IDN poll

[Vimal]

Hello Everyone,

What do you namepros members think ? Is IDN hot or not ?

* The buzz word in the domain market offlate has been IDNs.

* DCG (dotcomgod) has bought close to 5000 IDN domains.

* There are some big speculators with loads of IDNs.

* Dedicated forums for IDNers like idnforums.com

* Dedicated tools from IDNtools.net

* In the last 6 months a lot of IDNs have been picked in various languages.



*** Well if you think it is hot why are the namepros staff not up to having a dedicated sub forum for IDNs.

P.S. If there has been a similar post, moderators can move this one to junk.

 

[Bramiozo]

WHAT I don't UNderstand about IDNERS and I believe in IDN, IS why are you telling me I know you don't care about me or anyone else here who is an IDNER, Why don't you just reg every name and make the money? WHY are you telling ME the equivalent of "Man there is a fortune buried in town park you better get a copy of the map or else you will be left out" I certainly don't believe any IDNER is being philanthropic.

Please don't say it is for discussion purposes to QUOTE MIKE MYERS from Saturday Night LIVE "Discuss amongst yourselves" you ahve a sub forum here now (good job RJ) A big one at DNF go IDN crazy woooooooooooooooo

We need a lively aftermarket and a broader base of idn-investors to spread the usage of idn and to confirm the investment potential to end-users.

Without competition there would be no prize.

 

[equity78]

Thank you for an intelligent answer GOOD LUCK with your IDN investments I am a believer but have enough domains and projects got to start developing.

 

[RJ]

WHAT I don't UNderstand about IDNERS and I believe in IDN, IS why are you telling me I know you don't care about me or anyone else here who is an IDNER, Why don't you just reg every name and make the money? WHY are you telling ME the equivalent of "Man there is a fortune buried in town park you better get a copy of the map or else you will be left out" I certainly don't believe any IDNER is being philanthropic.

Please don't say it is for discussion purposes to QUOTE MIKE MYERS from Saturday Night LIVE "Discuss amongst yourselves" you ahve a sub forum here now (good job RJ) A big one at DNF go IDN crazy woooooooooooooooo

We need a lively aftermarket and a broader base of idn-investors to spread the usage of idn and to confirm the investment potential to end-users.

Without competition there would be no price.

Also true is the majority of IDN sales to date have been from reseller to reseller. End users aren't there yet buying names, so the IDN market benefits from having more resellers involved. Maybe it's working. Even I'm taking a closer look at IDN for-sale threads now.

I do understand that selling to a fellow reseller, one that speaks the same language as me, and uses the same currency as me, is a lot easier to sell to than someone from China or Russia. It's no wonder many IDN sellers are focusing on selling to their fellow resellers.

The truly premium names have already been snagged by the IDN pioneers, so anyone coming in new to the IDN market is either stuck registering the table scraps or buying the premium names from the current portfolio holders. I'm not saying the table scraps aren't still delicious, just floating a theory on why certain folks have no problem encouraging others to get into the same business they're in.

Most other profitable niches in the domain business are closely guarded secrets, and benefit from other domainers being ignorant to their existence. Not so with IDN's.

I have mixed thoughts about whether more IDN speculators would actually help in the long run goal of having these domains widely adapted by end users. The more speculators, the fewer good IDN's available for reg fee to the early adopting end users. If the demand and value of these names among speculators put the domains out of reach of the people who could actually benefit from them, what is the point?

Cheers,

RJ

 

[Rubber Duck]

Also true is the majority of IDN sales to date have been from reseller to reseller. End users aren't there yet buying names, so the IDN market benefits from having more resellers involved. Maybe it's working. Even I'm taking a closer look at IDN for-sale threads now.

I do understand that selling to a fellow reseller, one that speaks the same language as me, and uses the same currency as me, is a lot easier to sell to than someone from China or Russia. It's no wonder many IDN sellers are focusing on selling to their fellow resellers.

The truly premium names have already been snagged by the IDN pioneers, so anyone coming in new to the IDN market is either stuck registering the table scraps or buying the premium names from the current portfolio holders. I'm not saying the table scraps aren't still delicious, just floating a theory on why certain folks have no problem encouraging others to get into the same business they're in.

Most other profitable niches in the domain business are closely guarded secrets, and benefit from other domainers being ignorant to their existence. Not so with IDN's.

I have mixed thoughts about whether more IDN speculators would actually help in the long run goal of having these domains widely adapted by end users. The more speculators, the fewer good IDN's available for reg fee to the early adopting end users. If the demand and value of these names among speculators put the domains out of reach of the people who could actually benefit from them, what is the point?

Cheers,

RJ

I can probably give a lot of insight into this as I have been substantially responsible for putting the message into the public Arena.

Yes, I was fortunate enough to grab a lot early on and arrived at the point where acquisition no longer seemed a priority. What did become a priority was finding a way of realising my investment. I came to the conclusion that a community was required in order to be able convince the PPC sites to become interested in this kind of domain. This was a problem that frankly other exotic forms of domains were not experiencing, but IDN require significant change to systems and corporate strategies. This now seems to have paid off and to the extent that traffic is now there we are generally able to monetize it. Although click through rates and Price per Click will continue to rise as Google established itself on the World Stage.

The one big miscalculation, I have made to date was the extent to which the market was dependant on IE 7.0 to bring this to fruition. I thought the level of migration to other browsers would be greater than it actually is. In the Far East and Arabic World IE 6.0 is ubiquitous. Whether one would describe it as popular is a mute point. Microsoft intransigence has been staggering, although they appear to have got the message now.

The one big surprise in all this is the extent that I have been able to improve my portfolio as a consequence of sharing information and the extent to which I now understand the challenges of monitizing those domains. My experience to date is that sharing information has been a Win-Win situation for all concerned.

 

[Bramiozo]

Also true is the majority of IDN sales to date have been from reseller to reseller. End users aren't there yet buying names, so the IDN market benefits from having more resellers involved. Maybe it's working. Even I'm taking a closer look at IDN for-sale threads now.

I do understand that selling to a fellow reseller, one that speaks the same language as me, and uses the same currency as me, is a lot easier to sell to than someone from China or Russia. It's no wonder many IDN sellers are focusing on selling to their fellow resellers.

The truly premium names have already been snagged by the IDN pioneers, so anyone coming in new to the IDN market is either stuck registering the table scraps or buying the premium names from the current portfolio holders. I'm not saying the table scraps aren't still delicious, just floating a theory on why certain folks have no problem encouraging others to get into the same business they're in.

Most other profitable niches in the domain business are closely guarded secrets, and benefit from other domainers being ignorant to their existence. Not so with IDN's.

I have mixed thoughts about whether more IDN speculators would actually help in the long run goal of having these domains widely adapted by end users. The more speculators, the fewer good IDN's available for reg fee to the early adopting end users. If the demand and value of these names among speculators put the domains out of reach of the people who could actually benefit from them, what is the point?

Cheers,

RJ

That's an interesting question, it depends on the mixture of domainers who own idn's I guess, if all domainers scoop all the names they can afford and are passively waiting for end-users to come by, then it all depends on the potential that corporations predíct and the risk they're willing to take.
I think a certain amount of idn'ers need to become end-users themselves, corporations will be the second in line once they see the idn's being a good investment, dancing around that activity are the resellers who behave more or less like stockbrokers.

Of course it's hard to deny the existence of idn's, it has been in development for over 5 years and the coming years will be crucial for it's success, keeping that a secret is like trying to cover up the back-end of vida guerra, however if we could have covered it up to keep it for ourselves we probably would have (just like the....) .

In the past year there's been some overinflation with the (jumpstarted) initialisation of the idn-reseller market, over the last months deflation occurred with the absence of end-user deployment and the last months of this year I think we will see an inflation with the ending of the ICANN-testbed to be followed by a further solid inflation (dname) or a steep fall (idn's in the root).

 

[thegenius1]

There are 26 citys in Tokyo , i was snatching up Tokyo city Real Estate terms and could only bag 19 of them because the rest had been purchased By End Users " Real Estate Comp. " But if you get down and start digging checking Whois's and reading you will see there are many end users buying and using IDN's

 

[Vimal]

It has been a while since I reported a sale of an IDN in this thread,

公司.com (IDN) ("company" in Chinese) sold for $10,750

When we look back at this poll after a few year we will see the huge potential lost by the "sky is falling" kinda people

 

[abcde]

to be honest:
i dont see any values of IDN domains in the near future. I voted "not"

 

[thefabfive]

to be honest:
i dont see any values of IDN domains in the near future. I voted "not"

Varying opinions are always welcome. Would you care to share your reasons for this view?

 

[Rubber Duck]

I didn't vote, probably because if this is a revolution, I am one of the ring leaders. Trail has gone a bit cold because M$ are struggling to get their act together, but the outcome is inevitable. The lack of direct navigation in local languages means that the "recognise and recall" factor isn't there for Asian people. The Japanese just don't do direct navigation. Basically the address bar in the IE6 is of no use to them whatsoever.

 

[Vimal]

Pulled this thread back to see the present trend in IDN's...

 

[Fka200]

Pulled this thread back to see the present trend in IDN's...

IDNs are better than sliced bread.







TRAFFIC IS SOOOO MUCH HIGHER THAN Mid 2006! It's UNBELIEVABLE the evolution--funny thing is, according to my stats, 80% are using IE6 (not IDN compatible), 5% IE7, 15% Firefox 1.5+

Some of my sites have 30% direct navigation, which is great. Things are stirring up.

Imagine when IE7 becomes the standard! I reg'd another 50 or so IDNs in the last 24 hours alone. Still looking for more.

 

[wot]

Don't see any value in them - stay well away. :kickass:

 

[Fka200]

Don't see any value in them - stay well away. :kickass:

If you don't see any value, can you pass over those .biz you reg'd a couple days ago? PRETTY PLEASE :loveyou:

 

[rhys]

Last year at this time, I just started parking them and was seeing less than $10/month. Now on a good day, I can see several times that amount in a single day. AND I'VE ONLY JUST BEGUN!

 

[khurtsiya]

Voted 'yes'.
Have some russian and ukrainian... Traffic is very low.
Will see...

 

[thegenius1]

Point Blank IDN's are The SH!@

 

[NP41215]

The scarcity of cheap dot coms is what makes other extensions, including cctlds, hot. That means dot coms will always be the top dogs over other cctlds.

If cctlds are hot, dot coms are always hotter.

As for localized versions of domain names, its value is proportional to the number of native speakers who have Internet access times their average disposable income level.

 

[rhys]

The scarcity of cheap dot coms is what makes other extensions, including cctlds, hot. That means dot coms will always be the top dogs over other cctlds.

If cctlds are hot, dot coms are always hotter.

As for localized versions of domain names, its value is proportional to the number of native speakers who have Internet access times their average disposable income level.

The first rule is generally too simplicitic to be true. .COMs are globally strong but not equally strong in all markets. The demand function of a CCTLD is not really always a function of the availability of .COMs. There are reasons for CCTLDs to have more value than .COMs in some local markets. Take Japan, IDN.JP is cheaper than IDN.COM, promoted locally by the Japanese registry, and signfies to users and search engines that the website targets Japanese people not gaijin. .COM cannot offer that kind of assurance. The last thing Japanese people want is to go to a site and find Chinese on it. This will rarely happen if you surf .JP sites. If you go to auction sites and compare prices on .JP/.COM/and .NET you will see that prices are tiered in this order.

As for your second rule, I tend to agree with it, thus the value of an IDN domain is going to be a function of the expected per capita GDP and internet enabled population who speak that language primarily.