.mobi Good interview with Pinky!!

[yoyosean]

http://www.domisfera.com/interview-pinkard-alan-brand-dotmobi-mobi-domains/

 

[thinking1]

Excellent find! Great interview. I especially like this quote:

"One such initiative among several we are working on right now is to default mobile device addressing and search queries to .mobi domains first. Another is T-Mobile has stated it intends to leverage .mobi within their "Web’N'Walk" and "Office in Your Pocket" strategy"

 

[yoyosean]

Good stuff

 

[nombre]

One such initiative among several we are working on right now is to default mobile device addressing and search queries to .mobi domains first

it's only a slight exageration to say that the entire future of mobi hinges on this simple issue ... will phone browsers default to mobi ??

they better not be using opera which will definitely NOT be defaulting to mobi (or apple i would guess)

 

[yoyosean]

you are incorrect sir. did .net require computers to default to .net?

 

[thinking1]

it's only a slight exageration to say that the entire future of mobi hinges on this simple issue ... will phone browsers default to mobi ??

they better not be using opera which will definitely NOT be defaulting to mobi (or apple i would guess)

Sorry I don't understand. Wouldn't it actually be better for Mobi if Opera browsers defaulted to Mobi? Although that won't happen because of Opera disliking Mobi it would still be a good thing. Not a bad thing.

 

[seanboy]

pinky.mobi

Neat site

 

[scandiman]

thanks for the post yoyo!

 

[GeoOwners]

pinky.mobi has a links to flowers.mobi...it's developed a bit...travelosa.mobi looks good too

 

[nombre]

you are incorrect sir. did .net require computers to default to .net?

no, it didn't ...

but if cell browsers don't default to dot mobi it will _considerably_ reduce the value of the mobi product

if cell browsers default to mobi, even people that have really nice dot coms will pretty much _have_ (if they are serious about the mobile space) to get a mobi otherwise their dot com will be a second class citizen in the mobile space

if, god forbid, the browsers (like opera and probably apple) default to dot com then anyone can enter the mobile space with their current dot com domain using software switching technology

dot mobi will end up as an also ran

the support of browser defaults and search engine defaults (google) to return a mobi name before a dot com is crucial ... imo

there really aren't all of the net / org /info us biz options in the mobile space

 

[yoyosean]

in order to reduce the value of the mobi product you are making the assumption that this is going to happen even though it has never been said that it was, it has been discussed as being an amazing feature.

I dont think that it will happen at all, however i do believe that Googles mobile search will make the .mobis preferred IMHO

 

[nombre]

I dont think that it will happen at all, however i do believe that Googles mobile search will make the .mobis preferred IMHO

amen to that

i can't believe that google, nokia and the rest would push for this domain so hard and then abandon support and preference at the search and browser default level, i just can't see it happening

they would be defeating the whole aim of mobi

also, as a lifelong apple fan and user of all of their products. i believe that iphone may well be one of their few failures

they are playing with the big boys now in a space that isn't theirs

and there is no way you can use a regular, non-mobile dot com on a mobile phone i don't care how much steve jobs has tricked out his iphone browser

 

[snoop]

it's only a slight exageration to say that the entire future of mobi hinges on this simple issue ... will phone browsers default to mobi ??

No they won't be defaulting, if you look at what he has said in past it i clear there are no plans for that, I don't see why "the entire future of mobi hinges on this simple issue".

Sorry I don't understand. Wouldn't it actually be better for Mobi if Opera browsers defaulted to Mobi? Although that won't happen because of Opera disliking Mobi it would still be a good thing. Not a bad thing.

Why would it be a good thing? Do you mean from a domainers prespective in terms of getting free traffic?. It wouldn't benefit websurfers.

 

[thinking1]

No they won't be defaulting, if you look at what he has said in past it i clear there are no plans for that, I don't see why "the entire future of mobi hinges on this simple issue".



Why would it be a good thing? Do you mean from a domainers prespective in terms of getting free traffic?. It wouldn't benefit websurfers.

For Mobi supporters and actually for regular web surfers on a mobile device, any browser that directs a user to a Mobi site is good.

 

[nombre]

No they won't be defaulting, if you look at what he has said in past it i clear there are no plans for that, I don't see why "the entire future of mobi hinges on this simple issue".

you're right, total hyperbole on my part

but, the reason that dot com is the most valuable domain is partly because it was the first to be really well known (i don't know if it was actually the first tld or not) AND if you type "car" into the address bar of many browsers, it would automatically default to car.com, this gave a tremendous advantage to dot com (i don't think, for example that laon.net would sell for 300K or whatever like laon.com did recently) typos make money because of browser defaults to dot com, right ?

if you pull out your mobile to order a pizza and you fire up your browser, you will probably go the address bar and type in "pizza", if that browser defaults to dot com instead of pizza.mobi then what is the real value of the mobi name?

if you say that the real value of the mobi extension is to educate the user to look for mobi sites, i don't think this is enough to compete with technology that is defaulted against the user, he doesn't want to be educated, he wants to order pizza

since i own dot mobi's i very much it to succeed, i can't imagine that any of the heavyweight mobi backers are going to do anything but make mobi the KING on their phones

 

[yoyosean]

my browser doesnt default to anything does yours default to .com?

.mobi is simply a brand, i think that is the way you have to look at it. If they get the mobile carriers to default to .mobi than that would be awesome, it gives them a way to seem like they are opening up the way with still "owning" their traffic and customers seeing as how they benefit from the extension being popular.

I think that instead of defaulting to .mobi they will provide heavier weight to .mobi sites in mobile search while at the same time mTLD will be doing some massive co-op advertising and marketing with the providers to brand .mobi into the end users minds.

if you want a full blown .com experience on your phone you will be able to get it i.e. flowers.com which will be bulky slow and an overall shotty experience if you dont want to be cluttered with dot com and you want something quick on the go thats relevant you go to .mobi that is how i think mTLD coexists in the marketplace.

 

[nombre]

i am on mac and my firefox 2.0 defaults to a google search and my safari 2.0 defaults to dot com

yoyosean, i agree with what you say

i would only add this, if the guy that owns weather.com (as an example) doesn't end up owning weather.mobi but decides he really wants to get his product on mobiles then he has to either buy a new weather related mobi i.e goweather.mobi or something OR he can just do what accuweather.com does and implement a script that serves content based on what device is calling for the page

weather.mobi has no advantage over weather.com if the browsers don't default to dot mobi, weather.com could become THE place to go for weather info if the browsers default is to dot com

if enough dot coms do this then users will be confused "is mobi the natural place to go for sites on my phone or not ?"

dot mobi will have lost whatever natural advantage it has by virtue of being "mobile friendly"

if, on the other browsers default to dot mobi and google returns only dot mobi sites on searches (or at least as the top results) them mobi is THE tld to have if you want to be in the mobile space, since all mobiles in the whole world will be accessing dot mobi, it could end up being more valuable than dot com by far

 

[snoop]

AND if you type "car" into the address bar of many browsers, it would automatically default to car.com, this gave a tremendous advantage to dot com (i don't think, for example that laon.net would sell for 300K or whatever like laon.com did recently) typos make money because of browser defaults to dot com, right ?

Which browsers? I think are wrong on all this, I remember this happening at one point in time (many years ago), but not now and it ceratinly wouldn't be a major reason for typo traffic. Browsers generally send the term through a search engine.

if you pull out your mobile to order a pizza and you fire up your browser, you will probably go the address bar and type in "pizza", if that browser defaults to dot com instead of pizza.mobi then what is the real value of the mobi name?

Any extension bias is a bad thing really.

if you say that the real value of the mobi extension is to educate the user to look for mobi sites, i don't think this is enough to compete with technology that is defaulted against the user, he doesn't want to be educated, he wants to order pizza

since i own dot mobi's i very much it to succeed, i can't imagine that any of the heavyweight mobi backers are going to do anything but make mobi the KING on their phones

It is sending people to somewhere they didn't intend to go, I can imagine defaulting to .mobi being as popular a popups and viagra spam.

google returns only dot mobi sites on searches (or at least as the top results)

Google wouldn't ever taint the free result like that, they can already detect sites which are customized for mobile devices. Imagine if google announced only .com sites would appear in their regular results, it would destory their business.

 

[labrocca]

Browsers default often to .com. And if you type in the url bar a keyword then press SHIFT-ENTER it will add www and .com to it for you. Opera defaults to .com as it should. IE just does an MSN lookup but normally I use the shortcut with SHIFT-ENTER to quickly go to the .com. Firefox DOES default to .com.

If the browsers defaults to .net then it would be .net that would be king. It's a poor argument that if mobile devices don't default to .mobi that it doesn't hurt the extension. mTLD themselves say they are working on getting this implemented. Which means if they fail to do it then a portion of their objectives are not met.

However...imho in light of the hype and market that has developed around .mobi it may at this point be unstoppable. mobi has the a hardcore following and sometimes that's all it takes. It doesn't have to make sense...it doesn't have to be the best...it just has to have believers. Myspace sucks compared to many other services yet it's myspace that rules the social sites.

Mobi like it or not has made serious inroads in a short amount of time. The $xxx,xxx sales are gonna keep coming for some time imho. Does that make every mobi domainer rich..NOPE. But does it give mobi the extended hype it will need to survive the next couple years...I think so.

That interview with Pinky Brand shows a lot of the problems with mobi yet I know if I say anything negative the mobi-fans will just argue. So I am not even gonna bother.

 

[nombre]

Which browsers? I think are wrong on all this, I remember this happening at one point in time (many years ago), but not now and it ceratinly wouldn't be a major reason for typo traffic. Browsers generally send the term through a search engine.

safari 2.0 for apple defaults to dot com

Any extension bias is a bad thing really.

i am sure the guy who owns sex.net agrees with you, no doubt the guy who owns sex.com doesn't agree

Google wouldn't ever taint the free result like that, they can already detect sites which are customized for mobile devices. Imagine if google announced only .com sites would appear in their regular results, it would destory their business.

this is from : http://blog.eucap.com/mobile/google_launches_mobile_web_sea.html

Google has just extended its Mobile web service, with amongst other things, mobile-web search. The mobile-web search page lists only true mobile-web pages; xhtml, imode or wap formats. Mobile phone users now see mobile-readable pages only. The service is a big improvement on the initial service which provided xhtml translations of normal web pages.

google is one of the prime movers of dot mobi, of course they are going to give mobi sites more prominence in search results from mobile phones, that's the whole point ... you are putting me on ... right ? i guess i'm taking the bait here