.tv Just got off the phone with ENOM (INFO )

[equity78]

First off I called because I got an email saying reminder there is a .tv renewal promotion, running til Nov 30,2007 save up to 50 % off.

I think cool, go into my account it is the same $24.95 price I regged them for in the first place. So I call the number in the email Elida Flores, very nice and very helpful person.

She says that is half off, I said no I always pay $24.95. Apparently the price for renewals is going up Dec 1 to like $35. And the $24.95 price for new is only good til DEC 31 2007. Then it going up unless they negotiate pricing.

She said ENOM has sold more .tv in 6 months then Verisign has since they bought the .tv corp combined. (Non Premium)

That renewals for .com run at 58 to 66 % where for .tv they are running at 75 to 80 %.

We discussed revenue on Channel Me and it was along the lines of something we discussed way back about Britney having an extra $20 for the month. She said we are not a traffic company it was meant to be something extra in your stocking. She also said not PPC but CPM, I said that's what I thought but the one thing about staying on the site factors in and she said it is sort of like a hodge podge, she said Google had some involvement bringing the advertisers to the table.

She said they were clear with Verisign about Premium renewals never going up while registered by the registrant.
T & C revised
These terms supercede any previous agreement you may have regarding your .TV domain registration. In addition to the terms set forth above, the following terms shall apply to registrants of .TV domain names. Premium .TV domains, shall be determined and designated Premium names by the Registry, and such Premium names are non-transferable to another registrar. Registration prices for Premium .TV domain names may vary. In addition, renewal prices for Premium .TV names may be different from the original registration price. Your premium name renewal fee will be no greater than your registration fee as long as all of the following occur 1) you renew the name, 2) VeriSign maintains its current .tv agreement with Tuvalu and 3) eNom maintains its current .tv agreement with VeriSign. eNom commits to not increase renewal fees above the registration fee for as long as the fees we pay do not increase. For .tv premium names that are not renewed (for names that are expired), eNom reserves the right to raise or lower the price of the registration fee before making it available for re-registration by someone else. The registration period for a .TV domain name is for one-year. Your registration of a domain name in the .TV top-level domain is subject to policies established or revised from time to time by the registry for such .TV domain name (".TV TLD Registry"), in its capacity as the registry for a .TV domain. The .TV's registry's current policies (".TV Registry Policies") are available for you to review at the registry web site. You agree to be bound by and comply with the applicable Registry Policies, including amendments and modifications thereto, with respect to your .TV domain Name registration. Such policies shall not alter the terms and conditions of this Agreement. To the extent there is a conflict between the Registry policies and the terms of this Agreement, the terms of this Service Agreement shall prevail. You agree that the .TV Registry has the right to enforce the .TV Registry Policies.


Interesting line she mentioned Godaddy and the sale was done to try to hurt ENOM as they saw ENOM gaining share with .tv. Another interesting line was that they focus on engineering not marketing. She said we are number 2 and do not spend money on marketing different from Godaddy who is a master marketer. She said they are about engineers giving resellers the tools to be successful.

 

[heroes]

She says that is half off, I said no I always pay $24.95. Apparently the price for renewals is going up Dec 1 to like $35. And the $24.95 price for new is only good til DEC 31 2007. Then it going up unless they negotiate pricing.

$35!!!!!!

Thanks for all the info in the post Equity - I just highlighted what stood out!

 

[DnEbook]

like many ..... i will not register as many there as i had planned ....hope they figure out this is a bad move !!

 

[-OutlawBiker-]

Maybe I'm getting old, but this sounds confusing.

Your premium name renewal fee will be no greater than your registration fee as long as all of the following occur 1) you renew the name, 2) VeriSign maintains its current .tv agreement with Tuvalu and 3) eNom maintains its current .tv agreement with VeriSign. eNom commits to not increase renewal fees above the registration fee for as long as the fees we pay do not increase.

If she says the renewal fees ARE going up on January 1, that would mean that Verislime has increased the price to Enom, right?

I don't buy all the "engineering not marketing" hoey by the way.

 

[.tv]

Will the new renewal fees applicable to names registered prior to January 2008?

 

[deb]

so i guess this means renew before dec 1?

PS Thanks Equity :tu:

 

[equity78]

OUTLAW that was for Premium what she told me was going up was non premium. Here is the thing she was very nice but confusing on the pricing issue. I said I have always regged for $24.95 and she said that was a promo not the November promo but another promo and I was like I have always regged domains for $24.95 with my ENOM.tv account. She said they were even getting confused with the ENOM CENTRAL accounts. She said enom.tv got a better price because they came from www.tv but then they eventually told people to open an ENOM.tv account to get the better pricing on .tv. I said they were first $19.99 with a higher renewal fee then they became $24.95 She says it was a promo, I never did see it as a promo so it is confusing.

 

[rodash]

Enom just doesn't listen to its customers

I think Enom having a swipe at GoDaddy smacks a bit of hypocrisy. To me, Enom's policy of making you top up your account and charging a 3% top up fee smacks of greed. You don't have those constraints or added fees at GoDaddy.

I used to swear by Bulk Register (having been with them since the late '90s), but the change-over to Enom has left a bitter taste in my mouth. I reckon they've got a lot of work to do to get my trust back.

I think the first thing they have to tackle is their propensity to squeeze more and more money out of their customers. The second thing they need to tackle is the renewal fees associated with premium names. To me these fees are exhorbitant and outrageous. I know Equity keeps saying that people purchased these names knowing the registrar's premium policy, but I think he's missing the bigger picture. Come May next year it's possible that a lot of these names will drop. They may drop because people won't be able to pay to renew them and they won't be able to offload them in the forum or on Sedo. If this happens we risk seeing the bottom fall out of premium names. If a lot of names do drop, they'll go back on the Enom shelf at reduced prices, along with the 60,000 or more names sitting there now unsold. (There's some great premium names there but people just aren't buying them because the of the ridiculous renewal fees.) We could have a situation that by this time next year we could have a vast number of "premium" names for sale at Enom, and that will deflate the market. Eventually Enom would have to lower the price of premiums and drops substantially in order to sell them. I don't think that would be in anyone's interest, especially not Enom's. Under this scenario they would lose out because they wouldn't get renewal fees of any description while the names remain unsold. And just think, if people won't buy the names that are there now why will they race in and buy ones that drop? They wouldn't - the stack would keep getting higher. That state of play could go on for years, if not forever.

Wouldn't it be better to substantially reduce the renewal prices of premiums now and give people the chance to renew their names, rather than let them drop? That way people may hold on to them and that would be in everyone's interest, including Enom's.




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[htmlindex]

So, non-premuim renewals will be $35...that sucks. Any other companies out there that will have .tv renewals for around the $25 mark?

 

[Makis.TV]

AGAIN, they sound too confusing to deal with.

Do they have a solid plan to follow or they make up things as they grow?

 

[.tv]

.tv will be a huge failure if they confuse the endusers with complicated renewals.

 

[equity78]

I know Equity keeps saying that people purchased these names knowing the registrar's premium policy, but I think he's missing the bigger picture.

Let me Make CRYSTAL CLEAR RODASH I am missing no picture, Verisign sets the pricing and they are not interested in your opinion or mine about premium pricing.
Secondly if they drop they drop, no it does not affect everyone as a blanket. An end user interested in SIX.tv could care less about SEVEN.tv their name or brand is not SEVEN its SIX. AND again what I said was premium pricing is not going away whether anyone likes it or not, it is VERISIGN's Company and they can price however they like. To keep complaining about premium pricing is mental masturbation IMO getting worked up with no payoff time maybe better spent developing a .tv. Just like when I See ridiculous prices in the marketplace, BOTTOM LINE the person is the legal registrant of the domain and can attempt to sell it for whatever they like same as VERISIGN. People can register or not its a subjective business that's all about choice. ENOM has sold more .tv than anyone and Verisign is not interested in their opinion on lowering premiums. So if people deal in premiums great if they don't that's great to. Verisign also sits with the added bonus they park their premiums and are well aware of what they make, when I used to speak to Scott Higgason he could tell me the traffic on any premium .tv I asked about, so they are making $$$ while sitting.

Perfect example SIX.tv Verisign offered for $500 so I paid $500 a year on a domain that made $2500 a year in parking Verisign would have been better off not selling me the domain.

I do not like Verisign at all but bottom line not opinion BUT FACT, they own the .tv corporation and no one else does. SO I guess people can invest in the extension or not, I don't think they care one way of the other as shown by their attitude toward everyone else in the market.

 

[Brokering.TV]

I have a question I have been trying to get answered. Since the status of the domain is up to the registrar (i.e.-they can mark it premium) can a non-premium change to a premium if it continues to be in the hands of the original owner??

Meanings if I have owned the name for a few years at $25-$35/year can the name eventually marked as a premium, and cause my my registration to go up to $1000 a year??

If so- I am going to be moving my names elsewhere, despite more expensive reg fees. $40/yr is a hell of alot better than the possibility of thousands!!

Thanks for your help!

 

[StoneRoses]

I have a question I have been trying to get answered. Since the status of the domain is up to the registrar (i.e.-they can mark it premium) can a non-premium change to a premium if it continues to be in the hands of the original owner??

Meanings if I have owned the name for a few years at $25-$35/year can the name eventually marked as a premium, and cause my my registration to go up to $1000 a year??

If so- I am going to be moving my names elsewhere, despite more expensive reg fees. $40/yr is a hell of alot better than the possibility of thousands!!

Thanks for your help!

No it can't, the only way this can happen is if you let it expire and then they can then reclassify it as a premium.
If you keep renewing it then they can not make it a premium.

Hope this helps

Cheers

 

[equity78]

As long as you keep the registration up you will be fine, no premium renewal.

 

[smashfactory]

i would imagine someone thru out the year will run a sale or special- just got to take advantage of them when they happen-

thanks for the info ray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheBulldog]

Let me summarize: "Screw Enom"

They obviously do NOT care about domainers, they are gearing up to be a myspace, and are wanting to capitalize on the chewing gum crowd.

 

[MicroGuy]

This is Kevin's (NP member) full-length interview with Richard Rosenblatt, founder and CEO or Demand Media:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIoivQloPys

A couple of interesting comments made by Richard during the interview:

1. Richard mentions Namepros twice during the interview saying that he "will remember" that Namepros members were some of the first to recognize .TVs potential.

2. He mentions CURRENT.TV during the interview.

3. He promotes the $24.99 pricing of .TVs (bundled with social networking tools).

4. He encourages anyone who has concerns to contact him directly and provides his personal email address at Demand Media.

5. Richard says that he hopes .TV will become the second largest TLD behind .com.​

Update: Since that interview, CURRENT.TV has left for .COM, and now the $24.99 pricing seems to be in question.

In order for .TV to become "the second largest TLD behind .com" standard renewal pricing must be more competitive with other TLDs and premium pricing will require additional transparency.

Let me summarize: "Screw Enom"

They obviously do NOT care about domainers, they are gearing up to be a myspace, and are wanting to capitalize on the chewing gum crowd.

Tried to rep you for this but the system thinks I'm too fond of you.

 

[TheWatcher]

About the promo.

The first promo was set for $24.95 'till Dec31.2007
The 2nd promo was set for $19.99 'till Nov30.2007

So if your cost is $19.99 today, after Nov.30 this will go back to $24.95 promo 'till Dec31.2007 then to the actual registration of .TV for non-premium. I think it will cost you $35 for retail but some ETP provides lower registration cost.

Regarding your domain non-premium renewal, it will stay as non-premium as long as you renew it.

Hope this help.
Em

 

[TheBulldog]

Out of curiosity, here statement seems to imply that their contract with Verisign is coming up for renewal. And it ALSO, if you read into it, looks like they are nervous that said contract could also be coming up for grabs and GoDaddy is and has made moves and noise that they would like to take it over.

I, and this is MY OPINION, think that the extension would be much better handled by Bob Parsons. Mainly because Godaddy is a marketer, and I would like to see the tld actively marketed versus the basically silent stance of doing nothing with it.