discuss Epik vs. Epic and Happy New Year!

[ThatNameGuy]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=epik

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=domainer

Just like "domainer" isn't a real word, either is epik However, they both are found in the Urban Dictionary and Wiktionary, thus they're not made up words imho.

Like I have with other key words, I've just started accumulating a portfolio titled; EpikNames.com like; EpikTravel.com, EpikVegas.com and EpikJobs.com

Rob Monster the CEO of Epik.com was the first industry leader I met when I accidentally found the domain industry and the secondary market that Verisign says is "hidden in plain sight".

It's been said, if you want a new idea read an old book, and you may want to think of me as the old book I found this industry too late to be involved in "one word" domains, but two word domains have become my skill set that I've been told I'm pretty good at, and hopefully getting better.

Now getting back to Epik vs. Epic. As a business person, would you rather own the domain EpicTravel at 20K or EpikTravel at 2K? In my mind it's a No Brainer, but not so fast old time "domainers" might say? To put things in perspective, I just bought the domain EpikTravel.com from Epik.com for $8 and GD Values it at $1,343 while it Values EpicTravel at $6,455. And while those valuations sound way out of bounds, NameWorth values EpicTravel.com at $9,450 and EpikTravel.com at <less than $500. Furthermore, NameWorth values Epik.com at $64,000 and Epic.com at 10M, that's right ten million dollars

Finally, and maybe it's just me, but I like "Epik" better than "Epic"....maybe it's that EpikWeed I've been smoking. What say you?....Happy New Year

 

[wwwweb]

I completely agree with you. I have realised one thing that there is only one rule in domaining that there are no rules.. different model or strategy work for different individual and one has to find their own working model based upon their resources and comfort zone..

There are many rules in domaining especially when it comes to spamming, and trademark infringements, but there are many people working out of grey areas who think they are untouchable from the legal sense who just create issues for the overall industry with their $299 endless outbound spam BIN’s.

There is no secret to what you are doing by using low waged workers in India to spam North America / European companies with freshly regged domains in violation of many laws, including the Canspam act, and the ones that don’t sell, get offered on namepros to users who think they have promise, not realizing that the majority of users for such names have already been spammed for them.

Better makes your money while you can, only a matter of time before email spammers are next:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ed-act-signed-trump-law-congress-fcc-ajit-pai

 

[SuperBrander]

@ThatNameGuy Besides Rambo.com that sold for 3.5K there's only one Rambo sale- Rambov.com for $100. Godaddy's claim that Rambo is a keyword that's valued at 8K- just demonstrates how unreliable their tool is. Also, looking at individual words is meaningless without the second word in the combo. "Cloud" is a popular word. But CloudCondom.com is worthless. It all depends on the context.

The point I was trying to make is that anything below a $2000 appraisal is an extremely mixed bag of good and bad and any random name, registered or not, can get appraisals in that range because whatever the domain is- Godaddy wants to justify a sale price at least in the high $XXX to low $XXXX range. They get a cut from sales after all. Above $2000- the higher appraisal you get, you'll usually have less low quality names and more high quality names. It's a pretty good tool for screening, but for any other purposes (like determining domains' retail worth)- it's usually very very far from accurate no matter the range.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

One of the people I follow on Twitter is Jeremy Miller, a Canadian author, speaker and business owner who is a specialist in company naming. I read his Sticky Branding book some time ago, and I am currently reading his new book Brand New Name (you may see a review/overview on NamePros on it in the coming months ).

Anyway, he also Tweets great and insightful content, and a few days ago the topic was why are so many wrong spelling brands in products that appeal to children? Names like Kool-Aid, Rick Krispies, Play-Doh, Froot Loops, Lite Brite, Sno-Cone and many others. His argument is that they are phonetically spelled like 6 year old would probably spell them. I think hie is onto something relevant to domain investors. Clearly one should not advertise to children, and that is regulated, but the idea of when phonetic spelling helps is a broader issue.

Here is a link to his blog post on the topic.
https://stickybranding.com/why-are-childrens-brand-names-misspelled/

More broadly, are there certain applications where phonetic spelling is more likely to be accepted. On the original topic of Epic vs Epik, maybe it is from my many sign-ins at their site, but I somehow visually prefer Epik for reasons I can't quite explain - maybe the capital E and high letter ending aesthetics? Or maybe it is because I think like a 6 year old? Which seriously is a good thing in many ways .

Bob

 

[ThatNameGuy]

@ThatNameGuy Besides Rambo.com that sold for 3.5K there's only one Rambo sale- Rambov.com for $100. Godaddy's claim that Rambo is a keyword that's valued at 8K- just demonstrates how unreliable their tool is. Also, looking at individual words is meaningless without the second word in the combo. "Cloud" is a popular word. But CloudCondom.com is worthless. It all depends on the context.

The point I was trying to make is that anything below a $2000 appraisal is an extremely mixed bag of good and bad and any random name, registered or not, can get appraisals in that range because whatever the domain is- Godaddy wants to justify a sale price at least in the high $XXX to low $XXXX range. They get a cut from sales after all. Above $2000- the higher appraisal you get, you'll usually have less low quality names and more high quality names. It's a pretty good tool for screening, but for any other purposes (like determining domains' retail worth)- it's usually very very far from accurate no matter the range.

SuperBrander....i see humor in pretty much everything, and I especially like laughing at myself. In your post about my two new domains RamboBrands.com and RamboPizza.com you mentioned about "Cloud" being a popular word, but CloudCondum.com is worthless" I don't disagree at all, however I really do know personally a guy whose name is Clark Rambo, and get this, Clark started in business when he was living in the "757", The Rubber Ducky Condom Company

Clark I believe divorced and moved to Florida years ago, but I think I'll call him and tell him about the portfolio I started using his name. He obviously has a sense of humor and I'm sure he might want to participate in the domain game using his name.

Finally...the name Rambo Pizza has a pretty good ring to it imho. I think it's every bit as good a name as Dominos Pizza, Little Ceasers or Pizza Hut. What do you think?

 

[frank-germany]

One of the people I follow on Twitter is Jeremy Miller, a Canadian author, speaker and business owner who is a specialist in company naming. I read his Sticky Branding book some time ago, and I am currently reading his new book Brand New Name (you may see a review/overview on NamePros on it in the coming months ).

Anyway, he also Tweets great and insightful content, and a few days ago the topic was why are so many wrong spelling brands in products that appeal to children? Names like Kool-Aid, Rick Krispies, Play-Doh, Froot Loops, Lite Brite, Sno-Cone and many others. His argument is that they are phonetically spelled like 6 year old would probably spell them. I think hie is onto something relevant to domain investors. Clearly one should not advertise to children, and that is regulated, but the idea of when phonetic spelling helps is a broader issue.

Here is a link to his blog post on the topic.
https://stickybranding.com/why-are-childrens-brand-names-misspelled/

More broadly, are there certain applications where phonetic spelling is more likely to be accepted. On the original topic of Epic vs Epik, maybe it is from my many sign-ins at their site, but I somehow visually prefer Epik for reasons I can't quite explain - maybe the capital E and high letter ending aesthetics? Or maybe it is because I think like a 6 year old? Which seriously is a good thing in many ways .

Bob

thanks @Bob Hawkes
that was your first post I enjoyed reading


but who is the right Jeremy Miller?
guess this one
https://twitter.com/StickyBranding

 

[Bob Hawkes]

thanks @Bob Hawkes
that was your first post I enjoyed reading

Thank you .
I just knew if I kept trying through more than 5000 posts on NamePros it would happen ! #NeverGiveUp
Best wishes for 2020!
Bob

 

[SuperBrander]

@ThatNameGuy Nice story about the condom guy. Rubber Ducky is a fun name. Rambo Pizza or Rambo anything is somewhat random but can pass as a brand. However, Rambo isn't an investable word.

Making money from domains isn't about whether a name sounds good or not. There are tens of thousands of words, or at least thousands that can be added to 'Pizza' and will sound decent or cool. Buying up all the available decent or even great sounding combos will very likely result in losses or very little profit, if you're extremely lucky. Few keywords before the word 'Pizza' are combos worth buying. Buying most other combos is gambling, not investing. It's important to do research and separate what sounds good from what can likely sell. It's not an exact science but thorough research by diving deep into sales and keyword analysis beyond automatic appraisals go a long way in assembling a profitable portfolio.

 

[wwwweb]

@ThatNameGuy

Finally...the name Rambo Pizza has a pretty good ring to it imho. I think it's every bit as good a name as Dominos Pizza, Little Ceasers or Pizza Hut. What do you think?

Really "Rambo Pizza" is that the last movie you watched, the flavor of the day, Last Blood?

Dominos, Pizza Hut etc... have spent billions advertising, commercials, super bowl, worldwide franchises, and you come along with your fresh reg Rambo Pizza, and are ready to take on the Pizza World until your 3pm dinner time today, and you will lose interest, and be on the next dog, and pony show tomorrow.

They should start moving your threads to the humor section, you simply can't focus for more than 1 day, on a single idea, or project.

 

[frank-germany]

Few keywords before the word 'Pizza' are combos worth buying. .

how about
PizzaXXL.com

would you say it's decent?

 

[SuperBrander]

@frank-germany I haven't really dealt with Pizza names except for a one domain experiment with a .co that I quickly abandoned a few years ago. I was using Pizza as a general example that applies to basically all keywords. Without taking PizzaXXL as a project- I'd say that it's a decent name for a business that wants to demonstrate that it sells large pizzas. Would I buy it personally as an investment? Without really diving into it and analyzing sales- probably not. Maybe if it was reg fee to try it out for a year. I prefer to focus mostly on niches where there's more money. Realty, finances, tech etc.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

@ThatNameGuy Nice story about the condom guy. Rubber Ducky is a fun name. Rambo Pizza or Rambo anything is somewhat random but can pass as a brand. However, Rambo isn't an investable word.

Making money from domains isn't about whether a name sounds good or not. There are tens of thousands of words that can be added to 'Pizza' and will sound decent or cool. Buying up all the available decent or even great sounding combos will very likely result in losses or very little profit, if you're extremely lucky. Few keywords before the word 'Pizza' are combos worth buying. Buying most other combos is gambling, not investing. It's important to do research and separate what sounds good from what can likely sell. It's not an exact science but thorough research by diving deep into sales and keyword analysis beyond automatic appraisals go a long way in assembling a profitable portfolio.

"Rambo" isn't an investable word." Really? Says who? I'm not going to argue with you, but like Ceaser, used for the Pizza Brand Little Ceaser's, Rambo is probably one of the most recognized "names" in America. Ever hear of Sylvester Stallone? Any of the dozens of Rambo/Rocky movies?
Did you even know Sylvester Stallone aka Rocky aka Rambo is Italian...sort of like Pizza is Italian?

As most of you agree, there are exceptions to every rule and regardless, RamboRules

 

[SuperBrander]

@ThatNameGuy Nothing against Rambo. He kicks ass. But again, the fact that a word sounds good or is well known doesn't mean it'll sell. In fact, you have sales data that clearly points to the fact that a combo containing this word has very low probability of selling. Again, that's the difference between investing based on data and gambling. But it's your money. If you feel like buying a lot of Rambo names- go for it. Anyway... I'll bow out of this thread to go look for new purchases and wish you and everybody else lots of sales in 2020 and beyond.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

[QUOTE@ThatNameGuy

Finally...the name Rambo Pizza has a pretty good ring to it imho. I think it's every bit as good a name as Dominos Pizza, Little Ceasers or Pizza Hut. What do you think?

Really "Rambo Pizza" is that the last movie you watched, the flavor of the day, Last Blood?

Dominos, Pizza Hut etc... have spent billions advertising, commercials, super bowl, worldwide franchises, and you come along with your fresh reg Rambo Pizza, and are ready to take on the Pizza World until your 3pm dinner time today, and you will lose interest, and be on the next dog, and pony show tomorrow.

They should start moving your threads to the humor section, you simply can't focus for more than 1 day, on a single idea, or project.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the compliments....makes my day

 

[ThatNameGuy]

@ThatNameGuy Nothing against Rambo. He kicks ass. But again, the fact that a word sounds good or is well known doesn't mean it'll sell. In fact, you have sales data that clearly points to the fact that a combo containing this word has very low probability of selling. Again, that's the difference between investing based on data and gambling. But it's your money. If you feel like buying a lot of Rambo names- go for it. Anyway... I'll bow out of this thread to go look for new purchases and wish you and everybody else lots of sales in 2020 and beyond.

You probably won't read this, but I'm 10X the investor, I am a gambler? I've never bought a lottery ticket for myself and never will. I admit to playing a little BlackJack, but I know damn well it's gambling. As a business guy who has started, owned and NAMED dozens of businesses, I tend to bet/gamble on myself because the Gods Odds are stacked in my favor. Just for the record, I paid Epik $8.50 for the domain RamboPizza.com. Do you understand the concept of Risk vs. Reward?
Seriously? If you don't, I can recommend a good book written by someone way smarter than you or me who can explain it...best you do move on for you certainly can't learn anything from me

 

[ThatNameGuy]

One of the people I follow on Twitter is Jeremy Miller, a Canadian author, speaker and business owner who is a specialist in company naming. I read his Sticky Branding book some time ago, and I am currently reading his new book Brand New Name (you may see a review/overview on NamePros on it in the coming months ).

Anyway, he also Tweets great and insightful content, and a few days ago the topic was why are so many wrong spelling brands in products that appeal to children? Names like Kool-Aid, Rick Krispies, Play-Doh, Froot Loops, Lite Brite, Sno-Cone and many others. His argument is that they are phonetically spelled like 6 year old would probably spell them. I think hie is onto something relevant to domain investors. Clearly one should not advertise to children, and that is regulated, but the idea of when phonetic spelling helps is a broader issue.

Here is a link to his blog post on the topic.
https://stickybranding.com/why-are-childrens-brand-names-misspelled/

More broadly, are there certain applications where phonetic spelling is more likely to be accepted. On the original topic of Epic vs Epik, maybe it is from my many sign-ins at their site, but I somehow visually prefer Epik for reasons I can't quite explain - maybe the capital E and high letter ending aesthetics? Or maybe it is because I think like a 6 year old? Which seriously is a good thing in many ways .

Bob

Bob...like you I really like the name/word Epik and I'm sure Rob likes it's drawing a lot of attention. The fact that you're not the only one is encouraging to me. I bet if you asked/showed a hundred people on the street the two words together, quite a few would choose Epik over Epic. It would be interesting what the kids would say, especially since "Kids" starts with a "K" instead of a hard "C". Maybe you are a 6 year old after all.

Besides just liking the word "Epik", when you put it in front of a second word like Bank, Mortgage, Vegas, Travel it adds an element of elevation sort of like icing on the cake.

Another reason I think I like it so much is my neighbor a beast of a Navy Seal races Epic Kayaks, and for whatever reason, the "K" in Kayak, fits in lieu of the "C" in Epic for me Every time I pull in my drive way I see his beautiful sleek Ocean Kayaks with the Epic logo on the hull. I bet you could change the "c" to a "k", and I wouldn't even notice it. Make Sense? Thanks Bob...you Kid Yue!

 

[SuperBrander]

@ThatNameGuy In my opinion, investing without research is a form of gambling. I handreg too but I do it based on research and have sold dozens of handregged domains for low to mid $X,XXX and am aware of dozens of other domains people who bought from me sold at brandable marketplaces for $XXXX. I now focus more on higher end names and 2019 has been my best domaining year yet. My portfolio is built on risk vs reward so I'm certainly familiar with the concept.

Buying Rambo names isn't risk vs reward because data shows chances of selling a Rambo name for profit is 0 so any money you'll pour in that direction will be the equivalent to flushing it down the toilet. To me it seems like you enjoy buying and discussing brands without wanting to be profitable. It's your money so do what you want with it. A lot of the people who are giving you advice are actually making good money from domaining and you'd be wise if you'd be open to listen. All the best.

 

[branding]

2372 Words for Naught

Ategy...i'm now back to not reading your posts, however just for fun this time I counted the number of words in your rant/diatribe about me. You will have to excuse me because I'm still working on a project for HUMANITY that you can read about here; https://www.namepros.com/threads/homelessrx-org-its-not-about-the-money.1169696/#post-7560951https://www.namepros.com/threads/homelessrx-org-its-not-about-the-money.1169696/#post-7560951 that's far more important than anything you can possibly say.

That's the only positive I got from this thread.

How's that project coming along? And do you feel the domain is of any importance?

I'm on the board of a foundation in a similar field (although not focussed on the homeless) and they couldn't care less about the domain.

I acquired the exact match in .org for us a couple of months ago but the rest of the board doesn't care to switch. Sigh.

Btw, I can see cloudcondom being used by a tech security analyst .

 

[ThatNameGuy]

@ThatNameGuy In my opinion, investing without research is a form of gambling. I handreg too but I do it based on research and have sold dozens of handregged domains for low to mid $X,XXX and am aware of dozens of other domains people who bought from me sold at brandable marketplaces for $XXXX. I now focus more on higher end names and 2019 has been my best domaining year yet. My portfolio is built on risk vs reward so I'm certainly familiar with the concept.

Buying Rambo names isn't risk vs reward because data shows chances of selling a Rambo name for profit is 0 so any money you'll pour in that direction will be the equivalent to flushing it down the toilet. To me it seems like you enjoy buying and discussing brands without wanting to be profitable. It's your money so do what you want with it. A lot of the people who are giving you advice are actually making good money from domaining and you'd be wise if you'd be open to listen. All the best.

lol SuperBrander...my LIFE has been built on the concept of risk vs. reward....you REALLY don't understand the concept

 

[ThatNameGuy]

That's the only positive I got from this thread.

How's that project coming along? And do you feel the domain is of any importance?

I'm on the board of a foundation in a similar field (although not focussed on the homeless) and they couldn't care less about the domain.

I acquired the exact match in .org for us a couple of months ago but the rest of the board doesn't care to switch. Sigh.

Btw, I can see cloudcondom being used by a tech security analyst .

Yes, CloudCondom is good....how about ClownCondom? Seriously, I use to be a partner in a business called Bobby the Clowns Party Animals, and Bobby is a friend who's still clowning around to make a living. Isn't it funny how one name/domain triggers another? I'll be driving down the road and see a fantasy license plate, and the next thing you know I'm pulling off the road or coming to a light then checking with GD to see if the name is available. I just bought Yum21.com after seeing a license plate that read Umm2021....go figure

 

[ThatNameGuy]

@ThatNameGuy Nice story about the condom guy. Rubber Ducky is a fun name. Rambo Pizza or Rambo anything is somewhat random but can pass as a brand. However, Rambo isn't an investable word.

Making money from domains isn't about whether a name sounds good or not. There are tens of thousands of words, or at least thousands that can be added to 'Pizza' and will sound decent or cool. Buying up all the available decent or even great sounding combos will very likely result in losses or very little profit, if you're extremely lucky. Few keywords before the word 'Pizza' are combos worth buying. Buying most other combos is gambling, not investing. It's important to do research and separate what sounds good from what can likely sell. It's not an exact science but thorough research by diving deep into sales and keyword analysis beyond automatic appraisals go a long way in assembling a profitable portfolio.

Just one more thing Mr SuperBrander...i know you think you're a lot smarter than me, but I feel I should share with you the fact that I've made contact via Linkedin with Clark Rambo, the guy who started Rubber Ducky Condoms 20+ years ago here in Virginia Beach. If you or your buddies doubt me, you can look him up on Linkedin to see what he's doing today. The second thing I want to share with you are the appraisals for RamboBrands.com and RamboPizza.com from NameWorth.

RamboBrands.com - $5,450
RamboPizza.com - $1,750

I know these appraisals like GD's mean nothing to you, but when you combine them with all the other information I've researched for the name/word Rambo, you may have second thoughts on what I was trying to tell you about risk vs. reward. Any Question

 

[SuperBrander]

I don't think I'm smarter than you. I just think that you're a guy who thinks he understands domaining better than people who actually sell domains on a regular basis. Good luck with NameWorth. I own Internationally.com and NameWorth says it's worth 2.75 million dollars. I guess I'm a millionaire.

 

[NickB]

You know why I read these threads he starts?

The responses are invaluable, you can learn a lot from the people who try and reason with him

They are insightful, well thought out and come from people who do well in this industry - pity it is falling on deaf ears......

Thanks

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I don't think I'm smarter than you. I just think that you're a guy who thinks he understands domaining better than people who actually sell domains on a regular basis. Good luck with NameWorth. I own Internationally.com and NameWorth says it's worth 2.75 million dollars. I guess I'm a millionaire.

Just for the record, I NEVER said I'm good at or even understand domaining in the traditional sense, however I have said or insinuated that I'm pretty good with names, business ideas and marketing. Maybe therein lies the HUGE disconnect or misunderstanding. After all, this blog is called NamePros, or is that a misnomer?

 

[Bob Hawkes]

thanks @Bob Hawkes
but who is the right Jeremy Miller?
guess this one
https://twitter.com/StickyBranding

Hi Frank,
Yes that is him. Sticky Branding is title of his first book.
Bob

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Hi Frank,
Yes that is him. Sticky Branding is title of his first book.
Bob

Thanks Bob...this isn't Frank, but I'd like to check him out. I don't know if you noticed me saying I have a friend by the name of Clark Rambo who started the Rubber Ducky Condem Company here in VB back in the '80's. The name Clark Rambo is almost as good as Rob Monster...i don't know which one I like better. I've never heard Rob talk about his name, but maybe coming up with the name Epik® somehow balanced the Monster name.....Monster is Catchy, but Epik is Classy. I bet he has the best 1-2 name punch in the world.....i can't think of one better, but Clark Rambo and Rubber Ducky Condems comes close