Holo vs VR vs MR vs AR vs any other reality (All realities)

[VRdommy]

Intel Project Alloy - A Must Read
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3108...first-open-source-third-party-vr-headset.html

The pace of change with new VR product designs is about to increase exponentially.
And while this is one thing to move that along, it's not the only thing.

...MORE...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/intel-project-alloy-vr-ar-merged-reality

 

[Winfluence]

Virtual, Alternate, Cinematic, Cyber, Augmented, Hyper, Mixed and now Merged
.

You left out Trans Reality and Blended Reality

 

[Winfluence]

Magic Leap will blow HoloLens clean out of the water. Microsoft know this.

HoloLens costs $3,000 and they have incredibly bad FOV.

Magic Leap is the future beyond VR.

Just my gut feeling, but again it could be hype, just like I believe HoloLens has been hype.

Until we see a working model from Magic Leap, we don't know for sure.

However Lightfield tech beams directly into the eye, I take it there's no FOV issues there at least.

Agreed. They're going to try to take over the world. Based on some of their patents, they have plans as big as Tesla's. They're a bit overly ambitious IMO, but you wouldn't know it from their quiet behavior.

But then again it's also possible that they're making their patents as broad as possible to play it safe with their intellectual property.

They've also recently hired a 50 man team to work on VR, in Austin TX, strangely, because they're based in Fla.

 

[LucidDomains]

I'm really excited to see what Magic Leap has in store for us. They have received over $1.4 billion dollars in funding and as Google is one of their backers, I'm sure their product is not hype.

Google has some of the cleverest people in the world working for them. I'm sure they know what's coming by investing in Magic Leap.

 

[VRdommy]

Magic Leap will blow HoloLens clean out of the water. Microsoft know this.

HoloLens costs $3,000 and they have incredibly bad FOV.

Magic Leap is the future beyond VR.

Just my gut feeling.

HoloLens is designed for enterprise. Consumer is a bonus. I am not likely to buy one.
But it is a open hardware platform like Intel's so everyone will be making better ones as this gets moving.
But my sense is that a consumer HoloLens is going to fall to half of that to start.

Magic leap is better tech and good for them if they can make a consumer version before the 3rd gen of anything else and do so for less than 3,000 at that time.
They are a long way from home.
They are probably 2-3 years away from actually having a prototype that fits on your head .

You must be careful of very forward statements of those seeking venture capital.

What is a better tech, one that you can use or one you can only read about.
I wish it would come sooner but it's not going to happen.

Just a note, Magic Leap "first" called their tech Cinematic Reality.

 

[LucidDomains]

HoloLens is designed for enterprise. Consumer is a bonus. I am not likely to buy one.
But it is a open hardware platform like Intel's so everyone will be making better ones as this gets moving.
But my sense is that a consumer HoloLens is going to fall to half of that to start.

Magic leap is better tech and good for them if they can make a consumer version before the 3rd gen of anything else and do so for less than 3,000 at that time.
They are a long way from home.
They are probably 2-3 years away from actually having a prototype that fits on your head .

You must be careful of very forward statements of those seeking venture capital.

What is a better tech, one that you can use or one you can only read about.
I wish it would come sooner but it's not going to happen.

Just a note, Magic Leap "first" called their tech Cinematic Reality.

I believe HoloLens are using the "designed for enterprise" line to cover their asses. No business will want to use the device with that poor FOV.

http://winbeta.org/news/field-of-view-heres-what-youll-see-when-you-put-on-a-hololens

If they sorted out their FOV issue, I believe they could still be in the race, but from what I understand from the reports of their engineers, they are strugling to accomplish that.

I think their FOV is like having a 14" monitor 3 feet away from you or something like that.

Which enterprise business wants that?

You might be totally right about Magic Leap, yes they have their manufacturing plant set up, last I heard but who know's really where they are for sure.

However Disney has partnered with them if I recall correctly to do a Star Wars experience. Disney are not going to mess with their flagship entertainment product by choosing a poor device that is all hype in my opinion.

 

[Michael Ehrhardt]

 

[Michael Ehrhardt]

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[Elad n]

Well, microsoft are doing it the safe way. A lot of content and bug fixing is going on right now as well as working on next gen devices. As dummy mentioned they are working with a lot of partners on building more "mixed reality ready "devices and preparing their OS to handle those devices working together.
January and ces are coming and im sure we will see something new in their sleeve.
About magic leap, i also believe they are going to bring us something amazing (and personally waiting for the lightfield term to pick up with it )
There are rumors they are finally going to be in ces 2017 so i think 2-3 years from a prototype is not the right assumption.
The next 6-12 months are going to be very interesting in the mixed reality space.

 

[VRdommy]

I believe HoloLens are using the "designed for enterprise" line to cover their asses. No business will want to use the device with that poor FOV.

http://winbeta.org/news/field-of-view-heres-what-youll-see-when-you-put-on-a-hololens

If they sorted out their FOV issue, I believe they could still be in the race, but from what I understand from the reports of their engineers, they are strugling to accomplish that.

I think their FOV is like having a 14" monitor 3 feet away from you or something like that.

Which enterprise business wants that?

You might be totally right about Magic Leap, yes they have their manufacturing plant set up, last I heard but who know's really where they are for sure.

However Disney has partnered with them if I recall correctly to do a Star Wars experience. Disney are not going to mess with their flagship entertainment product by choosing a poor device that is all hype in my opinion.

Well I don't think the Disney partnership has anything to do with their beloved hardware.
The output from that is likely to be shown on a StarVR.
I think the lab is more of a GREEN SCREEN CINEMATIC AND CGI Production facility. But I do understand how people jump to conclusions from news like that.
$4.5B and only a few clips of video to show for it in the more than 5 years they have been at it.
Makes you wonder. Does me anyway.
I personally believe that most of the VC money is going into their Robotics lab for hardware contracts to the US government (NSA/DARPA/Pentagon). Not CVR. Google is also invested in that area in a major way.
That stuff does not make the top news, but it is out there if you look for it. Nobody was likely to find that out if it were not for a security breach earlier this year in ML's computers by employee's?(I don't believe that).
It is common knowledge that Google is working on the same and may be the heart of their investments in them. All that glitters is not gold, But you may get rich from shining it up (knowing more).

 

[LucidDomains]

http://fortune.com/2016/07/11/disney-ceo-bob-iger/

The Disney CEO also talked about some of the work the company has been doing with Magic Leap, the highly-valued startup that some believe has a compelling “augmented reality” technology that allows virtual characters and images to appear seamlessly alongside the real world. Although some believe AR might compete with movies and theme parks, Iger said he is excited about what such technology might allow.

“I stood in a room and they had Tinkerbell flying around and right up to me, looking untethered and extremely real,” the Disney CEO said. “So I’m excited about what technology can allow us to do with that kind of storytelling.”

Iger said that at its core, the company is “essentially a storytelling company that has embraced technology from the beginning to tell stories better, to more people and in more ways,” and that isn’t going to change regardless of what new technology becomes available. “We really see ourselves as a technology company,” Iger said. “It’s part of our culture.”

 

[LucidDomains]

When you have third party news sources rehashing the same old garbage, you need to take what you read with a pinch of salt. But when you have CEO of Disney explicitly talking about Magic Leap and some of the work the company has been doing together, it's a little bit harder to think this is BS.

You have answer straight from the source here.

 

[LucidDomains]

As for robotics Google own's Boston Dynamics and the last I heard they wanted to get rid of the company.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...put-boston-dynamics-robotics-unit-up-for-sale

 

[VRdommy]

As for robotics Google own's Boston Dynamics and the last I heard they wanted to get rid of the company.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...put-boston-dynamics-robotics-unit-up-for-sale

I would to if I had someone better to invest in the same field.

Well don't take what I said incorrectly. I hope they can deliver a consumer product at a fair price.
And I am certain that it is superior tech. I do know more about the fundamentals of how it works than most.

If you like to search for info, you can find the descriptions of the devices those folks had on their head.

But I am hopeful that they will indeed put something out there in the next 18-24 months. But I don't think most will be able to afford them when it happens.
Most especially with nearly complete 'proprietary components' made in the US.
We shall see when it happens. I would rather be wrong about it as it can only add to the value of names I already hold and other investments I have made in the industry sooner.

But of course it does bring into question the weight of MIXED REALITY.
Who will make the content. Will anyone be able to create it. Where are the dev's for it.
If it is to be viable in less than 18 months, you need content, and creators for it.
Intel's new Project will probably face the same issue.

I wonder when the first mixed reality name will sell for more than the cost of the device ?

 

[Elad n]

I would to if I had someone better to invest in the same field.

Well don't take what I said incorrectly. I hope they can deliver a consumer product at a fair price.
And I am certain that it is superior tech. I do know more about the fundamentals of how it works than most.

If you like to search for info, you can find the descriptions of the devices those folks had on their head.

But I am hopeful that they will indeed put something out there in the next 18-24 months. But I don't think most will be able to afford them when it happens.
Most especially with nearly complete 'proprietary components' made in the US.
We shall see when it happens. I would rather be wrong about it as it can only add to the value of names I already hold and other investments I have made in the industry sooner.

But of course it does bring into question the weight of MIXED REALITY.
Who will make the content. Will anyone be able to create it. Where are the dev's for it.
If it is to be viable in less than 18 months, you need content, and creators for it.
Intel's new Project will probably face the same issue.

I wonder when the first mixed reality name will sell for more than the cost of the device ?

Content is already being created for the hololens and magic leap will start working with outsource dsvelopers soon (just with nda)
You would be surprised whats going on behind the curtains of the MixedReality domain market..

With some of the premium MixedReality & MR names, people prefer to sit on them instead of selling now.

 

[Winfluence]

I went ahead and regged some Merged Reality names anyway. From what I've been reading, it sounds interesting.

I'm really excited to see what Magic Leap has in store for us. They have received over $1.4 billion dollars in funding and as Google is one of their backers, I'm sure their product is not hype.

Google has some of the cleverest people in the world working for them. I'm sure they know what's coming by investing in Magic Leap.

When you drop all the mystery and hype ML's has created a lens that uses light field technology. I'm not saying that what they've done isn't amazing or worthy of $1.4 billion, but in a nut shell, they are pushing for a very similar visual use case as Hololens. This puts pressure on them to stand out and meet their investors' expectations of being something exceptional.

 

[Elad n]

I went ahead and regged some Merged Reality names anyway. From what I've been reading, it sound


When you drop all the mystery and hype ML's has created a lens that uses light field technology. I'm not saying that what they've done isn't amazing or worthy of $1.4 billion, but in a nut shell, they are pushing for a very similar visual use case as Hololens. This puts pressure on them to stand out and meet their investors' expectations of being something exceptional.

the potential in either of them is enormous .

and about merged , i saw them all being regged in front of my eyes.

was curious how fast ill see porn &sex being regged , and then some others were gone.

i made my bets on other terms.

 

[LucidDomains]

When you drop all the mystery and hype ML's has created a lens that uses light field technology. I'm not saying that what they've done isn't amazing or worthy of $1.4 billion, but in a nut shell, they are pushing for a very similar visual use case as Hololens. This puts pressure on them to stand out and meet their investors' expectations of being something exceptional.

Absolutely. They might appear similar at first 'glance' to HoloLens, but their tech is trying to be 'leaps' and bounds ahead.

HoloLens is displaying visuals on a glass in front of the user if I recall correctly.

MagicLeap is beaming light directly into your eyes.

I'm sure they have a working bulky prototype, how else you to do raise $1.4 billion to wow investors. My bet is now they are working on reducing the size and other hardware considerations like battery life, heat issues, processing power etc.

 

[Elad n]

Absolutely. They might appear similar at first 'glance' to HoloLens, but their tech is trying to be 'leaps' and bounds ahead.

HoloLens is displaying visuals on a glass in front of the user if I recall correctly.

MagicLeap is beaming light directly into your eyes.

I'm sure they have a working bulky prototype, how else you to do raise $1.4 billion to wow investors. My bet is now they are working on reducing the size and other hardware considerations like battery life, heat issues, processing power etc.

Ive seen some reports on their work, talked with some former workers, and seen some leaked photos. They will not show us a bulky headset imo.
They are going to bring us a set of devices eventually.

 

[Winfluence]

the potential in either of them is enormous .

and about merged , i saw them all being regged in front of my eyes.

was curious how fast ill see porn &sex being regged , and then some others were gone.

i made my bets on other terms.

I also saw them being regged right before my eyes as you put it. It was pretty interesting. It's worth noting that Intel doesn't even plan on putting the headset on shelves for consumers. They want to license and open source their tech to other companies that could put the tech on the shelf for consumers. But that doesn't mean that the term won't be used. Microsoft is partnered to work with Merged Reality products from what I understand and will likely also use the term. I like the point of the technology is different in a particular way to other "realities" and it's not Mixed Reality as some have mistakenly compared it to. It's in some ways the reversal of Mixed Reality and a few other things.

I only invested in 5 Merged Reality names and will likely keep it at that number, because I agree that all of this is quite confusing, but again the description sounds specific and fascinating. Maybe I'll showcase my names if there's a new thread for it.

 

[Winfluence]

Absolutely. They might appear similar at first 'glance' to HoloLens, but their tech is trying to be 'leaps' and bounds ahead.

HoloLens is displaying visuals on a glass in front of the user if I recall correctly.

MagicLeap is beaming light directly into your eyes.

I'm sure they have a working bulky prototype, how else you to do raise $1.4 billion to wow investors. My bet is now they are working on reducing the size and other hardware considerations like battery life, heat issues, processing power etc.

I thought it was funny someone used the term "beaming" because all displays do that. The point is that it uses Light Field display tech, which is the only key difference that I've read about them. I think they're taking the mystery and allure and running with it, because it attracts more attention and investors. Meanwhile they are spreading their money into VR and robotics.

 

[Elad n]

I also saw them being regged right before my eyes as you put it. It was pretty interesting. It's worth noting that Intel doesn't even plan on putting the headset on shelves for consumers. They want to license and open source their tech to other companies that could put the tech on the shelf for consumers. But that doesn't mean that the term won't be used. Microsoft is partnered to work with Merged Reality products from what I understand and will likely also use the term. I like the point of the technology is different in a particular way to other "realities" and it's not Mixed Reality as some have mistakenly compared it to. It's in some ways the reversal of Mixed Reality and a few other things.

I only invested in 5 Merged Reality names and will likely keep it at that number, because I agree that all of this is quite confusing, but again the description sounds specific and fascinating. Maybe I'll showcase my names if there's a new thread for it.

Got MR to cover for that lol

 

[Winfluence]

Got MR to cover for that lol

Yeah, I was thinking about the conflict of having 2 MRs. I could be wrong, but am not sure if companies are really referring to Mixed Reality as "MR"...its mainly domainers and a small handful articles, so I focused my Merged Reality registrations on the full name rather than initials.

Like here for example, Intel doesn't use "MR", possibly to avoid any confusion.

https://iq.intel.com/what-the-tech-12-tech-terms-to-know-now/

Ultimately, if "Merged Reality" becomes a commonly used word, it could possibly affect the marketability of "MR" domains....because companies will want to avoid confusion. Not counting on Merged Reality to be a big hit just yet though.

 

[Elad n]

Yeah, I was thinking about the conflict of having 2 MRs. I could be wrong, but am not sure if companies are really referring to Mixed Reality as "MR"...its mainly domainers and a few articles, so I focused my Merged Reality registrations on the full name rather than initials.

Like here for example, Intel doesn't use "MR", possibly to avoid any confusion.

https://iq.intel.com/what-the-tech-12-tech-terms-to-know-now/

Ultimately, if "Merged Reality" becomes a commonly used word, it could possibly affect the marketability of "MR" domains....because companies will want to avoid confusion. Not counting on Merged Reality to be a big hit just yet though.

1)companies do reffer to Mixed Reality as MR, its juat not so common so they use mixed reality first (just like with Augmented reality and AR in a lot of cases. (Magic leap and Microsoft already confirmed Mixed Reality as MR)
2)as Mixed Reality is the bigger brother (the spectrum) i think it will be remembered while merged will be a gimick (VR device that uses merged reality tech)
3)i think it will be easier to spread the term mixed with windows 10&magic leap than Merged.

im pretty happy though i caught mixedrealityready.com

 

[IRON-MAN]

I thought it was funny someone used the term "beaming" because all displays do that. The point is that it uses Light Field display tech, which is the only key difference that I've read about them. I think they're taking the mystery and allure and running with it, because it attracts more attention and investors. Meanwhile they are spreading their money into VR and robotics.

Things are moving fast! Beam is a very brandable keyword for future tech companies.

https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/20...ing-service/#sm.001ivpmrh17dyddpsjv1u4kh689l3

 

[Winfluence]

1)companies do reffer to Mixed Reality as MR, its juat not so common so they use mixed reality first (just like with Augmented reality and AR in a lot of cases. (Magic leap and Microsoft already confirmed Mixed Reality as MR)
2)as Mixed Reality is the bigger brother (the spectrum) i think it will be remembered while merged will be a gimick (VR device that uses merged reality tech)
3)i think it will be easier to spread the term mixed with windows 10&magic leap than Merged.

im pretty happy though i caught mixedrealityready.com

I agree with all of your points, so there's nothing to debate about. I just don't have a crystal ball, so I regged 5 names to be on the safer side. I'm not even holding my breath for Mixed Reality to be honest, but all of this stuff is interesting and I'm probably going to dabble a little bit here and there in whatever is announced by a multy-billion dollar, major corporation..