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If I make a simple website, no backlinks(not really even sure what that means) or anything, and the domain is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com and someone searches for xxxxx xxxxxx xxx xxxx, will I be on the first page, 10th page, 1000th page? This is a phrase that someone may search....
 
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You're going to get a thousand different answers. And whatever you do... Don't listen to Matt Cutts.

EMD's(Exact Match Domains) use to almost guarantee 1st page results. Then came all the algorithm changes and EMD's didnt matter according to Matt Cutts... But based on my experimenting.... I've seen a return to EMD's for ranking websites when using original content. No crazy backlinking, spun or copied content.

But to answer your question.... An EMD by itself does not guarantee 1st page ranking. It can help though.
 
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EMD is nothing nowadays.
 
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No, too many emds are just keywords strung together and google discounts those domains.
From the number of x's in the OP?
Would say he has a domain with a few keywords.
Aint gonna fly anymore to do keywords that way.
 
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If I make a simple website, no backlinks(not really even sure what that means) or anything, and the domain is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com and someone searches for xxxxx xxxxxx xxx xxxx, will I be on the first page, 10th page, 1000th page? This is a phrase that someone may search....

Impossible to answer. It depends on many other factors. One is for sure, if you do the same things (onsite and offsite SEO) and use brandable domain or EMD, an EMD WILL HAVE ADVANTAGE.

I am 100% sure in this. I heard many other (relevant) people that say exactly this, I saw many websites in the same niche with brandable and EMD and guess which one is better placed, I read few case studies where it is proven that you will get better results with EMD if you do everything the same with both types of domain, etc...

Also, If I search for "Pet Shop" and come across PetShop.com and Fifi.com, I will not have any doubts on which one to click first. (Tip: I would not click on Fifi.com :) )
 
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One is for sure, if you do the same things (online and offline SEO)
offline SEO? Heard of onsite and offsite SEO, how do I SEO when I am offline?
 
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Offline Seo: My Guess?

Car magnents with website/product info, promotions for customers who review on yelp, facebook page, or google plus. Cold calling endusers to direct them to your site, and basically every other physical way of marketing possible? Pehaps a BillBoard? Or commercials that cut out right before you see a womans boo.... Where have I seen this before? ;)
 
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offline SEO? Heard of onsite and offsite SEO, how do I SEO when I am offline?

I guess it was obvious that I typed online and offline by mistake, instead of onsite and offsite ;)
 
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Is there any reason to think the "rules" get applied the same for all domains? I can imagine the domain name might matter less for sites in competitive niches. I can also see it being relatively more important in small niches. I suspect the "right" answer is "It depends".
 
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Domains still make a difference Today, even on Google.

I developed 2 identical websites, one using a brandable, the other using the exact-match for the search phrase I wanted them ranked. The EMD got to page 2 after a couple of weeks, the brandable was on page 6 or 7 after the same amount of time.
 
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Actually none of us has really answered the OP.
Reading what was posted:
He has a domain that is a phrase.
That is not likely searched much.
Want to know where he would end up in search.
Bottom line right now?
Unless we know the domain, it is hard to say where his site will end up.
Plus the content of the site, and a couple more factors not known yet.

EMD is just bypassing what he wants to know.
 
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Your ranking in the SERPS has nothing to do with your domain name. It has everything to do with site content and the quality of your backlinks.
 
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If I make a simple website, no backlinks(not really even sure what that means) or anything, and the domain is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com and someone searches for xxxxx xxxxxx xxx xxxx, will I be on the first page, 10th page, 1000th page? This is a phrase that someone may search....
depends on how good the content is etc.

A domain that matches the search is nothing without original, regular content.
 
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I think people misunderstood the algorithm change with Google thinking domains mean absolutely nothing now.

No, the only change that happened was that before the update, you could have little or no content on your EMD and you can still rank fairly well above other sites that actually had better content. This is still true however with Bing/Yahoo - They will rank you on page one quickly with an EMD even with little content.

Now Today after the update, your EMD isn't going anywhere on Google if there is no content on it, but if you actually put a tiny bit of effort to match or surpass everyone elses content, your EMD will outrank the others much more quickly for a search phrase more so than using a brandable, so it still holds weight for longtail search strings, they're just not automatically prioritizing them like they did in past which is actually fair, but they are still prioritizing them if there's actual content to be found on that domain.

Everyone who has done experiments and is not just speculating knows this. May not get to page 1 after few days, but a few weeks + content will outbeat a brandable + content any day (from my findings)

Even Adam Dicker understands this and done experiments live on DomainSherpa using an EMD.com vs a gTLD, why bother if he knew they meant nothing either way?
 
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Some EMD's will never do good because older (and probably better) EMD's are there already.
Keep that one in mind.

But again, we are not talking about EMD domain.
Still waiting, and I have a feeling it will not happen, for the OP to come back and give the domain, etc.
 
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May not get to page 1 after few days, but a few weeks + content will outbeat a brandable + content any day (from my findings)

I agree; it's not just the domain name or just the content, it's a combination of both that makes or breaks the strength of your seo. I have many examples and experiments from over the years, but I'll give you just one:
I wrote a lot of original content for one website, about 40 pages and each page with around 2k work count minimum, long articles and not quick minisite content pages. This content went onto four different domains (one at a time, not concurrently), all dot coms, the platform was the same (Wordpress blog) and I never did any seo or marketing past simply building the site, so you can consider 'all development being equal' and only the domain changed.

The first domain was a two word brandable, not a search term, 13 letters long. The highest traffic ever received was somewhere over 200 uniques per month. So after a couple years I changed to a shorter brandable, two words, not a search term, 6 letters long, and all the same content. For the next couple years using that shorter new domain, it still didn't break 300 visitors per month.

Then I switched to an exact match domain (hand regged), a 'how to' domain that was five short words, total of 18 letters long, a term that received about 5000 exact monthly google searches; after another 2 or 3 years, and adding a little content to the blog, it still had below 300 uniques per month and never got even close to google page 1 in the serps. Actually, for this one I did do a tiny little marketing, had a Twitter account and posted new blog article links there to my site. That's pretty much where my visitors came from, not much action from the engines. Still, very low traffic. Really hard to get a 5-word domain/search term to be 'seen' in the serps even if it is exact match.

Then just over a year ago, I decided on yet another domain name for the same content. Bit the bullet, paid x,xxx for a nice exact match for my niche content, aged since 2001, many extensions taken. Only 3 words, 12 letters long, and monthly google searches about 2k. Not a lot, but it was a tight name and really attractive to me. So, yet again, I moved the same content to a new blog at that domain. Added a few more content pages.

The site shot onto search engines' page 1 spot within a couple months. It's now less than a year later and my uniques go up each month (will hit around 2.5k this month). I still do no seo to speak of for it, no marketing or Twitter for this one. It's on google page 1 in the serps, same for the opposite arrangement of the terms, and same for shorter versions in the serps (minus one word, any word). For example, if my domain was LoveMePlease dot com (it isn't), it's coming up page one for love me please, please love me, love me, etc.

If I didn't have strong content, this strong serp showing wouldn't be happening. Much of that is due to the content. But I was getting virtually zero visitors with 2 brandable domains and 1 long 5-word exact match domain, over a period of 6 or 7 years with the same content. Then on one short 3-word exact match domain, within a couple months it was page 1 everywhere. I know 2.5k isn't a lot of visitors, but this was a good series of domains to exemplify this experiment of emd's vs non-emd's, since it was over a long period of time and over multiple domains, using the same content, and clearly shows a sudden and large increase in traffic and serp rankings.

I have other examples, but the short story for me is:
An exact match domain that is not too many words long, in dot com, and has perhaps other things going for it like age and other ext regged, etc, is clearly given weight over brandable domains in the serps.

It's not a black and white answer, but *in my personal experience with my own websites*, I can say:
Given that all other things are equal, like same content, seo, and marketing, then a good exact match domain in dot com can entirely make the difference in your website placing or not placing well in the serps. A 'good' emd seems to have a lot of 'built in' seo to it, if all other things are done well.
 
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@Bannen - What was the backlink situation between the domains?
 
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@Bannen - What was the backlink situation between the domains?
I didn't build any backlinks and no domains came with them (first three domains were hand regs, fourth had never been developed, only parked, and came with zero traffic when I bought it). No one ever linked to the first two, third domain (the five word one) about 6 other sites linked to eventually on their own, latest site only has one link from another site (excluding backlink spam from minisites and .ru crappy sites). So no backlinks to speak of for all 4.
 
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imo

it depends on the keywords...

example:

if your domain is : kobenanota.com (just made up brandable name)

and someone searched for "kobenanota" which is your brand... while there is no "kobenanota" or few results.. then you will be in the first page on google results.

but if your domainthere made of keywords .. really it doesn't matter if it was EMD or not.. it depends on "traffic" & SEO & quality backlinks... I saw many made black hat tricks to get non-quality high traffic to there websites, then they ranked up on google results.
 
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