In 2014 over a 1000 new domain extensions will be available.

[buyresaledomains]

What does that do to this biz? Does it make the .com even that much better? Or obsolete? As of now extensions have no bearing on search results. But what happens when a domain is "kendras.daycare". Will it impact Serps then?

 

[mjnels]

there is no precedent for whats about to happen. its comparing something tiny to something enormous. i think a lot of you are underestimating the publicity these things are likely to get when the balls starts rolling..

the publicity possibly just increased at least 100fold. those are a lot of factors and unknown with different registrars/registries operating these things that make using past TLD's as some sort of precedent a bad idea just because of the scale of it this time.

the choice between 10 and 1,000+ is a big difference. the few TLD's out now dont offer much choice of words. when theres a .whatever for most kinds of words that is a completely different world that just simply: .tel .mobi .pro .biz

i really doubt its going away or gonna "die on the vine" this time.. the more of them that continue to be released, the less weird it will be to use one of them, the stigma attached to using "something else" will vanish eventually.

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There were over 50 million new websites created in 2012. How many took hold with you? I wonder if you would notice specific websites if only 1 was built each year? I bet you would at least check it out, maybe give it a try! But 50 million all at once...no chance of paying attention to many of those. In this world no attention from users equals doom. This flood of new extensions, well, you'll see...

irrelevant, they still bought a domain. you keep thinking like a domainer like which one of the 1,000 of them is gonna be the "winning team" and with so many "competing" none of them can "win."

probably 10,000,000+ new businesses were formed last year and i dont know any of those either... again, irrelevant. they're still businesses operating.

 

[Keith]

irrelevant, they still bought a domain.

Yup, just about all bought a .com domain when they had many other options. That's not me thinking like a domainer, that's businesses thinking of the best way to succeed!

 

[mjnels]

Yup, just about all bought a .com domain when they had many other options. That's not me thinking like a domainer, that's businesses thinking of the best way to succeed!

no, its businesses going with the flow of whats normal on the internet. its all good until that tiny .info .pro .biz .mobi puddle that was in your backyard turns into a river.

 

[Kate]

...
the more of them that continue to be released, the less weird it will be to use one of them, the stigma attached to using "something else" will vanish eventually.

I am not saying new TLDs are not going to sell. But what I think is that there will be a shortage of serious development on them. For example, .co domains are doing fine today, even .biz has some volume. But they are not perceived as good extensions for high-profile projects. This is where the stigma comes from. The millions of regs do not carry a lot of prestige and credibility in proportion.
Admittedly, this is based on what we know today. But this not just about numbers. On paper .eu is a success if you only look at the millions of regs but in reality it is a failure.
If all extensions were perceived to be equal then yes the days of .com would be numbered.

You can look at new TLDs as disruptive technology but there is no first mover advantage really. Quite the opposite.

 

[mjnels]

If all extensions were perceived to be equal then yes the days of .com would be numbered.

not sure how long itll take but i think it will be eventually .COM and everything else... "everything else" today is perceived pretty negatively. i think the shift will happen based on the incredible volume coming at us and then "everything else" will be OK.

i dont think .COM will be seen as "uncool" because of all that though..

You can look at new TLDs as disruptive technology but there is no first mover advantage really. Quite the opposite.

im with you there. im just saying all this "die on the vine" talk some people got in their head is nuts. dotAERO hasnt even "died on the vine"

 

[McDuke]

i know you're being sarcastic.. but really, what is wrong with the existence of a TLD called .lighting ?

is it because its so specific? so "narrow" as domainers like to point out.

cause thats the idea. to be somewhat limited. and have thousands of "limited" (aka specific) options... thousands of "narrow, limited" options translates into UNLIMITED. its pretty easy to understand.

people that think .web is gonna be "one of the good ones" are probably wrong and dont even realize why. dotWEB is outnumbered by an unlimited number of other words that actually have meaning besides the desire to be .NET's 2nd cousins half-sister.

think.of.every.single.dot.com.in.existance..

chicagolighting.com, bestlighting.com, discountlighting.com, antiquelighting.com and on and on..

all those domains have narrow uses. nothing changes, just where the dot is. pick any subject and a small group of "narrow use domains" exist. many domainers want SOOOOO bad for one of these to fail and disappear so they can say SEE ONE BAD APPLE SPOILS THE WHOLE BUNCH. they're waiting for it but it isnt likely to happen that way because as HeyNow pointed out there will be registrars already operating and wont cost them anything to add it to the mix.

also, even if 100 of them go bankrupt do you really think the public follows this crap like us dorks on here? seriously, domainers already preach that the public dont know a lot about domains so why in the HELL are they suddenly going to take an interest of which registries are failing.

they're not gonna care or know.

I'm sure there be will lighting stores wanting .lighting but I doubt they will leave their .com to do so. I think .lighting has a very narrow window and I am surprised it was accepted as a new extension.

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Not sure what the point is but just look at .mobi, .co, .xxx....still have many names shelved. Must be hoping for big offers that will never come

.xxx is going to be huge, the domainers and industry guys who have adult portfolios don't want .xxx around so they are ignoring its existence. I think .xxx grew from .01% to .03% last year.

Talking to registrars .xxx is selling and adult shop owners etc are buying up names now.

I will say I dropped 10 of my 20 .xxx because of the registration costs. But I will be holding onto my 10 for when the extension is the norm.

Wait for it.

 

[JB Lions]

In a nutshell, endusers, people that actually make sites, know a little something about marketing etc. are just smarter that most domainers. Let the domainers hold the bag on all those crappy extensions. It's actually comical to me seeing some domainers with domain blogs actually spending money on .xyz domains. Even old timers, people who should know better fall for that old gold rush marketing/dreams. It's going to be fun watch the craziness ensue.

 

[Keith]

.xxx is going to be huge

That's really funny

I'm sitting on flicks.xxx with zero interest. Every .xxx even close to this is reserved or sold for 5 figures. Interest is 8-X

 

[McDuke]

Why you should ask your self.

It is because end users don't want adult sites that can be filtered so easily. In time i think adult sites will be forced into .xxx .sex etc.

Also end users and domainers who own valuable .com portfolios are doing everything in their power to discredit .xxx.

From the chart I saw .xxx purchases are increasing year to year.

Once .xxx becomes known to the general public Joe Blow will be typing in .xxx. It's just going to take 10 years. So if your spending 700$ a year to keep these you have to hope your going to get a decent return down the road. If it doesn't happen then you lose that gamble.

It's only been a couple years for .xxx, and with all the new gtdls it gives .xxx even more legitimacy.

Regarding Flicks.xxx I think if you had, Film.xxx, Cam.xxx, Video.xxx, Movie.xxx you would have had offers. Flicks is slang and not readily used. Just look at the search results yourself at Google.

I have some really good names too but until the general public start going to .xxx the resale of these domains will be tough. This is a long term investment not a quick flip.

Regarding the new GTdls some will do very well I'm thinking, .shop, .menu, .web, etc

 

[Kate]

Also end users and domainers who own valuable .com portfolios are doing everything in their power to discredit .xxx.

Please explain why I (or any other person) would have an incentive to discredit .xxx.
First of all, it's a niche (adult) TLD. Whether it takes off or not has no impact on mainstream websites in the mainstream extensions. I am not into adult, so I don't care about .xxx.

But .xxx is a massive failure anyway, the vast majority of .xxx domains are idle and the registration stats are not rosy at all.

From the chart I saw .xxx purchases are increasing year to year.

You may have noticed that the few sales taking place are always made by the same 'person': the registry. Here lies the 'opportunity'.

It's just going to take 10 years. So if your spending 700$ a year to keep these you have to hope your going to get a decent return down the road. If it doesn't happen then you lose that gamble.

That's what it is, gambling. Your strategy is based on 'hope' that .xxx is going to perform any better than other newer extensions.
There is always a risk with domains, but speculating on .xxx is clearly the high-risk route. And it's clear that new extensions are going to claim plenty of victims because history always repeats itself.

 

[McDuke]

I'm going to sit on ten xxx names and gamble that in 10 years there is interest. If I can sell one along the way then perfect, if not then oh well.

I also plan on buying 10 new Gtdl names and see what they do over time. I will develop these.

I am new to domaining / web development so I can't sell off killer names I picked up dirt cheap 15 years ago, or develop some amazing site to flip. I have to speculate and build / learn over time. Some of you guys have been around awhile, I value your opinions.

Where will the internet be in 20 years? In 40 years will kids be like wow grandpa you are old you still call everything .com.

I'm guessing 70% of the baby boomer population now doesn't really operate computers "maybe for an email etc", but their offspring "Millennials" 1982-2000 are in an echo boom and when they are 40-50 all the population will be linked in.

How will this change the internet? More traffic, more use, more commerce? Where will technology be, any current trends?

The increasing tech savvy population will generate more clicks, more traffic, more revenue and more value down the road. There will be a demand for specific Gtdls. Just which ones is the question.

People who buy pizza.menu or buy.lighting are going to want PizzaMenu.com and BuyLighting.com. These new Gtdls will increase the value of mid-upper end .com's. But will decrease the value of lower tier TheVeryBestPizza.com's etc.

Maybe I'll be lucky to snag a Gtdl gem that fetches a very good ROI.

 

[hawkeye]

..

I am new to domaining / web development....

I'm guessing....

Maybe I'll be lucky...

sadly -
The Song Remains the Same.

 

[McDuke]

..


sadly -
The Song Remains the Same.

 

[mjnels]

im going to open a shop and sell meow mix.

 

[Keith]

im going to open a shop and sell meow mix.

If it was between the meow mix or running a new tld like mostnewdotswillbe.bankrupt, the choice is easy. Here kitty kitty!

 

[McDuke]

you guys are funny,

So seriously why do you guys hate all Gtdl's?

Is .com the only worth while domain? I think .com is huge but curious to hear from experienced guys why they think extension like xxx, menu, shop, web, are garbage.

Any comments regarding the future of the internet? 20yrs from now what do you think?

:cy:

 

[Keith]

Is .com the only worth while domain?

Yes, unless you own uber premiums in a select few extensions.

Think now. We're almost 30 years into the future after the first domain was registered. Why is .com the clear king when others have had plenty of time to take the thrown? Now folks really think a flood will change business as usual :bah: Floods change things for brief periods and then they're gone :bingo:

 

[Kate]

So seriously why do you guys hate all Gtdl's?

We don't hate them but we like to poke fun at them and mock their total lack of relevance :talk:
The end users shun the extensions. They have shunned everything that was brought to them after 2000 roughly. We are just domainers, we do not dictate the trends. If I want to make sales, I will have to own good domains, in the extensions that end users are actually buying. Follow the market and adjust accordingly. As simple as that.

But domainers are always the first to buy new extensions when they are released - and get burned. You certainly cannot say that domainers are haters conspiring to sink new extensions, at least not all of them. Some registries would be in bad shape without domainers

Is .com the only worth while domain? I think .com is huge but curious to hear from experienced guys why they think extension like xxx, menu, shop, web, are garbage.

.xxx is already live and we can affirm it's garbage and a massive failure. The vast majority of the regs are reserved domains. That is without counting the names that are parked and not developed into meaningful websites. .xxx is the digital equivalent of a waste dump and suggests that we already have too many extensions.

Personally I think the new TLDs are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. There has been a marked shift toward ccTLDs that began years ago, and while .com remains the king gTLDs in general have become less dominant.
In my ccTLD there are plenty of domains that are available in .com. That's a reality in developed ccTLD markets, many end users don't even bother about the .com unless they are big enough or do business internationally. So if they don't need a .com for their business you bet they couldn't care less about .stuff or .sucker... end users carry on with their business and don't pay attention to the background noise like domainers do.

 

[mjnels]

lots of products we're sold are solutions to problems that dont exist though. some break through the ice and stick.

and anyway, its to what degree does the "problem" exist in this situation. gTLD offer some benefits (and cons right now in 2013) but when the benefits are listed the dough mainers ignore them and say "nah, competition with pricing is not a benefit"

yes it is.

"oh, well, the best ones will be reserverd by the registry anyway..."

well, im going to go out on a limb and suggest that with this many registries operating, even if they have a domain "reserved" and a fixed price set - you can probably contact them and negotiate.

probably not during the "hype stage" though... thats gonna have to ride out first then registries will get connected with real pricing and have their finger on the pulse of reality - eventually this will have to happen..

 

[McDuke]

Ok I see where your coming from.

I think it is too early to know what xxx is going to do down the road.

all i know is;

1) end users like the .com extension still because it's used more and is more accessible to clients. I was told end user interest is growing for .xxx.

2) sales are increasing from graphs I saw.

3) less security issues from what I read.

4) Appealing because as a xxx owner you get to protect your .xxx name from the other adult extensions .porn, .sex, .adult etc. A owner can either have the same names taken out of the new extensions or register them.

5) easy to type

6) memorable brand

7) Is there potential for adult sites to be forced into their own extensions? not sure about this...

I agree that "some" of the new Gtdl's are extremely specific and I also will be staying away.

I'll leave it at that.