strategy How to Find Potential End Users?

[shilmy]

Hi,

Do any of you has regularly sell your domain to end users? If so, do you mind share with me in this thread on how find potential end users for your domain?

Regards,
Sjarief

 

[JoshuaPz]

I always present my buyers the option of undergoing transaction without escrow; when juxtaposed with an escrow option, the buyers view escrow as purely protecting them, and therefore nearly always choose escrow with willingness to pay 100% of the fees. The one time I proposed 50/50 the buyer's seemed surprised, as if I was doing him a favor.

If in doubt, 50/50 is always a safe bet.

For end-user transactions under $1K I simply bypass escrow and push them the domain first. I wouldn't mind doing so for >$1K exchanges as well if it weren't for the fact that using straight PayPal for transactions of that volume appears unprofessional.

Also, while I'm at it, why don't I throw another one of my templates into this thread. Here's the e-mail I send once both my buyer and I have agreed to a high-dollar sale and are ready to proceed with the transaction (I have left the domain name and dollar amount intact here, as usual):

***

Hi [...],

Thanks for getting back to me with your decision on SleepTonight.com. I am glad to learn your group has chosen this wise investment and look forward to watching your business thrive off this extraordinary domain.

Because of this transaction's volume I would recommend we make this exchange through a BBB-accredited escrow service. EscrowDNS (www.escrowdns.com) is my escrow company of choice because they specialize in domain name escrow, proxying transfer of both domain name and payment. They charge 7% of transaction volume (roughly $125 in this case) for their secure service, which I would ask that you agree to pay on top of the $1800 base. I am also open to other escrow alternatives but EscrowDNS tends to process transactions the most swiftly (usually within 24 hours following initiation) and offer the most personalized support.

If you agree to proceed via EscrowDNS, please head over to www.escrowdns.com and initiate a transaction using the terms we have agreed on. You will need to key in my home address, which reads as follows:

[...]

As soon as you initiate this transaction, EscrowDNS will take over and guide you through the steps of both issuing payment and receiving SleepTonight.com. EscrowDNS allows many forms of payment but I would strongly advise that you choose an electronic means (credit card, wire transfer, or PayPal) to ensure this swap flows as wait-free as possible.

If you would prefer to utilize a different escrow service such as escrow.com, Sedo, or Moniker, please let me know and I will provide instructions for the service of your choice.

I look forward to doing business with you and, in all likelihood, a smooth ride! Please don't hesitate to e-mail back or call me (XXX.XXX.XXXX) if you have any questions before we get started.

Be in touch,
[...]

 

[fh08]

Yeah, that's what I've been doing so far for both of the domains that I've sold (pushing domain to buyer, then accepting payment). None have bailed out so far on paying after they received the domain.
For the second domain, I put DavidH's suggestion into practice and worked the 4% fee into the sale price, so I didn't have to mention anything about Paypal fees at all.
Both domains were brought to my attention from Joshua's flipping lists =)

 

[spikedo]

I always use the 50/50 option in Escrow.com without ever bringing the up the subject. I've never once had an objection.

Nice Gene! I had always discussed that upfront (and usually made the buyer pay) but this seems like the better way to go to ensure a fast, smooth transaction.

 

[mwzd]

If its a big end user, I take Joshua's line, push the domain, wait for payment. But only if its a big company and they send over the paperwork and i've confirmed identities etc.

However, escrow is usually 50/50, it helps.

Paypal for large amounts only from sedo/afternic/friends etc.

 

[Lujke]

I'm curious about your experiences on selling a Keyword.net to KeywordService.com owners..For example selling 12345.net to 12345Realty.com or 12345Property.com (just an example). Has anyone done this successfully or did you get responses like "why do i need .net when I have the .com"

 

[copper]

If its a big end user, I take Joshua's line, push the domain, wait for payment. But only if its a big company and they send over the paperwork and i've confirmed identities etc.

However, escrow is usually 50/50, it helps.

Paypal for large amounts only from sedo/afternic/friends etc.

For the first time, yesterday, I pushed domain first with signed domain sales
agreement and got mid $x,xxx wired directly into my bank acct today

 

[theuniverse]

What is your opinion and suggestions about this domain sales letter?


Subject: Beautiful opportunity for you! * lovepatient.com

Greetings to [BUYER NAME],
[BUYER ADDRESS].

lovepatient.com is for sale.
love is the best medicine
love makes patient life beautiful.

Who lives without love?Do you live without love?Do you live without love of your mother,father,sister,brother,relatives,friends,soc iety,
animals,birds,nature and universe?If mother does not love her child,how does that child grow?Love is necessary to live.If doctor/physician treats her/his patient without love,patient will die.Love is there in our lives.

Approximate average monthly number of search queries matching "love patient" that were performed on Google and the search network over a recent 12-month period: 40,500[Excluding other search engines search volume].Search volume is extremely important! The more people that search for a term the more value a domain name has that matches exactly to the searched term.It is a proven SEO[Search Engine Optimization] fact that having a domain name that matches an exact matched search term greatly helps in SERP's[Search Engine Results Pages]. .com.Search Volume is useful in Search Engine Optimization of this domain to get free traffic from search engines to this website.This is the exact match search volume,indexing in main page for these keywords in search engines is not a big problem,if you develop this domain.Think about the free traffic after development from natural search results.This domain value will be increased more than 50000 USD after 1 year because of traffic only,think about other factors beauty of domain name,...etc,if you consider all these factors how much value it will be.Just i need money now so i am selling this domain now otherwise i will develop this domain.

If you observe the domain name,this domain has 2 meanings,love as a verb shows importance of love to patient,love as a noun shows someone depressed because lack of love and he/she became "love patient".If you develop this domain for health care site,visitor will be interested in both ways and comes to your site.

If you develop this domain for blood eyes kidney and money donation site,donors will easily donate and attract and like to donate because of this domain name.

Most people remember this domain name easily and most people coming back to your site.

This domain name has .Com extension,the most people prefer this extension.This is the top and valuable extension of all extensions.

I am expecting NNNN USD [NNNN$] for this domain.

Let me know opinion with love whether you would be interested in purchasing domain and
we can then proceed to discuss further details.

If you have questions, please contact me by email ([ [email protected] ]).

Sincerely with love,
[YOUR NAME],
[YOUR ADDRESS].

If this correspondence has arrived at the wrong department, please pass it on to the appropriate staff member.

 

[JoshuaPz]

With all due respect, your message contains numerous grammatical errors, improper punctuation, and roughly 8 times as much verbiage at it should. If your domain really is worth $X,XXX end-user then the name should sell itself, with very little explanation attached. If your message landed in my inbox I would mark it as spam instantly -- "must be that Nigerian scammer dude again". I know you're trying hard, but your message makes it clear you're trying TOO hard, whispering desperation between your lines.

Your 40,500 search per year figure for "love patient" is way, way off. 40.5K Google searches took place for expressions roughly matching "love patient", most notably "love is patient" (a frequently used catechism). The number of exact monthly searches for "love patient" per month is 73, and I've picked up many reg. fee. domains whose keywords receive hundreds of exact monthly searches.

$50K USD because of traffic alone? Are you serious?? How much monthly traffic does LovePatient.com receive and what's your CTR? If your end-user asks you for traffic/revenue stats (as they likely would for an $X,XXX sale), how could you possibly justify that $50K figure? And how could you justify letting the domain go for $X,XXX when you personally could make $50K/year with it?

Can you name me at least 3 end-users who would take interest in LovePatient.com with >10% probability each? I would never register or purchase a domain that doesn't satisfy this requirement.

LoveNun.com and LovePastor.com are both available to register, by the way. Why don't you grab those and try justifying their worth to be $5000 as well?

If you manage to lock up even $75 for LovePatient.com on end-user sale, I'd be extremely surprised. Good luck.

I know this posting sounds a little inflammatory, but consider it my sweeping rant against domainers with deeply inflated senses of their domains' values. I project this characterization covers 90% of domainers worldwide.

Keep your pitches short and sweet. See my end-user sales e-mail earlier in this thread for an example.

 

[mjbenterprises]

Great post.. I wouldn't even register lovepatient.com if it was given to me for free. It doesn't even make sense, but then I see domains all the time that make no sense whatsoever..

With all due respect, your message contains numerous grammatical errors, improper punctuation, and roughly 8 times as much verbiage at it should. If your domain really is worth $X,XXX end-user then the name should sell itself, with very little explanation attached. If your message landed in my inbox I would mark it as spam instantly -- "must be that Nigerian scammer dude again". I know you're trying hard, but your message makes it clear you're trying TOO hard, whispering desperation between your lines.

Your 40,500 search per year figure for "love patient" is way, way off. 40.5K Google searches took place for expressions roughly matching "love patient", most notably "love is patient" (a frequently used catechism). The number of exact monthly searches for "love patient" per month is 73, and I've picked up many reg. fee. domains whose keywords receive hundreds of exact monthly searches.

$50K USD because of traffic alone? Are you serious?? How much monthly traffic does LovePatient.com receive and what's your CTR? If your end-user asks you for traffic/revenue stats (as they likely would for an $X,XXX sale), how could you possibly justify that $50K figure? And how could you justify letting the domain go for $X,XXX when you personally could make $50K/year with it?

Can you name me at least 3 end-users who would take interest in LovePatient.com with >10% probability each? I would never register or purchase a domain that doesn't satisfy this requirement.

LoveNun.com and LovePastor.com are both available to register, by the way. Why don't you grab those and try justifying their worth to be $5000 as well?

If you manage to lock up even $75 for LovePatient.com on end-user sale, I'd be extremely surprised. Good luck.

I know this posting sounds a little inflammatory, but consider it my sweeping rant against domainers with deeply inflated senses of their domains' values. I project this characterization covers 90% of domainers worldwide.

Keep your pitches short and sweet. See my end-user sales e-mail earlier in this thread for an example.

 

[Gene]

Ugh. I'm very sorry theuniverse, but that is one of the most poorly constructed email pitches I've ever seen... it's all wrong on so many different levels. Painful. Are you selling a domain name to a businessperson or are you trying to educate them on what 'love' is?

You're not sending a letter to aunt Mabel. You're sending a proposal to a busy businessperson. Give the the facts. But make sure you're giving them accurate facts! I won't repeat what Josh has already told you... but please heed his advice.

Sorry to be so brutal, but it is with the intention to help.

 

[ripley]

Hi Theuniverse,

I'd basically echo the comments above, mainly:

* Way too long, with irrelevant information (a businessperson doesn't need an explainer about what love is)
* Too much impenetrable detail about SERPs etc. It's fine to make an argument that search volume is important and outline why, but it needs to be in language laypeople can understand.

But to me the most glaring problem is that you basically promise them they can make $50k off of it in a year. This sounds fishy (if true, why aren't you just keeping it?), and it also could possibly open you to a lawsuit. You're basically promising them they're going to be able to resell it for $50k next year or make that much off it in parking rev in a year, and if they don't (which we all know they won't), you could end up with lawyers knocking down your door.

Careful of overpromising. Tighten up the language and sharpen your rhetoric about why it's useful for them to purchase the domain.

ripley.

 

[bgmv]

I completely agree with Josh, Gene and ripley. We all have experience selling to end users, some more than others, but we know what works. That email looks and reads like a scam, even the title "beautiful opportunity for you" - i wouldnt even open it. end users arent stupid and it seems like you are trying to bait them, they know that lovepatient.com is worthless- you have no idea how many times i claimed that a domain even recieves 3-5 visitors daily and they ask for a screenshot. btw, who were you planning on sending this email to?

i take it you arent from the US or UK, it is hard to sell to end users in the US if your emails arent flawless and contructed in a thoughtful manner, they just come off as spam or scam. your email is all over the place. what makes you think that lovepatient is worth NNNN (btw an enduser has no idea what that means). follow josh's advice and check out his sample template, i think its page 12 or 13 of this thread.

good luck

 

[mwzd]

got mid $x,xxx wired directly into my bank

Excellent job copper :tu: congrats

If your message landed in my inbox I would mark it as spam instantly -- "must be that Nigerian scammer dude again".

:D :D :D It isn't?

If you manage to lock up even $75 for LovePatient.com on end-user sale, I'd be extremely surprised. Good luck.

I'd be surprised if you can get what you bought it for... can dig up the thread if required tbh.

theuniverse, you've been pimping crap as 'great domains' on the forum for the longest times, learn what makes a domain valuable and it wont seem as if you're insulting our intelligence, or even a $x,xxx end users and you might do much better.

 

[JoshuaPz]

If this correspondence has arrived at the wrong department, please pass it on to the appropriate staff member.

This is the one line from his e-mail that's even mildly appropriate, but I imagine he copied and pasted it from elsewhere

 

[nicedomains]

theuniverse, you've been pimping crap as 'great domains' on the forum for the longest times...

Seems a little harsh, all theuniverse did in this thread was post a letter he wrote intended for end users. Isn't that what we are talking about here?

learn what makes a domain valuable and it wont seem as if you're insulting our intelligence, or even a $x,xxx end users and you might do much better.

I think that is what he is doing here at namepros, Samit. I thought this was a place where you come and learn from positive and constructive criticism. Trial and error. Something we all are constantly doing, I know I am not perfect.

Sure theuniverse's attempt at an end user letter was quite a mess, and sure many of his sales threads (titles) may be loaded with adjectives that do not describe accurately the domain he is selling but what is he guilty of being a noob? 8-X

 

[HBK216]

Excellent job copper :tu: congrats


:D :D :D It isn't?


I'd be surprised if you can get what you bought it for... can dig up the thread if required tbh.

theuniverse, you've been pimping crap as 'great domains' on the forum for the longest times, learn what makes a domain valuable and it wont seem as if you're insulting our intelligence, or even a $x,xxx end users and you might do much better.

No offense but I think your response is unprofessional (even though you have somewhat of a point) considering your position here at Namepros.

Each person whether it be domain registrant or business owner has an opinion as to what a name is worth. So while the poster could brush up on acquisition savvy, to outright say everything is crap is insulting & uncalled for.

I see many of people sell names that don't do a thing for me or serve a purpose. While they might work for targeted individuals & not for my needs as a buyer, I still won't say it is outright crap.

I will agree they need to sharpen their presentation & acquisition skills for easier potential sales. However the language used should be more in line with your position on this site.

 

[Jingles]

How would you respond to this type of reply?

"It looks like we would like to purchase that domain from you. I have one question, have you ever hosted that domain at all?"

The name in question is a two word, product specific .net which I just picked up at Namejet about 1 week ago. I'm guessing he's trying to get an idea of traffic perhaps? I've had the name parked at Sedo since purchasing it and so far it's received about 8 uniques and 1 click...but Adwords shows an exact count of 14,800 for this two word product for the month of Feb. Being that I've only owned the name for a week, how should I respond?

Also, this is the first pre-order I did at Namejet, and I see in my Enom account that the name is on "auction lock". Is this going to be a problem?

Thanks

 

[Gene]

They may be concerned about what the content of the site was previously (negative, controversial etc.). You may want to show them archive.org (if it helps in this case) to view the past.

How would you respond to this type of reply?

"It looks like we would like to purchase that domain from you. I have one question, have you ever hosted that domain at all?"

The name in question is a two word, product specific .net which I just picked up at Namejet about 1 week ago. I'm guessing he's trying to get an idea of traffic perhaps? I've had the name parked at Sedo since purchasing it and so far it's received about 8 uniques and 1 click...but Adwords shows an exact count of 14,800 for this two word product for the month of Feb. Being that I've only owned the name for a week, how should I respond?

Also, this is the first pre-order I did at Namejet, and I see in my Enom account that the name is on "auction lock". Is this going to be a problem?

Thanks

 

[copper]

How would you respond to this type of reply?

"It looks like we would like to purchase that domain from you. I have one question, have you ever hosted that domain at all?"

The name in question is a two word, product specific .net which I just picked up at Namejet about 1 week ago. I'm guessing he's trying to get an idea of traffic perhaps? I've had the name parked at Sedo since purchasing it and so far it's received about 8 uniques and 1 click...but Adwords shows an exact count of 14,800 for this two word product for the month of Feb. Being that I've only owned the name for a week, how should I respond?

Also, this is the first pre-order I did at Namejet, and I see in my Enom account that the name is on "auction lock". Is this going to be a problem?

Thanks

Maybe buyer just want to know if the domain was ever used in bad way?
Just type in the domain name at:
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
If you see any site, tell them when and what type.
If you don't see any, tell them "there wasn't any".

Other way, go to google and typein...
site:your-domain-name.net
Sometimes Google do have archived pages.

 

[JoshuaPz]

Amy, I would perform the Archive.org check and respond that since you purchased the domain off another reseller just a week ago, you've not yet had the opportunity host the domain name or sample traffic.

The "auction lock" will be a problem if you're trying to flip him the domain ASAP. All pre-release eNom domains won at NameJet enter an "auction lock" phase, in which they cannot be transferred or pushed for 42 days. During that period the domain's previous owner may still renew the name.

If you desperately need the money (as I have in a couple of instances) and the buyer seems trustworthy, you might consider pushing him another one of your equally valuable domains as collateral, then providing him your eNom password. I made this arrangement with a buyer once and it worked out okay.