I lost $5805usd through PayPal scam by Shane Bellone

[12no3]

Many of my friend suggested me to post this on namepros so others will less likely to be scamed by shane.

So on 2016-09-26 and 2016-09-27 he bought 374 cvcv.in names and 471 cvcv.in names all together 845 .in names together. (these are random cvcv.in)
together he paid me on paypal 5805 usd.

I pushed the domain to him, then everything is fine. the deal was made through whatsapp chat.
deal closed.
then I saw him selling them on .in markect group, flipped some for higher price.

until 27the decenmber when i log in to my paypal to make another purchase, i see paypal refunded 5805 back to him, then i look up my email, i saw paypal disput which i completed missed.
buyer claim reason: NOT AS DESCRIBED! (this is after he sold and transfer out some of those)

I did not know paypal had this 3 months rules where buyer can claim the money back, and becuase i do not log on paypal so often and get xxx amount of emails every days, so i missed the window that i could have argued with paypal. but well lesson learned.

Some infomation of shane so other can avoid being scamed by him
http://this_username_was_banned.com/
http://www.domainsherpa.com/shane-bellone-itmagazine-interview/
http://tldinvestors.com/2016/05/shane-bellone-saying-goodbye-to-domaining.html
http://omarandwill.com/interview-with-the-expert-volume-2-featuring-shane-bellone/
https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/10154332611129273
https://www.linkedin.com/in/this_username_was_banned
https://twitter.com/this_username_was_banned


good news is after I provided all the evidence to the registrar, the registrar moved the remaining (ones he did not sold or transfer out) to my account, so at least i got something back.

Becuareful when using paypal,and becuareful when you trade any domain that was processed by shane.

During the process of getting the unsold domains by shane, I had great help from .in whatsapp group, so special thx who provide information and also special thx to shiva , kemji, alexa and indy who tried to contact shane for me, but he went dark, not picking his cell phone, does not respond back on whatsapp nor linkedin.

 

[mad409]

How am I saying that?

I'm saying Shane is probably at fault, but he won't admit it.

This does not imply the OP is making false claims.

Oh please, read what you said, Shane would not do this and go back to page 1. LOL

 

[Saeid Nejati]

This sound interesting and also sad. Always ask for a confirmation email from buyer to your PayPal email address to prove that you sell something or services to him/her. This can avoid PayPal dispute.

 

[LucidDomains]

in case OP is correct, one could at least attempt to settle this. Shane pays the outstanding domains and Paypal fees, probably $xxx and comes up with a good excuse why he had to do this, apologizes and this can be closed.

I doubt Shane would do this, he is too self-righteous and has too much of a God complex, but I could be wrong...

Please read these 2 quotes again.

I said "I doubt Shane would do this"

this = pays the outstanding domains and Paypal fees, probably $xxx and comes up with a good excuse why he had to do this, apologizes and this can be closed.

Did you misread what I said?

 

[mad409]

Please read these 2 quotes again.

I said "I doubt Shane would do this"

this = pays the outstanding domains and Paypal fees, probably $xxx and comes up with a good excuse why he had to do this, apologizes and this can be closed.

Did you misread what I said?

I did sorry...

 

[gilescoley]

There seems to be a f*ck load of details provided here @gilescoley. What more do you want?

Tell us exactly what you want and I'm sure someone can give you the details you desire.

Can someone provide us with the total number of domains including the 42 sold ?

Edit: I understand if you don't want to release it publicly, in that case, please provide via PM. Cheers

Bloody hell, this is common sense, just pretend its a court of law for a second, anyone can make a judgement call just because someone posted a list of 45 domains, but there is no proof of what exactly happened, and you know what, you will never know, because if the other party hasnt commented yet, he probably wont

you are indeed protecting a wrong doer ...I am talking based on facts

Yes, they might be facts, they could be facts, but facts from the OP (and now a moderator of. IN whatsapp group)

I have never supported Shane, go back at look, I have posted about 5 or 6 times in the whole thread so check your facts. I am neutral here, I really couldn't care less what happens, but dont make a judgement until you know for sure by hearing both sides. If people cant understand this, then Im not sure what else anyone can say.

If it did happen like the OP said, I certainly hope he gets whats owed to him. I will let you all carry this on now

 

[LucidDomains]

Right, okay can someone from the @westdotcn registrar confirm that facts?

That ~850 domains moved from OP to S-B and all but 42 domains have been returned.

Cheers

 

[RicoShay]

Just because only one side has provided facts and evidence doesn't mean they are dismissiable.

@gilescoley we are not taking sides without knowing information. There are plenty here who have been close enough to know enough.

There are some things that are just not defendable. There are some facts that point clearly to a wrong doing... Whatever the circumstances may be behind it.

There has been plenty of evidence, facts and "witnesses" that have come forward in the thread... All which adds to the weight of the OPs claims. The accused remaining silent is not a free-pass to innocence. He either responds to counter the claims otherwise it all clearly pints to him being wrong. This is not an assumption... It's a fact based the evidence presented so far.

 

[mad409]

If we really want facts anyone that does a charge back on a fellow domainer, when you agreed to the purchase should be shunned!

 

[LucidDomains]

Bloody hell, this is common sense, just pretend its a court of law for a second, anyone can make a judgement call just because someone posted a list of 45 domains, but there is no proof of what exactly happened, and you know what, you will never know, because if the other party hasnt commented yet, he probably wont

As you mention a court of law in your post, tell us what happens when 1 side provides enough details to secure a conviction and the defence always remains silent...?

 

[LucidDomains]

If we really want facts anyone that does a charge back on a fellow domainer, when you agreed to the purchase should be shunned!

You bring up a very pertinent point.

Forget the domains for a second, who the fuck does a PayPal chargeback after 3 months for a domain transaction?

You get the domains you spend a few days checking them over, maybe a week, transaction done.

Seriously 3 months?

 

[kriss05]

If we really want facts anyone that does a charge back on a fellow domainer, when you agreed to the purchase should be shunned!

on any domainer maybe

 

[gilescoley]

Just because only one side has provided facts and evidence doesn't mean they are dismissiable.

@gilescoley we are not taking sides without knowing information. There are plenty here who have been close enough to know enough.

There are some things that are just not defendable. There are some facts that point clearly to a wrong doing... Whatever the circumstances may be behind it.

There has been plenty of evidence, facts and "witnesses" that have come forward in the thread... All which adds to the weight of the OPs claims. The accused remaining silent is not a free-pass to innocence. He either responds to counter the claims otherwise it all clearly pints to him being wrong. This is not an assumption... It's a fact based the evidence presented so far.

I agree about the accused remaining silent, not a good look at all, but as I said, lets sit and watch shall we...

As you mention a court of law in your post, tell us what happens when 1 side provides enough details to secure a conviction and the defense always remains silent...?

Yes, but the defendant and accused get the chance to speak though...the funniest thing is "most' of the people making claims about who is guilty, are from people who probably haven't ready very post (not referring to you @LucidDomains ) and dont know either person (not personally either, just from NP too)

 

[mad409]

 

[dordomai]

You bring up a very pertinent point.

Forget the domains for a second, who the f*ck does a PayPal chargeback after 3 months for a domain transaction?

You get the domains you spend a few days checking them over, maybe a week, transaction done.

Seriously 3 months?

Perhaps, if the issue was domains being locked, it was only noticed when attempting a transfer. That being said does anyone know how long west.xyz takes to send you the auth code and unlock an .in domain?

 

[LucidDomains]

...and dont know either person (not personally either, just from NP too)

But that's exactly how it should be.. We need to look at this not from a personal standpoint but from a neutral objective standpoint and that's precisely what I'm doing.

I dislike Shane, but I'm not being vindictive here. I'm trying to see everything in an objective view. There are a lot of details been put forward against Shane. A lot of respectable NamePros members who have aged accounts have also backed up the OP claims. These are people with 100's of positive trade reviews.

Lets forget that the OP is a co-owner of a NNN.com and that Shane is an ex-PRO member of this forum. If it was anybody else on the planet, I'll be treating this the same way.

EDIT:

If Shane wants to provide new information, I'd be happy to review it and re-evaluate the overall findings accordingly.

 

[dordomai]

how long can you do a Paypal chargeback? I was careless or stupid enough to do a $xxxx deal via paypal a while back and I was the seller. What happens if your balance becomes negative from a chargeback? Will they attempt to collect the money from you? Do I owe Paypal the negative amount?

 

[RicoShay]

Perhaps, if the issue was domains being locked, it was only noticed when attempting a transfer. That being said does anyone know how long west.xyz takes to send you the auth code and unlock an .in domain?

As I mentioned before it's not exactly easy due to the process on the site and some of the terminology used differing from what we may be used to compared to regular registrar sites (GD, Dynadot etc). However, a support ticket is enough to get the ball rolling... it took me 2-3 days to receive the auth codes each time I did it. The staff are very helpful and understanding there.

 

[PoliticalVII]

Thank you for this post, i will not buy from him. Can someone message me a list of his close friends and associates on NP, i will not buy from them as well.

 

[gilescoley]

@LucidDomains

I think most of the people who are making accusations are people that didn't like Shane anyway (from the other "shady" thread(s) mentioned on this thread) so I think its easy to come to a decision here as well. People dont look at this case on its own, a separate matter.

I am not aiming this at you at all mate, I honestly mean that, but a lot of people here just skim-read through the thread and then have jumped on the bandwagon...thats the easy thing to do..

 

[willtord]

Haven't seen it mentioned (although maybe I missed it) but Shane was conducting his .IN/.CO.IN business on NP under the name 'BuyPolar'. Here's one of his posts listing hundreds of CVCVs for sale in October:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/cvcv-in-6-50-each-if-you-buy-them-all-dici-in.977728/#post-5785276

Although the OP would have to clarify if ALL of the names listed here previously belonged to him, what I did notice is that there is a good handful of those 42 names that have yet to be recovered by the OP listed in there.

Post states the names were at West.xyz but no mention of them not being able to be transferred out (probably because, as others have testified, you can). Seems odd that he was happy to list them for sale if he had an issue with what he had been given.