Harness the Power! An Overlooked Area of Forum Potential

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"There is strength in numbers." In my opinion, this maxim sums up one of the most powerful assets that a forum has available for it's membership to tap into. The principle is simple and is the basis of networking.Two people can accomplish more than one person. Four can accomplish more than two, and so on. It is not unusual to see a group's collective energy at work here at NP- the threads in this board provide some good examples.. However, applying the strength in our numbers in a dynamic and organized way, for the purpose of enhancing the profit potential of the membership, is an asset that has, barely, been identified, let alone put to use.

Rather, than providing further analysis and explanation, (I will provide some more of that at the tail of the post), I will go directly to the point and demontrate how I can begin enhancing my, (and your), income potential utilizing the energy that the, sheer, size of our community offers if it is organized and focused upon a clearly defined project.

I intend to post threads that are designed for the, express, purpose of gathering information that will act as small "mini-data bases" that are defined by specific name groups. The threads will provide raw data that can later be organized into subject specific lists and used, on a limited basis, in statiscal analysis. The first thread topic will go under the descriptive, non- flowery heading: "Data Base- Stes Supported by "Made-Up" Domain Names", (or something to that effect).

This isn't anything new. The "Report Domain Name Sales Here" thread can perform, essentially, the same task.
True.However, there are some significant differences. My proposal,:
1) Expands upon the theme of the "Domain Sales..." thread and is aimed directly at collecting data that is specifically designed as a resource center- not as an outlet for showcasing name sales, per se.
2)Topic specific. How often have you seen the Domain Sales..." thread referenced to support a position? Have you ever drawn comps from the thread to support a sale?
3) Encompasses a broader spectrum- Websites that are conductiing businesses that are supported by a specific namespaces, for instance. .com Keyword domains that are being used as generic landing pages could be a flip side way of gathering info and data about a topic- or perhaps broaden it, at first. to include premium keyword and 3LL names. There are several possibilities- so many that, the list will need some weeding.

How does this tie into "income potential" ?
The data can be used to support sales presentations and promote a name group. Additionaly, the thread will provide category specific raw data and organized data that can be used to research a name group and would be useful for someone trying to make a decision about a tld, theme group or for someone who is planning out a registration strategy. A benefit that impacts but, does not have a direct effect on income, is that the information can also act as a reference to support a position with substantive material. Public opinion has an effect on income. Unsubstantiated arguments that have the ability to sway opinion will find it more difficult to find listening ears.

Will the threads stay alive? What will motivate people to become involved and continue posting links?
1) Self interest- One of the benefits of breaking the threads down by subject is that that they will attract those members who have a vested interest in the particular topic. People want a direct link between energy expended and benefits received. They will become involved and maintain their participation in building a data base that can help them in their sales and support their cause. Volunteer-based enterprises often fall by the wayside because the links between idea-action-and-results are to vague and undefined.
2) Good will. It isn't impossible to assume that members who don't have a vested interest in a subject will, also, contribute as they run across a website or bit of info that may be of interest to group *if* they are aware that there is an outlet for the information and *if* it is easily accessible.

Strengths, Weaknesses and No Panaceas

One of the drawbacks w/ the sales figure approach, however, is that drawing up a list of domain name sales that is comprehensive enough to reflect the big picture is no easy task. The most accesible sources for sales figures do an excellent job of fullfilling their mission their scope is limited. Pulling a list of .us sales off of DNJ, for instance, can show off some good .us sales, but it would be erroneous to base any general conclusions about .us domain sales based. solely, upon a list of names that are drawn from the high end of the marketplace. NP's "List Your Domain Name Sales..." thread represents a good start in the right direction, (and may one day evolve into a more comprehensive resource) but it, too, represents a narrow sampling and provides, only a partial view.

Creating a comprehensive list of active domains that are marketing company product, ("real websites"- landing pages, pointers and generic ppc directories don't count), in a namespace/category has limitations, (ie site quality and relative usefullness issues), but there is nothing inhibiting the compilation of a comprehensive list because everyone has fingertip access to the complete data base, right in front of them- the internet. Compiling a comprehensive list from a vast internet is, more than, a daunting task when looking at it from an individual perspective. The strength of numbers can help size the task down and make it more managaeable, particularly, if it is broken down into distinct subject categories.


More to come:
Individual threads or an organiztional framework for a group of threads?
A "Research Center" or "Data Base Center" topic area?
Defining the subject areas?
What info would you like to get your hands on?
What info is hard to come by?

Ideas, etc?
 
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Great concept here, and am more than interested in hearing more.
Are you talking about new forum catagories, or continued threads.....?
 
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I'm going to start a couple of threads in my interest ares. Of course other's are welcome to do some in their area of specialization. See how it flies and go from there. This would be a happenning thing if it took off- guaranteed. But it could also be a disappointment which, hey, wouldn't surprise me, all that much. If people can see that having a centralized location where other like-minded people are posting and building a db that support their area of specialization will enhance their position and sales presentations than it should take off. The info will look a little sparce at first, but 1,000, 2,000,5,000 posted links down the line it will start to look like something as lists are formed and various alalysis can be performed.

The questions to ask are:

Would this kind of info be useful to you? If not, don't join the club. or draw on the info but never contribute and be a leech.


If the info would be useful, think about how much easier and thorough it would be if 100 motivated people are pulling links to category specific sites ir sales figures, as they run across them and, save them as bookmarks to post them in 2o minutes or a day or two laterm into a thread, that was designed, specifically for the purpose of having links like those posted into them? ie. a "thread cum data base" where people w/ .us interests can post sales figures that they run across or another thread where links to "real".us websites, that are supporting real businesses, can be posted, for instance. The alternative for most of us, would be do it ourselves, (next to impossible) or staying w/ the narrow frame of reference limited by the time that we have to put into it gathering the data. Would you rather pool your efforts w/ others and have a db of 5,000 names, (and growing) for a base or do the recurring searches that we do seperately and the 3, 10, or 50 names that we pull, whenever we need them enough? Are you willing to shift a habit a, tiny,bit and put in some effort in as you see fit and when you are in the mode, in return for, access to a larger, fuller picture? Is it worth it? Or is continuing to work w/ a narrow, limited, sample and "guess your assumptions", still OK?

That's the heart of the matter.
 
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I'm all for giving this a try Michael. Lead the way.

RJ
 
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I think this sounds like a great idea. As you said, I am not sure how successful it will be, as it really depends on how much effort people want to put in it. If it works out, it would be a great asset for the future.

Tom
 
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Michael you are right on in a sense that is what the .tv subforum has done, people with a common interest focusing on one are and it definitely has worked. WINE GUY posted one thread on Video aggregation and now everyone interested working on finding articles and content.

I will take your idea a step further Michael and think it should be a topic subforum, I think there needs to be specialization, you are right on with your opening post I mean everyone here is interested in specific thinngs. A person should PM RJ saying I have interest in this and I will mod it .tv has worked well that way I am sure IDN will too. SO why not .us or .eu or Generic Keyword discussion. JMO Great idea Michael rep added
 
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equity78 said:
Michael you are right on in a sense that is what the .tv subforum has done, people with a common interest focusing on one are and it definitely has worked. WINE GUY posted one thread on Video aggregation and now everyone interested working on finding articles and content.

I will take your idea a step further Michael and think it should be a topic subforum, I think there needs to be specialization, you are right on with your opening post I mean everyone here is interested in specific thinngs. A person should PM RJ saying I have interest in this and I will mod it .tv has worked well that way I am sure IDN will too. SO why not .us or .eu or Generic Keyword discussion. JMO Great idea Michael rep added
I would like to have access to a dynamic, easily accessible data base for name specific information. I can't justify the inordinate amt of time that it would take to build it my self nor do I have the $ to pay others to do it for me. If there are 100 or, even, 10 people that would benefit from the same resources that would benefit me than, the concept will move forward. If not, I will build my own db for my own use. You gotta pay to play. It will be limited but better than the alternative. Frankly, I've grown weary of the unfounded claims and opinions posted at the forum that have limited, narrow or no information, at all, to back them up and am through with discussions that rotate around meaningless assertions. This helped galvanize the concept that I've presented.
 
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I don't understand how that was a reply back to what I stated totally lost and just furthers my belief to participate here less and less I was agreeing with your idea so not sure what was said that was narrow and meaningless
I've grown weary of the unfounded claims and opinions posted at the forum that have limited, narrow or no information, at all, to back them up and am through with discussions that rotate around meaningless assertions. This helped galvanize the concept that I've presented.
 
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Equity78, I didn't read that as a specific negative reply to your post at all.
I've grown weary of the unfounded claims and opinions posted at the forum that have limited, narrow or no information, at all, to back them up and am through with discussions that rotate around meaningless assertions. This helped galvanize the concept that I've presented.
This (I dont believe) was aimed at anyone in particular. Grrilla is a straight ahead enough guy not to mince words. I read it as frustration over some recent threads where totally baseless statments and outright lies have confused the issues to the point that we are not helping each other.
Taking a firm stance pro or con about the value of this or that and not backing it up with facts does not serve as educational information to the community as a whole.

And thats why I am here, to learn... and to give back what I have learned.

The concept of pooling information is not new, however domainers tend to be suspicious of each other for obvious reasons.
We are a virtual community. Few of us have ever met each other in person, played a round of golf, "done" lunch, or any of the kinds of things associated with common business practices in other industries.

Meet face to face. Shake a mans or womans hand. Look someone in the eye when conversing.

What he is proposing is outstanding, and nothing short of a huge (to quote a friend recently) "leap of faith".
I personally trust few people to keep my best interests in mind but I have no problem whatsoever getting behind something of this nature with Grrilla in the lead.
This will be done by him with or without us, thats the bottom line. Drilling down is what he is about.

I want in. I will gladly pool whatever is needed from my own personal research to the others that are also contributing in order to further this goal .

Peace,
Cyberian
 
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equity78 said:
I don't understand how that was a reply back to what I stated totally lost and just furthers my belief to participate here less and less I was agreeing with your idea so not sure what was said that was narrow and meaningless
Wow equity! I just got back home from a concert, was making some quick rounds, wasn't planning on posting and ran across your post. I, totally wasn't referring to you. The thought never even crossed my mind- forward, sideways or backwards. I was referring to members who are, chronically, putting forth opinions that have no basis or that are faulty, due to, selection bias.
(for readers unfamiliar w/ selection bias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias )

In other words, I am tired of trying to can all of the b~llshit that gers spread around and I believe that a well focused concerted effort to gather information and, than, organize it would be beneficial to all involved and would be very innovative for a forum, (that has the built-in manpower), to do so.

Your arguments and ideas are rational, well founded and well thought out. You are one of the members at NP, who's judgement, I respect the most and I am, really, sorry about this misunderstanding. With some of the sh~t that's been flying around here, lately, I can see where the post might have been taken the wrong way, however.

In my imagination, I envision domain name "interest groups" to be competitive amongst themselves because, the name categories w/ the most extensive "resource bases" would have the more, complete picture of their interest categories and would gain an advantage over the groups w/o a solid, viewable foundation to base their research, conclusions and decisions upon.
 
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Oh Ok Mike I just thought it weird that thatwas a post after I was saying I agreed. I think if RJ would allow people to sub forum it it might work even better. Because you are right when you have people contributing to a theme it works much better. I never really got anything accomplished just talking about .tv in a thread but the sub forum Brought people who were interested in that theme together and people have collaborated, given one another name ideas, technology ideas and it comes from a common theme. SO I thought If someone wants to head each theme RJ can sub forum give them mod credentials and they can make sure only the theme is discussed. SO Like a .us or a logonyms or a generic keywords in less popular cctlds theme you have to find enough people interested in each theme so it keeps getting bigger the so called KNOWLEDGE DATABASE. I think if it sits there as a sub forum people can on their own read the opening post and decide to join in adding to the sub forum. Or maybe one subforum that is called knowledge tank and people can start their own thread if a lot of sub forums is too much.
 
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equity78 said:
Oh Ok Mike I just thought it weird that thatwas a post after I was saying I agreed. I think if RJ would allow people to sub forum it it might work even better. Because you are right when you have people contributing to a theme it works much better. I never really got anything accomplished just talking about .tv in a thread but the sub forum Brought people who were interested in that theme together and people have collaborated, given one another name ideas, technology ideas and it comes from a common theme. SO I thought If someone wants to head each theme RJ can sub forum give them mod credentials and they can make sure only the theme is discussed. SO Like a .us or a logonyms or a generic keywords in less popular cctlds theme you have to find enough people interested in each theme so it keeps getting bigger the so called KNOWLEDGE DATABASE. I think if it sits there as a sub forum people can on their own read the opening post and decide to join in adding to the sub forum. Or maybe one subforum that is called knowledge tank and people can start their own thread if a lot of sub forums is too much.
I like your organiztional structure, agree that it represents the best way to do it, but don't if it would be better to structure it first and, than, fill it in or start with a few threads on the inside and let it grow out, into the structure. I'm a little fryed, ATM, (post-Mark Knopfler concert), so have gotta take a break. I'll be back tomorrow.
 
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I would like to have access to a dynamic, easily accessible data base for name specific information. I can't justify the inordinate amt of time that it would take to build it my self nor do I have the $ to pay others to do it for me. If there are 100 or, even, 10 people that would benefit from the same resources that would benefit me than, the concept will move forward. If not, I will build my own db for my own use.
I was thinking last month of setting up a free queryable domain sales database where people could enter their recent sales (big or small) and query based on keywords, domain length, extension, date, where the sale was made etc. I don't think that the site itself would take too much time to put together - could get something basic hacked together in a couple of days but my big worries were that:
a) people wouldn't contribute by adding their own sales data
b) people would enter rubbish into the database and that would make it worthless
c) I'd have to go through a ton of old sales data from different sources and enter it in to the new database.
d) there's already something like this available that I didn't know about.

I'm happy to set something up but I don't want to tread on anyones toes here at Namepros, duplicate effort or spend time creating something that people wont use.. I think having a system like this would definitely benefit people and make it much easier to find relevent sales information as well as allowing us to ask all kinds of questions eg. show me average price trends over time (eg. LLL/NNN/LLLL/NNNN prices), show me all .cc sales for the month of X - the possibilities are pretty much limitless.

Simon
 
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I like the idea and would definitely be interested in helping create/run such a project.

I'm not sure integrating it into NamePros as threads or subforums is such a good idea. It would be much better if it was in it's own database with a decent front end where you can search specifically for info such as price range, dates, category, extension, etc.

If it uses Namepros I don't think it'll work too well as you could see threads by extension but not really use any additional info to target the search. So basically you'd be left with what we have now only with more names being posted.

If we could report names into a database using extension, price range (<$50, 50-100, 100-200, 200-500, 500-1000, 1000-2000, 2000-5000, 5000-10000), date sold, category (generic, 3 letter, 4 letter, brandable), area (internet, shopping, sport) then you'd be able to search for a 3 letter .com, that sold between 2004-2005 to see what prices were like then.
You could search for generic .infos recently sold to compare them with yours.
You could even search for $400-500 .coms recently sold to compare them with what you are offering for $500.

If it is integrated into NP using this search function, your search would be too untargeted and would either return too many results or none.
Outside NP the domain could be entered with all the relevant info needed to make an searches only bring back the exact information you want to see.

I'm not saying this shouldn't be a part of NP, it definitely should (EDIT: part of NP but not using the actual forum as a database), just that it would essentially be worthless if you couldn't properly target your queries.
It would be almost exactly as the domain name sales thread is now. You can't reliably get info from that thread unless you go through every page or search for words like "computers" and hope that whoever reported it used that word in their post.
You wouldn't be able to search using price info either if it was integrated into NP. You couldn't use it to find out what recently sold for X in a similar area to your domains, or to accurately see how a specific market was currently performing.

I'd definitely be interested in helping create/run this but not if it was threads/posts. I think that would be a wasted opportunity and wouldn't really help anyone if they had to manually search through hundreds/thousands of posts looking for the info they need.

That's my opinion anyway.
This post hasn't been proof read so apologies for grammar, repetition, missing words etc. ;)
 
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Excellent posts, excellent points.
I began thinking about posting a thread where links to "made-up" names for websites supporting businesses would of posted, over a month ago. Though I was close to posting up the thread, 2 or 3 times, I held back, a) because I wanted to expand my list from 20 to, at least 50 entries to kick the thread of, b) i wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing something and c) as the idea grew in scope, I thought that some outside advice and input would help to refine and improve upon the kernel concept. Well, I can see that I thought right, something that all of the contributions to this thread have proven.
B33r said:
If it is integrated into NP using this search function, your search would be too untargeted and would either return too many results or none.
Outside NP the domain could be entered with all the relevant info needed to make an searches only bring back the exact information you want to see.

I'm not saying this shouldn't be a part of NP, it definitely should (EDIT: part of NP but not using the actual forum as a database), just that it would essentially be worthless if you couldn't properly target your queries.
I have given this problem some thought and, interestingly enough, last night, after I posted, my mind ran on how posts could aid in the process of compiling the data, in a meaningful way. If links were all that were being posted, wouldn't this be defeating the purpose of "harnessing the strength of numbers" if the raw data required rescreening- in essence, double or triple handling- to organize it to make it useful? Wouldn't it be a, much more. effective use of manpower if the links that were submitted were accompanied with information that would simplify the compiler's job? One solution, (and, as far as I have gone w/ it, up to this point), would be to establish a standard set of keys- (keywords, initials, or numbers)- that a poster would tag the link with- (ie establish a set of name categories, similar to a listing site's categories), and assign keys, (ie sp=sports, sftwr=software, cas=casino, etc.) that would accompany the link. This would capitalize on the "strength of numbers" at the front end and would provide the, obvious, benefit of streamlining the organizational process. The user interface and search scripts could be added to facilitate the usefulness of, and accessability to, the db when the sample became large enough to make the search results meaningful.

SJM211 said:
: I'm happy to set something up but I don't want to tread on anyones toes here at Namepros, duplicate effort or spend time creating something that people wont use..
(Someone, please correct me if I am wrong) but, outside of the obvious, (ie PM spamming to recruit members, direct conflicts), I don't believe that creating your own site would present any problems or would be frowned upon, by anyone here at NP. The major problem that I see w/ this approach is building a membership base that is large enough to build a comprehensive data base. I know a number of members who are operating excellent domain name service sites that offer specialized services that that go beyond the scope of what is available, at NP, or that are outside of the range of what would be expected of any forum, for that matter. Despite the excellent, user friendly services that these sites offer, the process of building up a membership base is a slow one and this may impede the effort. Even in an ideal situation, where there is a high level of participation from the population of an, already, sizeable, membership base, the process of building a db that is large enough to provide useful information and meaningful results is not going to occur overnight. Depending upon the level of involvement, the process could take a month, 6 mos or longer. In fact, I see, the lack of immediate results and instant gratification as being the major obstacle in getting this project off the ground, over the hump and into the stream.

I think that the approach that equity and others have taken w/ the .TV sub-forum provides an excellent model for this project and the results of interfacing a special-interest area with the forum and the success of the .TV forum, over a, relatively, short period of time- speaks for itself.
 
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I think establishing a NamePros "buyer's club" based on forum numbers would be a good idea.. with the number of members we have here, a buyer's club could garner some potentially good discounts if we bought in bulk!
 
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