.mobi How do you see the role of .COM now with the unfolding mobile internet revolution?

[satsdifference.com]

One of the reasons why Dot Mobi can be paced, carefully and timely, by the BIG Guys (Dot Mobi Business Consortium of Power).. I think is because of the lack of competition..

On their pace, the Dot Mobi CEO says

".. not enough content to spur rapid adoption"

-http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3630084753740478187&q=dotmobi&hl=en

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Is the role of .com increasing or decreasing as this mobile internet revolution unfolds?

To be honest, the role of dot com seems to be confusing at the moment..

Not just the countless hard-to-remember, hard-to-advertise URLS;

But, the mobile device detect and redirect on the .com movement seems to be stagnated..

A .COM developer doesn't know whether to keep the full site preserved for advanced PDA access (with scrollbars) or do a mobile device detect and mobile site version redirect on the .com for the lower PDA's.. it seems like there is a split here.. an abyss like division..

Or am I missing something?

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The DotMobi "from the ground up" approach of the device detect and appropriate redirect on the .mobi is on another level; if, you take a closer look - Do the Math!


Kind Regards,

Yelo

 

[mykel241]

I honestly think that most sites and brands will run the same code on both the .com and .mobi versions of their name, with one redirecting to the other, and then detecting if its a mobile device or pc.

It is easier to brand one URL then multiple as in the end you are only going to confuse your intended audience. Just look at the list of advertisers on AdMOB. The majority are .com with only a small percentage being .mobi. I have noticed a few more mobi's over the last few days as advertisers so I guess thats a good thing.

The problem with .mobi is relying on people to actually develop their sites and then the mTLD to start releasing the names from RFP, instead of just collecting non-refundable fees from people. Them holding that many names is what sours me to the whole thing. I for one feel that ICANN should ban the practice of any registrar from reserving names. All those generic names are worth a fortune and they know it. They could easily do a pump and dump and walk away with a significant amount of money.

Michael

 

[satsdifference.com]

There is a big, underlying difference to see

I honestly think that most sites and brands will run the same code on both the .com and .mobi versions of their name, with one redirecting to the other, and then detecting if its a mobile device or pc.

It is easier to brand one URL then multiple as in the end you are only going to confuse your intended audience. Just look at the list of advertisers on AdMOB. The majority are .com with only a small percentage being .mobi. I have noticed a few more mobi's over the last few days as advertisers so I guess thats a good thing.

The problem with .mobi is relying on people to actually develop their sites and then the mTLD to start releasing the names from RFP, instead of just collecting non-refundable fees from people. Them holding that many names is what sours me to the whole thing. I for one feel that ICANN should ban the practice of any registrar from reserving names. All those generic names are worth a fortune and they know it. They could easily do a pump and dump and walk away with a significant amount of money.

Michael

HI!

I think the reserved names is a good idea, or one rich guy coulda bought up everything generic.mobi and park so much.. in the future that likelihood becomes a greater and greater concern..

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What I am trying to illustrate, which is hard to see at the moment, is that there IS a difference between running the device detect and redirect on the .com and the .mobi..

It is NOT the same

The coding is the same.. but here's the difference..

.com exists today.. their information in on the PC web, and the FULL site can be accessible "on the go" with the advanced PDA's (but with scrollbars)

So what if you forced redirected me to a lesser information mobile site version on the .com if I really need my advanced PDA to see the whole site features, but just with scrollbars!

Don't jip me!

Example: Try going to Google.com on your advanced PDA.. you get forced redirected to Google.com/PDA - where you can NOT "2 click" to Adwords on-the-go like you can with a PC!

Now, with that said, most phones with internet worldwide are low end.. which is why the timing for DotMobi is critical..

And, .mobi content does not really exist yet.. so there is no "jip" effect.. doing the device detect and the redirect on the .mobi, the user gets the most he can expect from the "ground up".. See what I am trying to illustrate?

It's a complex math problem-like solution.. one I saw a long time ago with my advanced PDA.. there is a conflict on the EXISTING .com information ecosystem..

The .com role is rather confusing to get around this.. which is why the whole "why don't you do a device detect and redirect on the .com" movement by mobi naysayers has NOT flourished.. but stagnated relatively..

Dot Mobi doesn't have this problem because sites with the .mobi extension haven't existed until now.. so there is no preservation issue/conflict.



Kind Regards,

Yelo

 

[maxwellsmart]

".. not enough content to spur rapid adoption"

Obviously, the key to content is the major players, we are all waiting to see. google.mobi and yahoo.mobi in the ads. But for now, I think it is important to develop .mobi sites. If everone on this board were to develop half of his/her registered .mobi's it would help

We have all seen the 500,000 registered mark touted, but honestly, how many are dead ends or parked? Someday we may see an article saying ".mobi 500K registered and only XXXX real websites."

Interesting question. Can we make a difference?... or are we just at the mercy of the major players?

 

[satsdifference.com]

".. not enough content to spur rapid adoption"

Obviously, the key to content is the major players, we are all waiting to see. google.mobi and yahoo.mobi in the ads. But for now, I think it is important to develop .mobi sites. If everone on this board were to develop half of his/her registered .mobi's it would help

We have all seen the 500,000 registered mark touted, but honestly, how many are dead ends or parked? Someday we may see an article saying ".mobi 500K registered and only XXXX real websites."

Interesting question. Can we make a difference?... or are we just at the mercy of the major players?

Great concerns here,

I think, like voting, our site contributes to the ecosystem; but more importantly, I think our site is THE HOPE.. to make it bigtime right before the extension becomes bigtime.. remember, when corporations join the bandwagon and flip to .mobi, they could be our competition with much deeper pockets in our genre; so, the whole point is to try to make it now and asap..

with special sites.. and ideas.. I remember when a grassroots directory came out in the mid 90's called Yahoo.

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To further illustrate the important point above.. from a developer's standpoint:

1.) If you device detect and redirect on the Dot COM - Then, ALL visitors will be forced to see your mobile, lesser info, version site..

What if I have an advanced PDA though capable of seeing the full PC site with scrollbars, and I need to access the full features "on the go"?

2.) If you device detect and redirect on the Dot MOBI - Then, it becomes "to each his own".. you get the best site according to your own personal device capability..


Doing the device detect on the .mobi empowers the user, according to their device, with freedom - not a forced lesser info mobile version on everyone - The FULL Dot Com Information (PC Site) will need to be preserved for "on the go" access with scrollbars - by the rising, future advanced PDA!

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The difference "from the ground, up"..

This reason alone, is why I think in the future, .mobi will the the choice to access first (then, if someone wants to see the full, complete site version with scrollbars, if capable and not rendered already, they can click on the .com link from the .mobi site)

:tri:



Kind Regards,

Yelo

 

[circa1850]

They (.com and .mobi) will co-exist peacefully and happily.

I see .com being more a "stationary", per se, extension for the laptop and desktop PC.

.mobi is not going anywhere. It is here and it will succeed. I still am amazed at the number of people who can not grasp the simple fact that these are two formats and two fundamentally the same except for the format.

I do, however, see a threat in the .com with the emergence and the pushing of .cn by the Chinese government and now the .in by India. This is nothing to ignore.

As I have reported several times previously...China has made the claim that they will have more computers in the world than all others combined by the year 2009. In addition, they have also made it publicly known that they want more .cn in the world than .com. It is now surprise at all that they are practically giving away the .cn registration.

India soon followed China's lead by reducing prices and pushing the .in.

What has further given some bite to this is China ordering all their government offices and entities to stop using .com (in china) and use .cn. This is definitely a precursor to things to come. If you want to do business with or in China, you will do it the Chinese way.

Now, throw in this little bit of news...China is pushing the use of it's native characters and scripts...IDN. And, guess what. India did the same. What you are looking at is the number one and two most populated nations on earth beginning to take control of their own identity on the WWW...that's called the World Wide Web. Chinese, Arabic, Hindi, and Japanese language URL are the exception at the moment...for the present time.

These issues will greatly impact, effect, and have an affect on the internet and its usage in a very short time in the future.

Domainers can scoff at any of these notions. But that's what domainers do...argue and get into pissing contests about this being the best and not going away etc. Domainers can trade among themselves all day long like baseball cards and pat each other on the back and start the Mutual Admiration Society of domain owners. I have preached and preached a diversified portfolio and to treat your domain portfolio like a stock portfolio.

But smart business people won't scoff at this news. This is a global marketplace and economy. Why would change not come about? Again, when the number 1 and 2 populations and emerging economies make a change, it will impact if not dictate to all others. And that does and will include the internet.

The best advice I can give, if anyone wants it, is treat you domaining as a business. And to treat it as a business, stay in touch with and don't ignore the world out there around you. Keep up with the news and technology going on in the world. It takes only a few minutes a day to scan newspaper and periodical articles online or tech news. Think global. That is where your market is.

Me...I would rather not be part of the Mutual Admiration Society. I am an outcast. I am going in a different direction.

 

[satsdifference.com]

Great thoughts above!

Where does China Mobile stand, with Dot Mobi?


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I think this discussion has helped raise awareness of the current debacle of the .com redirect (mobi naysayers) movement..

An important challenge has been raised, how many .com mobile sites can you name with redirects to compliant low end phones and up?

I have recently cited that there is an abyss like division in the .com redirect movement which has stifled the mobile net growth.. one doesn't know whether to develop for a redirect for low end phones.. or cater to important access of the full site by advanced PDAs with scrollbars "on the go"

Looks like DotMobi has the sparkplug call on this one..
with existing content out there called .com ecosystem, it only makes sense that the new frontier will be Dotmobi from the "grassroots and up" as a brand from the one gang called Dot Mobi Business Consoritium afterall..

Is not everyone out there confused on this issue? HaHa! Do the math (my quadratic equation!)

Now, even the redirect on the .com to the .mobi site will get some important Dot Mobi believers.. but the solution isn't perfect lasting, because I tried it out on my advanced PDA.. and I can't see the whole pc site with scrollbars because of a FORCED redirect to a lesser mobile info version .mobi.

So yes this divide has cracked the .com mobile Liberty Bell "why don't you just do the device detect on the .com, no need for .mobi" movement..

World Solution - brand the mobi grassroots and up first; then, do a computer/pc site detect and redirect to greater info version.. the complete flip

Gotta be careful, so that no one will know.. :yell:

*FLIP*

Friends, I keep running.. walking around all body language game, yellow shirts.. now is the Dot Mobi gang in the house?

I surrender


Kind Regards,

Yelo

 

[acc]

Yes, I read with interest at the info about China and India promoting their respective country codes. It only makes sense to the biggest end user groups - their countrymen. The Germans get it (with .de). The Brits get it (with .co.uk). Two very successful cctlds.

Are these moves at the expense of .com? Yes they might be affected and knocked down a notch in those markets. But the whole internet "PIE" is growing and ever-expanding. Do not worry about dot com. It'll be okay.

You have to be aware of the other markets, but you should focus on those markets that you understand the best and where you do your business. What do I know about the Chinese market or consumer or language? Just about nothing. What do I know about the Indian market or consumer? Not much except that English is spoken there and as such .mobi english terms might serve that market also.

There is a lot of room and promise for cctlds in populous countries. Now if only the US market would become less .com-centric and embrace their own cctld. That will be nice.

-acc