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If you read the news around the world or Google in the news with keywords "House prices" you may notice that many developed Countries have finally reached the top of this bubbled market.

After the Usa , from UK to Sydney , everyone is expecting falling prices from 10% to 30 % :


U.S. house prices could fall 30% to 35%

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=459918


Is now a good time to rent?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/apr/21/renting.houseprices


Sydney house prices predicted to fall by up to 30pc

http://www.news.com.au/business/money/story/0,25479,23508426-5013951,00.html


Welsh house prices fall at fastest ever rate

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news...ces-fall-at-fastest-ever-rate-91466-20768907/



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Interestingly enough a friend and I were having this conversation the other day. Yes..house prices are on the way down, but rent is on it's way up. Value of homes are falling, so those unable to keep up with the mortgage end up selling for a loss and taking a bath on the deal.

Meanwhile, various articles point to rental prices (in Australia anyway) going up and in the future possibly doubling. Not to mention interest rates soaring at a rate of knots.

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

If you can't pay the mortgage, then there is every chance you won't be able to pay the rent either. It's a lose lose situation for everyone, as the economy here, and worldwide, seems hellbent on driving people out of their homes, wether it be a mortgage or rental.

We concluded at the end of our conversation that the only people that are going to make money out af this are tent and caravan manufacturers. I know that sounds silly, but I don't think it's as silly as it sounds....lol
 
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Interestingly enough a friend and I were having this conversation the other day. Yes..house prices are on the way down, but rent is on it's way up. Value of homes are falling, so those unable to keep up with the mortgage end up selling for a loss and taking a bath on the deal.

Meanwhile, various articles point to rental prices (in Australia anyway) going up and in the future possibly doubling. Not to mention interest rates soaring at a rate of knots.

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

If you can't pay the mortgage, then there is every chance you won't be able to pay the rent either. It's a lose lose situation for everyone, as the economy here, and worldwide, seems hellbent on driving people out of their homes, wether it be a mortgage or rental.

We concluded at the end of our conversation that the only people that are going to make money out af this are tent and caravan manufacturers. I know that sounds silly, but I don't think it's as silly as it sounds....lol


Hi Jason,

thanks for your opinion :)

I`m personally very involved in this since my wife and I are desperate to make a decision regarding buying, wait or build. THe problem is we badly want our home asap.
Just yestarday we almost decided to buy but I felt that it was not right.

Yes, here in Australia the situacion is crazier than anywhere since there is a booming increasing demand for rentals and also in SA, where I am, it`s even worse because supply is very little.

What do media says about here:

"Australia has the most expensive housing in the world which is an odd thing to consider when you consider the size of this country and the relatively few people who live within it, so to have such expensive housing is not good for our society, some levelling off of this nature is very welcome to most people."

And I totally agree on that...damn it...there is so much space here compared to Italy for example....just release more land!!

The problem is that all this is nothing new here, read this which is from December 2005:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/house-prices-world-highest/2005/11/30/1133311106610.html

And then have a look at this which is very recent:

http://business.smh.com.au/tread-wa...he-dream-of-home-ownership/20080411-25l2.html

You can find the pretty interesting reports and graphs from Anthony Richards here:

http://www.rba.gov.au/Speeches/2008/sp_so_270308.html


And more warnings for Australia:

Even in Victoria they expect 30 % fall:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23566323-2862,00.html

Buyers scarce despite house shortages

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...house-shortages/2008/04/18/1208025479592.html


Housing prices are likely to fall

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23526425-5001942,00.html


Perth House Prices Fall Most in Decade, Australian Review Says

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=aZSbwTHXhua0&refer=australia

This recent graph shows quite well the Bubble in Australia:


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italiandragon [B said:
"Australia has the most expensive housing in the world which is an odd thing to consider when you consider the size of this country and the relatively few people who live within it, so to have such expensive housing is not good for our society, some levelling off of this nature is very welcome to most people."[/B]

Australian real estate is the most expensive in the world when adjusted to median household incomes.

Australia had the dubious mantle of having the world's most expensive real estate on an adjusted basis, followed by New Zealand.
 
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Florida overflooded with new condos:

http://www.huliq.com/57444/florida-real-estate-inventory-5year-condo-glut


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This article explain quite well how the americans have turned the housing market in a stock market playgame and like in 2000 for the stocks...it seems 2008 is for housing.....coincidence of leap years of just because of election years?


http://www.startribune.com/local/west/17958114.html

Housing bets gone bad


Wright County was a haven for speculators -- until they got burned in the downturn.

By CHRIS SERRES, Star Tribune

Last update: April 21, 2008 - 10:05 AM


FROM BOOM TO BUST

About this series: Just two years ago, Wright County epitomized the American dream of home ownership. Young families went there in droves, attracted by the cheap land, good schools and bucolic neighborhoods. But today, that dream is unraveling, as foreclosures rip through Wright County neighborhoods at a rate of 23 a week. What happened?

Sunday: Plummeting home values means some families are trapped, unable to refinance, sell or make ends meet.
Today: Speculators helped drive the boom in Wright County โ€” and the bust.
Tuesday: Towns welcomed the development with new schools and wider roads. Now theyโ€™re paying the price.
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Every so often, his workday over, Bradley Collin Jr. steers his Taurus station wagon out of his driveway and onto the flat, windswept roads near his Andover home. ยถ Then Collin gets to thinking about his debts, and the decision he and his wife made three years ago to invest in a get-rich-quick real estate scheme in Wright County. Last year, four houses that he bought in Otsego -- for a combined $1.2 million -- sank into foreclosure.

Collin presses on the gas pedal, pushing his car past corn fields and grain silos, at speeds that top 70 miles per hour. "It's my way of unwinding and outrunning the guilt," said Collin, 27, a self-employed painting contractor and father of three.

In the rush to find blame for the nation's current housing crisis, the easiest targets have been the lenders and mortgage brokers who peddled predatory loans.

But across the country, from the desert suburbs of Las Vegas to the treeless subdivisions of Wright County, many homeowners face a predicament of their own making.

They gambled big that housing prices would continue to shoot up. Some bought homes as often as others buy new jeans, occasionally in return for thousands of dollars in kickbacks. These investors ranged from small-town working people looking for a quick payday to sophisticated real estate professionals who bet with other people's money, occasionally defrauding lenders in the process.

Now, with home prices falling and mortgage payments rising, panic has set in. Investors are dumping houses on the market before prices collapse further, or simply turning the keys back to the lender. That, in turn, is dragging down values for even longtime homeowners, wiping out the equity they'd built up over the years.

In Wright County, the number of unsold houses on the market has swelled to more than twice the national average. Officials estimate that up to half of all houses that have gone into foreclosure during the past year are owned by investors.

"You had people buying houses here that they have never even seen," said Dean Zachman, a sales agent for Edina Realty in St. Michael. "They took bets that, in hindsight, seem reckless."

The missing gold chandelier

There are absentee homeowners in every corner of Wright County, from Albertville to Montrose. The percentage of houses in the county classified as "non-owner-occupied," including second homes or investment properties, has grown fourfold since 2002, according to First American CoreLogic, a mortgage and real estate data company in Santa Ana, Calif.

And while lenders are left holding the unpaid loans when the investments go sour, the effect is felt across the county. In subdivisions such as Otsego Preserve, where investors owned most of the houses, homeowners have seen their values decline by up to 50 percent in the past year.

Bruce McAlpin, a real estate agent with Edina Realty in Monticello, said he was asked several months ago by a lender to evaluate a house in the early stages of foreclosure, in a new housing development called Norin Landing in Otsego. He estimates the house is worth $500,000, though an investor bought it in 2006 for $1.375 million and never lived in it. "I'm still looking for the gold chandelier, but it's not there," he said.

Many of these investors are hardly the struggling home buyers portrayed as victims of the nation's foreclosure crisis. Some lent their credit and their names to builders who simply wanted to unload their inventories of unsold houses, a scheme dubbed "builder bailout plans."

"Once regular people stopped buying houses, builders had to create their own market," McAlpin said. "They preyed on people who weren't savvy real estate investors."

Norm Imholte, a truck driver from Freeport, said a builder paid him $50,000 for agreeing to buy a $425,000 house in St. Michael. The builder told him the house would be sold within 30 days and Imholte wouldn't have to worry about making a payment.

HOLY.... DOWN TO ALMOST 50% OFF !!!!
http://www.startribune.com/newsgraphics/17923504.html


Check property for sale at $161,900....its original sale price in 2006 was $289.900 !!! D-:

And more about that town, it worths the reading!!!

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/17932454.html


Part 1: Minnesota's new ghost towns

In Wright County, reckless speculation and the mortgage meltdown have turned subdivisions into virtual ghost towns.

By CHRIS SERRES, JIM BUCHTA and GLENN HOWATT, Star Tribune staff writers

Last update: April 21, 2008 - 10:07 AM


For a brief while, as Crystal Colvin handed out lemonade to the sweaty hopscotchers on her front porch, it seemed like a picture-perfect afternoon at the Colvin house in Albertville.

But inside, the atmosphere was tense.

Jon Colvin, 38, a telephone network technician and father of six children, had just informed CitiFinancial that he would be unable to make his March mortgage payment, and would probably miss April's, too. He hoped the news would finally scare the bank into renegotiating a mortgage he can't afford for a house he can't sell -- and now wishes he had never bought.

"It's not something I feel proud doing," Colvin said of missing the payments. "But how else am I going to get the bank's attention?"

The reckoning inside the Colvins' four-year-old home is playing out at kitchen tables and corporate boardrooms across Minnesota -- and the world. For the first time in decades, U.S. home values are plunging, dragging economies around the world down with them.

The roots of that financial crisis can be found in places like Wright County, where the combination of affordable land, cheap money and boundless optimism lured builders and families chasing big homes in the kind of brand-new subdivisions they thought were beyond their reach.

The county's population swelled nearly 30 percent in the past decade. Home prices seemed to climb with each arrival, making everyone feel rich.

But the boom has unraveled as quickly as it began. While many established Wright County neighborhoods have avoided the worst of the housing market collapse, the county ranks as one of the state's worst areas hit by foreclosures. Pockets of this county, about 30 miles northwest of the Twin Cities, have seen home prices fall 30 percent or more in the past year.

Families such as the Colvins are trapped in homes worth far less than what they paid. Speculators, who helped fuel both the boom and its collapse, are also stuck, their get-rich-quick properties now money pits.

Meanwhile, cities and townships such as Buffalo, Otsego, Albertville and St. Michael, which were in the throes of building schools, roads and expanded water-treatment plants to match their growing populations, are left with big bills and the prospect of a dwindling tax base.

There are few trees or hills in this flat, predominantly rural county to obscure the evidence: Rows of vacant and unfinished homes, often with lockboxes on the front doors and foreclosure notices taped to the windows. Realtors call them "see-through houses," so empty of furniture and curtains that it's possible to see right through them.

"Based on what I see out here, we're headed for the Great Depression," said Dan Frie, a sales agent with Wright Sherburne Realty in Monticello, who has been in the business nearly 30 years.

While Frie blames fraud for exacerbating the problem, many of the mortgages that are in default are held by people who believed -- as many did and as the real estate community told them -- that real estate doesn't lose its value.

"And just because the national economy recovers doesn't mean that our local economy will recover, and that's what I'm worried about," Frie said.

Creameries to communities

Wright County is close enough to the Twin Cities to invite sprawl yet still rural enough that it's easy to miss new developments, with evocative names like Sundance Ridge and Rodeo Hills.

The county was settled by first- and second-generation German families that operated small dairy farms and delivered their milk to area creameries. After World War II, many of these farmers began working second jobs to make a living.

As the highways got closer, they began selling their land off to developers.

By the late 1990s, with the Twin Cities suburbs filling fast, Wright County was a bargain for developers. In sleepy rural communities like St. Michael, land could be had for less than $10,000 an acre -- just a quarter of prices closer to the Twin Cities.

"The land was inexpensive, the community was cooperative and it was just a 10-minute drive past Maple Grove," said Hans Hagen, a Fridley-based home builder and developer, and one of the first to reach into Wright County. His pitch to lure buyers: "Drive 10 minutes and save $10,000."

And buyers did. In St. Michael, the largest city in Wright County, almost 1,600 single-family houses, townhouses and condominiums were built between 2002 and 2007. In Otsego, almost 2,200 units were built during the same period. The county's average sale price jumped from $180,102 in 2001 to $234,009 in 2007, an increase of 30 percent. In Albertville, the gains were even sharper: 43 percent.

"In 2005, my dog could have sold real estate in Wright County," Frie said. "A lot of people thought this was the next big growth market, and they wanted to be part of it."

Buyers said they were lured by easy credit -- often from aggressive loan officers who looked past their checkered credit histories and unstable income. Many of these loan officers worked for the financing arms of local builders, which had a vested interest in getting the houses sold regardless of whether people could afford them, real estate agents said.

Subprime mortgages, which charge higher rates to riskier borrowers, proved especially popular. In Wright County, the percentage of homes purchased with subprime mortgages doubled from 13 percent in 2004 to 26 percent in 2006 -- two and a half times the rate in Minnesota as a whole.

When the bottom fell out of the housing market, many homeowners found themselves in a virtual equivalent of debtors' prison, unable to refinance loans that are now larger than the value of their homes.

"A lot of people out here feel trapped," said Dave Petersen, an agent with Keller Williams in Elk River, who has sold numerous houses in Otsego and St. Michael. "They were enticed by easy credit to buy houses that were never worth what they thought they were worth."

Ghost town subdivisions

Newly married in 2005, James and Angela O'Hara, 25, fell in love with a tidy two-story townhouse in St. Michael with a brick faรงade, wood floors and stainless steel appliances. The townhouse was to be part of a mixed-use project called "Town Center of St. Michael," which was designed to be a walk-about community with an urban feel.

A real estate agent urged the couple to buy early, noting that other buyers would bid up prices by 5 to 10 percent once the rest of the project became reality. The couple were shown idealistic renderings of the project that featured narrow streets and small storefronts mixed in with housing and offices.

"They sold the vision as much as the house," James said. "They said it would be this bustling neighborhood with all these attractions just a block away. We never imagined it would lose value."

But the vision never materialized.

Builders began pulling out of the project two summers ago, after the housing market collapsed. The shops and restaurants have been slow to arrive, though construction of a retail building is expected to begin next month.

"Everyone counted on the new residents [in the townhouses] to make it succeed," said Gary DiPilato, a sales agent with Darkenwald Real Estate, which is responsible for commercial land sales and retail leasing on the project. "Retailers need bodies to come in."

Instead of living in a bustling urban village, the O'Haras look out on a field of weeds and townhouses with "Bank Owned" signs posted on their front doors. Several of the townhouses are clad in Tyvek HomeWrap, their brick facades still unfinished.

The O'Haras need to move out of their townhouse by next summer, when James, a staff sergeant in the Marine Corps, reports for officer's training in Virginia. But the couple fear they won't be able to sell the unit for enough to repay the $190,000 mortgage. "It's become a huge albatross around our neck," James said, as he walked their dog, Oscar, through knee-high weeds in a field behind their house.

There are several ghost town subdivisions like the Town Center of St. Michael across Wright County.

The county is on pace to have a record 1,080 foreclosures this year, up 43 percent from a year earlier. That total is more than all the new houses built in fast-growing Albertville during the past six years.

In Otsego there are 138 vacant houses. The vast majority are located in subdivisions built within the past five years. "The newer the project, the harder it fell," said Bruce McAlpin, an agent with Edina Realty in Monticello.

In Otsego Preserve, a new housing project just a mile north of Interstate 94 in Otsego, more than half of 128 houses are vacant, according to city officials.

Some houses in the subdivision have been empty or unfinished for more than a year. Garage doors are missing, unopened mail clogs mailboxes, and dormant lawns have turned into tangled masses of weeds. Some homes are priced for $80,000 to $100,000 less than their original price.

"A lot of the prices that people were paying for property in Wright County had no basis in reality," said George Schmidt, a real estate agent with Remax in Anoka. "They were destined for foreclosure."

The good life gone awry

Not far from Otsego Preserve, a real estate developer and two investors spent $1.5 million preparing 350 acres of farmland for an ambitious new "master-planned community" called Martin Farms, which was to include up to 400 homes priced between $350,000 and $550,000. They installed a swimming pool, clubhouse, several gazebos, soccer fields and walking trails. A large sign invites passersby to "Step Up to the Good Life."

But 18 months ago, after the initial houses didn't sell, the national builders who bought many of the lots in Martin Farms pulled out. Though all the amenities are still there, few people are living in the subdivision to enjoy them. The 30 houses that were built are now on the market for as low as $200,000 -- about half the original asking price.

Jeffrey Schoenwetter, chief executive of JMS Homes in Eden Prairie and one of the investors in Martin Farms, said 400 houses didn't seem excessive when the project was hatched in 2004. The project kept growing in size, he said, based on demands from builders.

"When you have 10 builders come to you and say, we want to buy 10 lots a year, and then Mr. Builder says, 'I have five friends that want to come, too, could we have 100 lots?' Then I said, 'OK, I'll develop 100 lots.'"

Added Schoenwetter: "Builders were part of the problem. They kept moving forward when the wheels on the machine were wobbling and the tires were about to blow."

As recently as last year, after the housing market had already shown signs of weakness, developers were throwing six-figure parties to market their projects.

In the spring of 2005, more than 150 real estate agents showed up for a party to showcase new upscale homes at the Riverwood National Golf Course in Otsego. So many agents wanted to list the new houses, which were priced at up to $800,000, that a line of parked cars stretched a half-mile through the golf course.

Today, about one-third of the 74 houses and townhomes in Riverwood National are vacant or in foreclosure. Empty lots bought for $139,000 or more sit vacant next to golf greens.

Laurie Karnes, a real estate broker who specializes in selling undeveloped land in the Twin Cities, blames today's problems on greed and a failure to acknowledge that the good times wouldn't last forever.

"Logic would have told you, why would you build there?" Karnes said of some of the county's overdeveloped communities. "But logic wasn't fueling this craziness."

No one to bid

In a sign of just how depressed the housing market is in Wright County, almost no one shows up for the sheriff's auction of foreclosed homes held each morning in a tiny room with faded carpets in the Wright County courthouse in downtown Buffalo.

The home's owners and the occasional investor used to crowd into the room to bid on their property. But these days, the only bidders are representatives of lenders that own the mortgages. The auctions typically last no more than a few minutes.

In the past four months, 86 percent of the homes sold in Wright County were bank-owned and 7 percent were "short sales," or deals that were negotiated by homeowners who owed more than the house was worth, according to calculations by Frie.

And those cut-rate deals are undercutting values of houses throughout the county. "The values we're putting on houses is equal to what they were five years ago," he said. "And [homeowners] can't compete with lenders who are discounting them."

Wanting out

The Colvins have considered selling their house to avoid a foreclosure. But based on recent sales in their neighborhood, the couple estimates that the most a buyer would pay for their house is $250,000, not enough to pay off the couple's $330,000 mortgage after two refinancings.

The Colvins say they were lured to buy their home, in a newer subdivision in Albertville called Heuring Meadows, by a mortgage broker with First Priority Mortgage in St. Michael. The broker, Paul Reese, said they could get around Jon's poor credit record with a higher-interest loan, which they could refinance after six months. By then, the property would be worth even more, so they could even take some equity out of the home and pay off some bills.

But the bank wouldn't refinance, and with some missed payments, the couple's interest rate stands at 10.5 percent.

Reese said the refinancing plan he worked out with the Colvins might have worked had the couple stuck to his instructions. "Unfortunately, in this market, it seems like people are looking to blame whomever they can for their own mistakes," said Reese, who has since closed his mortgage company.

The couple have spent the past six months trying to negotiate a new mortgage with their lender, CitiFinancial, but the bank said it is focusing on borrowers with more serious problems. Jon, who's working a second full-time job at night and on weekends, decided to stop making the payments and put the money in a savings account.

"It's a sad state of affairs when you have to miss a payment to get the bank to return your telephone calls," he said.

Hilary Brueck, a University of Minnesota student reporter on assignment for the Star Tribune, contributed to this story.

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Ahhh... wall of text.

We're simply in a bust right now. Most developed countries run a boom / bust economy, in which once there's a huge bubble, it pops and starts all over.

Eventually (I'm predicting by this Winter) the housing market will bottom out and begin to rise again.
 
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ApeXX said:
Ahhh... wall of text.

We're simply in a bust right now. Most developed countries run a boom / bust economy, in which once there's a huge bubble, it pops and starts all over.

Eventually (I'm predicting by this Winter) the housing market will bottom out and begin to rise again.

While I agree with you on the first part of your reply, I invite you to read more and notice that if it takes several years to create a BUBBLE, usually it takes much more than just 1 year to re-start the circle.
 
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italiandragon said:
While I agree with you on the first part of your reply, I invite you to read more and notice that if it takes several years to create a BUBBLE, usually it takes much more than just 1 year to re-start the circle.

It may take years to create a bubble, but not to begin forming one. While it could take longer, I believe by this winter you will see a major increase in home purchases, mainly due to houses becoming so inexpensive. Demand will subsequently increase and the circle will begin to restart.
 
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Buy NOW! Thats all i got to say!
 
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The crash had to come, it was just a question of when. It's hard to see people being affected by the crash, but for some reason many people are happy to take on a mortgage based on a large multiple of their salary, fuelling demand and heady market conditions, when they would have been better advised to keep saving for a larger deposit. Oh well.
 
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Hopefully there is a big crash since Im buying at the moment! Some of the prices in my part of town are literally insane. The cheapest 1 bedroomed flat I found was roughly ยฃ100,000 ($200,000) and the mortgage repayments for a student such as myself, are pretty unmanageable. Im pretty lucky to earn a fair bit from domains and even considering buying a place, but my friends are going to have absolutely no chance.

15 years ago, my parents bought a 4 bedroomed house for ยฃ80,000 ($160,000). Now its worth close to ยฃ500,000 ($1,000,000). Now my first purchase is going to be around ยฃ20,000 more for a 1 bedroomed flat than what they paid for a 4 bedroomed house back in the nineties.

In saying that, Scotlands prices are still increasing according to the media. 5.3% in the last year
 
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kev said:
15 years ago, my parents bought a 4 bedroomed house for ยฃ80,000 ($160,000). Now its worth close to ยฃ500,000 ($1,000,000). Now my first purchase is going to be around ยฃ20,000 more for a 1 bedroomed flat than what they paid for a 4 bedroomed house back in the nineties.

In saying that, Scotlands prices are still increasing according to the media. 5.3% in the last year

That's quite different from here in the US. Many people here can't afford their mortgages so their either selling their house really cheap or foreclosing. Either way, new home buyers are getting a great deal.
 
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ApeXX said:
That's quite different from here in the US. Many people here can't afford their mortgages so their either selling their house really cheap or foreclosing. Either way, new home buyers are getting a great deal.


Great deal? Based on what? USA are moving towards a recession and american families keep increasing their debt.
 
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Personally I do not mind if house prices come down all through the range 10 or 15%. The UK market is stupid where first time buyers cannot get on the ladder, no-one can move.

I have been reducing my mortgage to where it is little more than 10% of the current market value of my home. My equity may take a hit, but my next home may be that bit cheaper.

The people hardest hit will have been those refinancing to extract capital from their house and have 90% or more in mortgages.

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I'm your friendly NP REALTOR :). If you are planning to stay more than 3 years then go ahead and buy. We have seen residential lease prices go up 25% in the last 10 months and going higher every month.

Unless you are planning on moving in with your parents you will have to pay to live somewhere. IMO prices won't stabilize for another 18-24 months. At the rate apartment rent and residential leases are increasing you will be money ahead to buy now.
 
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italiandragon said:
Great deal? Based on what? USA are moving towards a recession and american families keep increasing their debt.

I find it rather insulting when non-Americans think they know what's going on here. While there is an obvious housing bubble don't pretend as if you know the American market or American families.

The resiliance of the USA is amazing and we are the #1 economy in the world. Don't you forget that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

America is 20% of the entire worlds GDP.

America is the #1 importer in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_imports

That means if we stop buying ....the WORLD economy collapses.

I can spend as much as I want...I can rack up thousands..hundreds of thousands in debt...and guess what...it doesn't matter. Debt is a joke. Country debt is an even bigger joke. Money is fictional. When it comes down to it...we can just tell people to screw off and not pay. It's like collectors that call...you just laugh at them and hang up.

Bah...
 
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labrocca said:
I find it rather insulting when non-Americans think they know what's going on here. While there is an obvious housing bubble don't pretend as if you know the American market or American families.

I agree completely. :tu:

Although I don't agree with everything you said, I've been meaning to make a post similar to yours in regard to a lot of "ItalianDragon's" posts. When he's not insulting Bush or the US, he's attempting to tell us how to handle our financial problems. I don't know why he feels it necessary to constantly insult US citizens, however I find it really annoying.

Great deal? Based on what? USA are moving towards a recession and american families keep increasing their debt.

In America, the housing market is in a slump largely because housing prices have dropped so rapidly. Kev described how the housing prices in Scotland have increased greatly, a situation very different from in the United States.
 
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I was reading an article in the Scotsman a few days ago and it said Scotland and the rest of the UK follow US house prices with a 1 year lag? Maybe we'll see the effects a few months down the line. Only time will tell.

The banks are primarily to blame for allowing people to purchase with no money down. If you haven't put any equity in to your house, will you stick around to pay a mortgage that is larger than the value of your home? Not likely!
 
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Seemingly smart people make mistakes when they gamble on future promised values and potential income and live beyond their means. The economy is like the game of musical chairs, when the music stops, some will find themselves without a place. It is sad but true.
In an economic downturn such as this with home prices falling and rents rising someone considering buying a home might be wise to get one with a garage suitable to conversion as temporary living space and rent the house to pay the mortgage or vice-versa until such time situations improve.

There is a bit of my advice and now I seek some in return relative to this forum. Could this be a wise time to market <norepo.com> and what mighht it be worth?
 
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ApeXX said:
I agree completely. :tu:

Although I don't agree with everything you said, I've been meaning to make a post similar to yours in regard to a lot of "ItalianDragon's" posts. When he's not insulting Bush or the US, he's attempting to tell us how to handle our financial problems. I don't know why he feels it necessary to constantly insult US citizens, however I find it really annoying.



In America, the housing market is in a slump largely because housing prices have dropped so rapidly. Kev described how the housing prices in Scotland have increased greatly, a situation very different from in the United States.


I`m sorry that you misunderstood my posts but if you see anywhere that I insulted American citizens in your eyes, then please send me a PM about it because sometimes it may be my English which is far from being perfect.

Regarding Bush, you need to respect my opinion and it seems that about 70 % of Americans NOW agree with my opinion regarding him. Ask to yourself: I`m not there, I don`t gain anything from one political side winning or losing, and on top of that Bush has finished (thanks God!) to be in the White House with this year, so why would I try to be unfair?

Regarding Scotland, it is proven that some local places do not necessarily follow the rest of the World and it may also be that Scotland`s prices did not increase much in the past years while in London they were already bubbling. Maybe?

labrocca said:
I find it rather insulting when non-Americans think they know what's going on here. While there is an obvious housing bubble don't pretend as if you know the American market or American families.

The resiliance of the USA is amazing and we are the #1 economy in the world. Don't you forget that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

America is 20% of the entire worlds GDP.

America is the #1 importer in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_imports

That means if we stop buying ....the WORLD economy collapses.

I can spend as much as I want...I can rack up thousands..hundreds of thousands in debt...and guess what...it doesn't matter. Debt is a joke. Country debt is an even bigger joke. Money is fictional. When it comes down to it...we can just tell people to screw off and not pay. It's like collectors that call...you just laugh at them and hang up.

Bah...


Jesse, an advice free for you: come down from that horse.

I`m here not to insult anyone but to understand what`s going on around this crazy world.

If I already knew it, I won`t ask other people`s opinions.

Instead of coming here trying to make a fight with me everytime I post something you could bring some local knowledge.

And yes I know that Usa are the biggest, the strongest, the ---est of everything, BUT:

EVEN the ROMAN EMPIRE collapsed.

Things change and already, compared to 20 years ago, the Usa are not so ---est compared to other Countries. So I won`t rely FOREVER on that.

Don`t you see how your currency is falling and falling and FALLING?
 
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