Invalid Whois Reports- snatching someone else's domain

[emega]

I currently have my eye out for a domain which I believe has false whois information. I have set up an invalid whois report today in hope that I can acquire this domain.

Does anyone know the procedure/how invalid whois report works?
i.e. if the domain is determined as being invalid do I receive this domain/get first "dibs" on the domain since I set up the report, or does the domain simply get released back to the public, so the first one who sees it and grabs it, gets it?

I think that the subject of "invalid whois reports on domain names" is not much talked about, and never the less I think it is something very important.

P.S. I am a domain investor.


Come on... nobody here knows the answer???

 

[-PS-]

I currently have my eye out for a domain which I believe has false whois information. I have set up an invalid whois report today in hope that I can acquire this domain.

Does anyone know the procedure/how invalid whois report works?
i.e. if the domain is determined as being invalid do I receive this domain/get first "dibs" on the domain since I set up the report, or does the domain simply get released back to the public, so the first one who sees it and grabs it, gets it?

I think that the subject of "invalid whois reports on domain names" is not much talked about, and never the less I think it is something very important.

P.S. I am a domain investor.


Come on... nobody here knows the answer???

i think everyone is off checking to make sure there whois information is correct :P

 

[mis_chiff]

I currently have my eye out for a domain which I believe has false whois information. I have set up an invalid whois report today in hope that I can acquire this domain.

Does anyone know the procedure/how invalid whois report works?
i.e. if the domain is determined as being invalid do I receive this domain/get first "dibs" on the domain since I set up the report, or does the domain simply get released back to the public, so the first one who sees it and grabs it, gets it?

I think that the subject of "invalid whois reports on domain names" is not much talked about, and never the less I think it is something very important.

P.S. I am a domain investor.


Come on... nobody here knows the answer???

How do you find out if the whois is invalid ?
Without actually knowing information about the person?

 

[emega]

The number is not a valid number.

 

[mis_chiff]

I never realized the phone number had to be valid
as long as everything else was correct - what happens if
you don't have a home phone?

 

[emega]

LOL. Its a secret, nobody knows anything about invalid whois reports. Its insane. :]

 

[Lasher]

I currently have my eye out for a domain which I believe has false whois information. I have set up an invalid whois report today in hope that I can acquire this domain.

Does anyone know the procedure/how invalid whois report works?
i.e. if the domain is determined as being invalid do I receive this domain/get first "dibs" on the domain since I set up the report, or does the domain simply get released back to the public, so the first one who sees it and grabs it, gets it?

I think that the subject of "invalid whois reports on domain names" is not much talked about, and never the less I think it is something very important.

P.S. I am a domain investor.


Come on... nobody here knows the answer???

Either way it's a pretty scummy way of trying to acquire someone's domain. Hey let's take this a step further and find a domain we want WITH a valid phone number, start to harass the owner via phone and when they change it to an invalid one try to grab the domain. :bah:

 

[mis_chiff]

LOL. Its a secret, nobody knows anything about invalid whois reports. Its insane. :]

It certainly must be a secret!
A loophole way for people to scoop domains.....hmmm
somehow that doesn't surprise me!

Where do we get the correct info from?

 

[BMFX]

don't mind me but isn't that a kinda cheap way to get a domain?

I honestly think you schould try to find the owner and e-mail him and pay him the real value of his domain.

but don't mind me.

- John

 

[emega]

I agree that it is a scummy/bastard/cheap thing to do, but the person does not have an email, phone, no do they even have a site up on the name. They are not profiting from the site by posting links on it either, and I really wanted the name and it was my only option.

Someone who harasses an owner of a domain by calling them all the time can, choose threaten to call the police if the calling does not stop, or they can put whois privacy on the name.

 

[DN Tycoon]

I currently have my eye out for a domain which I believe has false whois information. I have set up an invalid whois report today in hope that I can acquire this domain.

Does anyone know the procedure/how invalid whois report works?
i.e. if the domain is determined as being invalid do I receive this domain/get first "dibs" on the domain since I set up the report, or does the domain simply get released back to the public, so the first one who sees it and grabs it, gets it?

I think that the subject of "invalid whois reports on domain names" is not much talked about, and never the less I think it is something very important.

P.S. I am a domain investor.


Come on... nobody here knows the answer???

This is just plain shady that you would even consider trying to take advantage of another domainer/person. If you are a domain investor and have reached this low to acquire domain names then maybe you should get out of the business. You should be ashamed you even thought about this

 

[emega]

Its legal. ICANN allows it. I agree its B.S.

You should know that they give you 30 days to respond, and fix up the false information. But I agree its a bastard thing to do. But hey, the truth is that they are not using the name. They are not contactable, and they have false whois. If its legal it OK.

Its a Rockefeller thing to do. You all heard of Rockefellers standard oil gaint corporation right?

People hated Rockefeller, and called him a scum bag, but... Rockefeller's response was that "not once did I break a law, I just went around the laws"

Its funny, because alot of people think its a real nasty thing to do. Even my godaddy representative told me "you better watch out who's toes you stand on"

 

[briman1970]

It is not a scummy thing to do if you are honestly interested in buying the name and their whois info is intentionally misleading. In addition, you must exhaust every possible method to try to contact the owner, including snail-mail, fax, and contacting the registrar to let them know you are trying to reach the owner to make an offer on the name.

I think making sure you have good whois data makes it likely that someone will get in touch with you to try to buy your domain before it drops (especially if it's a premium name). I feel like getting in touch with the owner will either produce a sale or remind them that they are letting a good name drop. If they dont respond to any of my attempts to contact them, I feel like it is justifiable to report their domain. There's just one problem...

It won't make any difference in the world if you report a name. Virtually all registrars will not let the name drop naturally. They will (most likely) put the name on hold and when it expires, they will auction it off to the highest bidder through their auction system or through one of their auction partners, such as Snapnames, TDNAM, Pool, or whoever.

I've reported several names after repeatedly trying to contact the owners to make an honest offer. I made reports to both ICANN and the registrar in every case. Some of the names were put on hold and then later put up at Snap or Pool. Some of the names were never put on hold and went through the entire expiration process, but of course, still ended up at Snap or Pool.

NOT ONE OF THE NAMES WAS RENEWED BY IT'S OWNER.

Get this... one of the domains (mysteriously) never went through auction at Snapnames, even though it was 4-5 months past it's expire date at NetSol (which I also reported to ICANN and the registrar), and one day, it was transferred to a completely different owner and registrar! I monitored the name almost daily BTW. The bastards just decided to keep the name and sell it to a private party!

Reporting invalid whois data is a total waste of time if you're looking to try to "grab" a name before the big bastards seize it.

 

[emega]

Wow. So thats the answer, it expires, that means I have a shot at it, if I use godaddy's backordering serivice. Great!

And thank you for unlocking the secret!

I was honostly interested in buying the name. So i agree that it was not such a scummy thing to do, but it certainly wasn't a nice thing to do either. The owners had this nice since 1996! Its a pretty valuable name that they have abandoned, and that I really want.

 

[briman1970]

Wow. So thats the answer, it expires, that means I have a shot at it, if I use godaddy's backordering serivice. Great!

And thank you for unlocking the secret!

I was honostly interested in buying the name. So i agree that it was not such a scummy thing to do, but it certainly wasn't a nice thing to do either. The owners had this nice since 1996! Its a pretty valuable name that they have abandoned, and that I really want.

Who told you that? You don't have a chance at getting the name through GD's backorder service (which is total crap). If it's a good name it will go to Godaddy's TDNAM auction system, even if you place a backorder on the name. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

 

[emega]

Wrong, it does not ever go to tdnam if it was not registered at godaddy. In addition, if you back order the domain before or during the redemption period then it does not go to tdnam either.

 

[briman1970]

Wrong, it does not ever go to tdnam if it was not registered at godaddy. In addition, if you back order the domain before or during the redemption period then it does not go to tdnam either.

I assumed the name was at GoDaddy if you are considering using GoDaddy's backordering service, which none of us would ever consider using if the name isn't reg'd at GD.

Since the name is not registered at GoDaddy, you have about a 0.00000001% chance of a successful backorder through them (just an estimate). Being that old, I'd guess the name is at eNom or Network Solutions and will most likely go to Pool or Snapnames.

 

[Dave_Z]

Get this... one of the domains (mysteriously) never went through auction at Snapnames, even though it was 4-5 months past it's expire date at NetSol (which I also reported to ICANN and the registrar), and one day, it was transferred to a completely different owner and registrar! I monitored the name almost daily BTW. The bastards just decided to keep the name and sell it to a private party!

It's possible it was never auctioned because of this:

http://www.networksolutions.com/help/index.jsp?viewpage=category.php?id=89

We will not attempt to complete a Direct Transfer of a domain name registration after expiration if the customer to whom the domain name is registered has notified us by e-mail at [email protected] stating that he or she does not want us to proceed with such a transfer. In this case, the domain name registration will be deleted.

More or less here's what can possibly happen:

1. The registrar receives the invalid WHOIS report.

2. The registrar tries to notify the registrant and contacts via email at least.
Whether they'll do so via phone, fax, and snail mail depends on their resources
to do so.

3. If no response after a period of time, they'll suspend the domain name. This
is to hopefully get the registrant's and/or contacts' attention.

The registrar should delete the domain name if they don't get a response after
another period of time despite above. But their service agreement can give
you hint/s what they'll do next.

On the side, I've written on my blog about an extreme case about this. The
registrar deleted the domain name, but decided not to redeem it because it
was reported for such twice in the same year.

 

[DN Tycoon]

If they dont respond to any of my attempts to contact them, I feel like it is justifiable to report their domain.


I've reported several names after repeatedly trying to contact the owners to make an honest offer. I made reports to both ICANN and the registrar in every case. Some of the names were put on hold and then later put up at Snap or Pool.

Wow, I can't believe what I am reading in this thread. Backstabbing someone to get a domain name is never alright no matter if it's lawful or not. You contact people and if they do not respond to your request you turn them in now that is an arrogant thing to do. It's people like you and others in this thread that cause trouble for the rest of us, have you ever stopped to think that maybe the person moved and just has not updated the info yet or the person is having some personal problems and just hasn't had the time to update the info or respond back and now you are causing them even more problems? Yet another sad day in the domain name industry

 

[emega]

Thats why they have 30 days to update the correct info.