan is incredible.

Brad

Those are the Quick Delta 5 percentages. They measure the number of domain names from the old zone file that are still in the recent zone file. Of the 2M or so domain names from December 2017, only 2,247 of them were left in the December 2022 zone. Most of the registrations in .LOAN back then were on Chinese registrars. Alpnames was there too but about 1.8M were on Alibaba. They were discounted registrations and were not going to renew at full fee. The December 2022 count for .LOAN was 7,213 but the collapse in volume is still amazing.

The plural, .LOANS is an Identity Digital gTLD and didn't use discounting. Of its 3,462 December 2017 regs, 1,879 were still in the December 2022 zone. That's only a 45.73% deletion. The .LOANS count was 5,486.

TLDs are not unchanging monoliths and some of the new gTLDs can go through almost complete zone replacement in a year. That's an indication of speculative registrations and heavy discounting.

The ccTLDs and the legacy gTLDs tend to be better in terms of retention. When used badly, discounting can destroy web usage in a TLD. From running full TLD web usage surveys on the new gTLDs at the time, I think that .LOAN rarely had more than 3K developed websites. The rest were either inactive or Chinese gambling/porn affiliate landers.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Joe N]

Ironically prior to JB naming his business Amazon it was to be Cadabra, another three syllable word that I thought made even more sense. I liked hearing the story so much I even registered the domain CadabraGolfcom

Then talking about fun, i even thought of registering CadabraDomains.com, but on second thought i just knew my friends here on NP couldn't handle all the fun and names I bring

Another winner, Rich. The reason they steered away from Cadabra is because the reference to magic was found to be too obscure. It also sounded like "cadaver" to some people.

 

[bmugford]

Ironically prior to JB naming his business Amazon it was to be Cadabra, another three syllable word that I thought made even more sense. I liked hearing the story so much I even registered the domain CadabraGolfcom

Then talking about fun, i even thought of registering CadabraDomains.com, but on second thought i just knew my friends here on NP couldn't handle all the fun and names I bring

Zero reported sales ever starting with that term. Best of luck!

Brad

 

[Recons.Com]

Zero reported sales ever starting with that term. Best of luck!

Brad

Au contraire, Brad. I think CadabraGolf has some potential. Could be a special golfing bra for ladies. And even for guys measuring the performance, heart beat and other vitals. Heck, it could even tell you when to hit the ball based on the patterns.

 

[BoGoKing]

The phrase 'fresh fruit' is popular. However, you seem to be going overboard with the whole Semantic Web idea. I've spent the last few days crunching the keyword data for approximately 788 million domain names. Good domain names tend to be registered across many TLDs.

A lot of TLDs see many one year wonders. These are domain names that are often registered at a discount, not renewed and never reregistered. Approximately 65% of 2021 .LINK registrations will not be renewed. While it is not the worst of the new gTLDs, the problem is that it hasn't the volume, and therfore brand awareness, of new gTLDs like .XYZ or .CLUB. A quick comparison between the 01 December 2017 and 01 December 2022 zone files for .LINK shows that 83.21% of 2017 domain names are not in the 2022 zone file. As a group, 80.88% of New gTLD domain names from December 2017 have been deleted. With .COM, the deletion % is 37.58%. While there has been an ownership change on .LINK, it is not quite in the same league as the legacy gTLDs. It is not as bad as .LOAN which went from 2,163,338 in December 2017 to just 2,247 registrations in 2022.

Don't think that he is from Linkedin.

The next round of new gTLDs could see Linkedin registering its own gTLD and selling example . linkedin type domain names.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc....i'm not sure what you meant about "going overboard with the whole Semantic Web idea", but i guess you mean by registering hundreds of TLD's similar to FreshFruit.link, FreshStart.link, FreshMade.link etc. If it weren't for the fact they're just $2.39 each, and the single word Premium names like Chocolate.link, Fruit.link and Seniors.link are $118 each i just couldn't afford what I consider a calculated risk vs. reward investment.

Thanks for sharing your stats regarding the .LOAN debacle, and I know the very same thing can happen with .LINK, however having experience in the financial services industry, I see the .loan TLD as being very limiting as compared to the more generic and all encompacing .link TLD. I realized just how fucked up this industry was/is when Blake Janover paid 500K for Home.loans back in 2018, and another friend of mine paid 500K for Vacation.rentals also back in 2018. I met both of these guys at Namescon in Vegas that year, and it was all I could do to keep from telling them how crazy I thought their domain deals were. Even back then I wouldn't have paid more than 2K to at the most 10K for either of those domains.

Also, i don't believe the guy I connected with on Linkedin is actually with Linkedin, but rather he uses Linkedin to promote his own business similar to the way you might use Facebook to promote your business. That said however, I plan to use Linkedin to help promote my .LINK business regardless of whether they endorse me or not.

Finally jmcc, i intend to buy your book Domnomics this weekend and read it next week. Thanks again for everything

 

[dirk]

Another winner, Rich. The reason they steered away from Cadabra is because the reference to magic was found to be too obscure. It also sounded like "cadaver" to some people.

It's not surprising.

The world changed and is continuing to change at a rapid pace.

It's hard for dinosaurs to keep up to speed. When I'm his age I have no doubt I will just be as oblivious.

My dad has been in IT/INET since before the WWW was even a thing, and quite successfully at that. Now my 4 year looks like the master and he's like the apprentice.

It's the circle of life.

 

[BoGoKing]

Another winner, Rich. The reason they steered away from Cadabra is because the reference to magic was found to be too obscure. It also sounded like "cadaver" to some people.

Joe, it's obvious you've never named a business in your life, yet your're so critical of others accomplishments And yes, i know the story behind the "one person" who thought he heard "cadaver" instead of cadabra.

Finally, when you get a chance check out; BobbytheClown.com.....there you may learn something about the business of Magic where the term/word Abracadabra came from

 

[Joe N]

Joe, it's obvious you've never named a business in your life, yet your're so critical of others accomplishments

Your observational skills have failed you, Rich. Check my avatar.

 

[BoGoKing]

It's not surprising.

The world changed and is continuing to change at a rapid pace.

It's hard for dinosaurs to keep up to speed. When I'm his age I have no doubt I will just be as oblivious.

My dad has been in IT/INET since before the WWW was even a thing, and quite successfully at that. Now my 4 year looks like the master and he's like the apprentice.

It's the circle of life.

I don't know how old your Dad is sonny boy, but my partner who helped me start AcSel.org in 1978 had a computer science degree from LSU. When I brought him into the organization the name of our company was "Accounts Receivable Management Corporation" which yours truly changed to AcSel in 1982.

Regardless of your rhetoric, I'm just as creative and capable of starting and naming businesses as I was 50 years ago. In fact.....I'm Better

 

[BoGoKing]

Your observational skills have failed you, Rich. Check my avatar.

Avatar? What's that...a TLD?

But since I have your attention I'll share with you and other followers that the new owners at .LINK have recently finished their new pricing of "in house" domains that heretofore were very affordable. Take for example: camping.link......i could have purchased it back in July for $118, and it would have renewed for $118. However today it's priced @ $4,130 and it renews for $4,130. Unfortunately i missed the boat for camping.link, but fortunately i'd landed over 1500 .link domains since the price increases.

As for those of my friends who own domains like Free.link, Sex.link and Ads.link, hang in there for I believe 2023 is going to be a good year

 

[dirk]

I don't know how old your Dad is sonny boy, but my partner who helped me start AcSel.org in 1978 had a computer science degree from LSU. When I brought him into the organization the name of our company was "Accounts Receivable Management Corporation" which yours truly changed to AcSel in 1982.

Regardless of your rhetoric, I'm just as creative and capable of starting and naming businesses as I was 50 years ago. In fact.....I'm Better

You're missing the point Richard. Naming is easy, being able to obtain the best suitable domain for the brand is a totally different game. It happens to be what we're discussing.

If it's not possible to obtain the .com or a decent alternative, go back to the drawing board and come up with a different brand. Don't pivot to a random TLD which happens to be available.

As for acsel... You didn't own the .com did you?

 

[Beezy]

Are these .link domains listed for sale yet or still not pointed to landers?

 

[domain hacks]

Who uses Linkedin these days?

 

[BoGoKing]

Are these .link domains listed for sale yet or still not pointed to landers?

If you'd been paying attention I said earlier in this thread they'd be pointed to landers by the end of this month. Stay tuned

 

[bmugford]

Who uses Linkedin these days?

My account has a few thousand connections, but I don't use it much.

How @ThatNameGuy expects to leverage LinkedIn into selling .link domains I have no idea.

Everything is so broad, without any specifics.
The whole idea seems so implausible.

Brad