discuss Domain discussion more detailed than Reg of Day and Appraisals

[Want2learn]

I wanted to discuss some domains. I think Reg of the Day is good for what it is and appraisals are good for what they are! I wanted a space where we could really talk domains. I have selfish motives bc I do want to talk about my domains . . . But I want to discuss your domains as well. Feel free to jump in with any constructive feedback that you have.

 

[Want2learn]

Interesting. I thought Money or Cash might be more lucrative depending on name good to know finance has hope with good secondary keyword. I dabbled in some finance and money ones too in my-- gasp-- "hand regs" Mine aren't very good but I got

EarlyBirdFinance
EarlyBirdMoney
MoneySway
MoneyKept
MoneyHoopla (could be money hoop LA too)
FinanceSerie
FinanceEarly
MoneySerie (serie spanish word for series, in succession, TV shows or podcasts etc)

Money Hoop La

Have you seen white men cant jump? Your domain makes me think of grown men playing 3x3 hoops in LA!!

 

[Want2learn]

I've just picked up Frizet.com. A Frizet pack is a product manufactured by Gelert for campers. It's one of those water blocks that you freeze, and then you keep it in your coolbox. I suppose it could be used as a feeder site for a camping supplies shop, but I can't see much value in this. It is also the name of a hamlet in Belgium, and this seems to have more potential. I've never tried to sell a foreign geo-name, so I'll be interested to see how this pans out.

My wife uses one of those blue icey things for her lunches every day!

You know me . . . You are taking a calculated gamble that may pay off nicely, and cover a whole bunch of renewals! Heck, if the French do something seen as bad to the US, maybe Frizets will replace French Fries!

As an aside, Google was born 9/4/98 . . . what would Google have appraised for on NP 19 years ago?

 

[Kuffy]

My wife uses one of those blue icey things for her lunches every day!

I think she needs the domain name to go with it - ,com of course.

 

[Kuffy]

I think most Amazon sites are drop shipping sites rather than white label. Still a valid concept, but I think it involves a bit more work.
The other idea I'm considering is using casino landing pages to build a site.

 

[Want2learn]

I own domainmainstreet.com

I like it. How long have you had it? Hand reg or secondary market?

 

[Ategy]

I think most Amazon sites are drop shipping sites rather than white label. Still a valid concept, but I think it involves a bit more work.
The other idea I'm considering is using casino landing pages to build a site.

Well .. actually I think technically they are both ... I that you can have drop shipping with no label or original manufacturer's label. White label is when the middle person (theoretically us if we're using our sites to resell or potential end user if they aren't manufacturing) has their own brand on all the boxes / documentation, etc. Basically the end buyer thinks the new brand is the manufacturer because of the changed labelling.

But yes .. I'd think almost all White Label products would likely also be drop shipped, with the exception of Amazon reseller products, but in that case Amazon effectively acts as the drop shipper and marketplace .. so similar/same end result.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

So I'll start us off! I am trying to sell WesternStreet.com. As I was looking up pricing info I noticed a bunch of BLANKstreet.com domains.

I noticed that cake street, wine street, coffee street, beer street, etc; were already taken. I checked a BUNCH of names. Food and otherwise. Some developed, most not. Seems pricing was low 1/2XXX.

When you say, 'looking up pricing info' do you mean you were looking at other peoples asking price?

How does somebody else's asking price effect the price of your domain? Everybody prices differently; some off market value, others in hope. At the end of the day it's valued what people are willing to pay. I know most sales are done privately so it's hard to use NameBio or DNPric.es to know what endusers are paying, but IMO it's a better place to look than other people's asking price.

Start by choosing your main keyword. In the above discussion it seems it's 'street' Thus you search .com sales ending in 'street' Then you can see the kind of prefixes that (reported sales wise) pair well with suffix 'street' -- check sales date to see if sales are consistent or trendy.

You can also search sales ending in 'streets' to get an idea if singular or plural is the better form. In this instance (134 sales ended in street vs 9 ending in streets)

Some keywords such as Sport/Sports have more sales in plural. Not usually the case, but depending on word combo's, plural can be better sometimes. 230 reported sales singular sport vs 321 reported for the plural sports.

 

[Ategy]

I think the term is "Rental Properties" ... but in actuality every market category is different .. then within them there can sometimes be regional differences. That's why domaining can be good. If you have above average existing knowledge of a particular product/service category then you can find names that other domainers don't see.

But in the end every niche is different. You need to look at potential end users and value of the niche (like real estate is vastly more profitable than donuts .. lol) .. then choose your names wisely!

 

[Ategy]

BrandNames and RebrandNames.

Personally the way I value domains .. anything added to a keyword is like changing it from .com to .org ... which is while 2 word .com's are a fraction of what 1 word dot coms are .. but a fraction of single word dot .com's can still be very good. But when you get to a fraction of a fraction .. like DomainMainStreet for example .. then your risk/reward and holding costs make it a large risk to make profit if your entire portfolio is like that,

That being said .. I say "keyword" .. but I really mean "KeyTerm" .. meaning that if 2 or even 3 words naturally go together, then it's sometimes ok to have an offshoot word. In this case you'd think MainStreet would count for that .. but for some unknown reason I don't see it that way ... and at the end of the day .. sometimes domains are just that .. more art than science! FastDirtBike.com for me is a 2 key-term while DomainMainStreet is 3. But MainStreet is 1. I think the way you need to naturally pause when saying Domain Main Street splits up the "Main Street" into 2 in this particular case.

Hope that made sense? lol


You also need to look at natural language .. rebrandnames isn't really what you're looking for .. you're actually looking for RebrandingNames .. one of the small number of cases where the _ing works better. ReBrandNames isn't a thing .. or if it is then I would consider it a 3 word/term domain counting the Re as a deviation.


Every set of words is different though .. that's why I've always said people need to have a very good command of English if they want to succeed at domaining in anything but short 3-4L and/or numerics.

 

[Keukatodd]

owned it for like 5 months @Want2learn

 

[Ategy]

Here's an interesting one for you to ponder from my portfolio:

holodaze = one term or two term .. one word or two?

 

[NamesMax]

I did think VodkaStreet.com would be better than SmirnoffStreet dot com!!

Definitely VodkaStreet because SmirnoffStreet would land you in a TM dispute

 

[Ategy]

I would say gay is def more powerful than lgbt. Were talking over a billion hits for gay. And then 103 million searches for Lgbt. If GayStreet.com went for 3400, then LgbtStreet.com is what mid XXX?

In terms of evaluating power key words, do we say Gay is 10x stronger than LGBT?

While those are theoretically "domainer" questions .. they really aren't .. as a domainer it's really about the numbers. I can't say for sure 100%, but I think "gay" is one core group among LGTB .. people rarely identify themselves as "LGTB" unless it's in rare cases to fight some law. People identify more as "Gay" or "Lesbian" or whatever else.

Other issue with LGBT is that now some people add a Q at the end .. that effectively halves the effectiveness as a domain.

But in reality this sort of specific question is exactly what I meant earlier about having outside knowledge and applying it to domaining.

LGTB means essentially Lesbian AND Gay AND Trans AND Bi ... for the most part I see "AND" as a division to the value of a domain.

Unless it's a very common term like CatsAndDogs or ApplesAndOranges, then AND usually drastically hurts the value of a domain because while you're trying to be 2 things .. but effectively you're neither. CupcakesAndPie might sound like it's worth the sum of Cupcakes plus Pie .. but in reality it's a fraction of either.

Obviously LGBT is indeed something .. so the AND's don't really apply all that much ... but the theory saying LGBT isn't really any ONE thing would hold true for most commercial uses. For the reason I stated above in that most would identify more as Gay or Lesbian.

Maybe a better way to convey what I'm saying would be if you had a site called NorthAmericanHousing.com .. it's not really a thing .. it's more CanadianHousing + UnitedStatesHousing + Mexicanhousing .. but you can't merge them into NorthAmericanHousing because the housing markets don't really go by continents .. despite the fact that continents actually do exist! lol


It's not a bad domain though .. there is enough general LGBT unified business activities to say LGBT can be considered a single key-term .. but it's a very week one and I'd say you're correct in thinking it was a fraction of "gay" or "lesbian" .. probably not as bad as 10% though.

 

[Ategy]

Lol sounds like holidays right?

Yup .. I've had this a short while now and it's really grown on me.

Holo + Daze = two words that kinda represent seeing things that aren't there .. they work well together in meaning .. while having the hyper bonus of sounding like everybody's favourite word "Holidays"!

 

[Ategy]

This is how weird I am . . . I saw Holo Daze, immediately thought holidays and then went to dazed and confused on halloween.

lol .. no no no .. Holographic Daze! Daze isn't always a bad thing (particularly without the D) .. often associated with Day Dreaming .. which if your holographic technology has the same level as reality as a real dream then you've got a pretty darn good product .. lol .. so in this case I saw it more as "Holographic Day Dreaming"!

Focusing on the last little piece about 10% but not as bad . . . that would therefore mean if GayStreet sold today for 2k-5k I might be looking at 4xxISH-1xxxISH?

Yeah .. LGTBStreet I'd say 1k .. if GayStreet was 5k. Gay community is fantastic for commerce .. very few kids compared to straight couples .. as such significantly more disposable income on average.

 

[HotKey]

What I've found to work for me, is price the domain what you feel it is worth. Even if people tell you it's a sh*t, but you think it's valuable, then stick to your guns because in negotiations that value will show. Whereas if you value a domain high just because, but don't fully believe in it, it's hard (especially in phone conversation) to vocally justify the high price. Whereas, when you believe in the domains value, you'll be able to shrug off low ball offers and stay strong on your ask because you believe eventually you will get full ask.

If it works for you, you're very fortunate. Well done.

Now, on knowing there is actual value, not just believing it does. Some people have great instincts and can detect a good investment, and that is their strength. For others, although you really really believe a name may hold value, it is important to recognize whether this is a strength or a weakness for you. If it is a weakness, you should look to other means to justify your investment, ie. data mining or appraisals. Or discussions like this one.

@Want2learn I am not overly fond of the "street" tails, but your VodkaStreet and DonutStreet, you've managed to turn me. They have a flow and don't look bad, aren't mispelled and easily brandable.

 

[Kuffy]

The interesting thing about mens diet supplements, and the reason I reg'd it, is that the addition of "mens" qualifies the traffic, and I think this increases the value by a factor of 5 or 6. Of course, it also reduces the volume. One other factor is that, if I link to other related sites owned by me, then it can increase their rankings for the market sector.

 

[HotKey]

@Want2learnHisStreet, TheirStreet, RecordingStreet - All what I would call empty phrases, i.e. they are not real things, frequent collocations or that brandable (ing-form rarely works).

Agreed- they just don't work (but singular RecordStreet would have been awesome).

Try not to get too carried with these. It's rare that you'll find an ending such as "street" having a universal fit, it will only work in certain instances.

 

[Joe N]

I'd love to hear a bit more about participating in affiliate programs or these "white label" programs. I have zero experience, but have a few names that may work well:

Ornament Storage dot com
Flower Garden Designs dot com
Parking Lot Design dot com
Cast Aluminum Furniture dot com
Adaptive Aid dot com
Louisiana Chicken dot com

Would it be worthwhile to set up affiliate sites on any of these? If so, would love to know:

1. Which affiliate programs would be a good fit
2. Costs involved
3. Amount of time/work to develop and maintain
4. Tips for promotion

 

[Want2learn]

the fact that there are only 4 reported $1K+ "lgbt" sales on namebio should tell you a lot about commercial value of the term
..and all were exact match "lgbt" or "lgbtq"
...vs 79 .com only $1K+ "gay + something" sales

another way to see it is check how many "lgbt + word" names are avail
for example:

gay square - taken since 1999
lgbt square - avail

gay corner - taken since 2000
lgbt corner - avail

now what is the chance of selling "lgbt street" if i can still handreg "lgbt square"?

* i sold gaycity/net in 2015 and gayapartment/com in 2013. both "lgbt" variants are avail for handreg

Good points! May be time to stay away from LGBT since I am not very familiar with them. In a general sense yes, but based on what you have said it will very very unlikely that the domain moves, unless I drop it!

 

[Want2learn]

@Want2learn Sharing a few harsh IMOs as long as I'm here:

HisStreet, TheirStreet, RecordingStreet - All what I would call empty phrases, i.e. they are not real things, frequent collocations or that brandable (ing-form rarely works).

RentersForSale - Not the proper phrase people would use. 22 google search results.

VodkaStreet, DonutStreet - DonutStreet is OK as a brandable, vodka a bit too specific. But both have quite a few alternatives. Still kind of like DonutStreet, would make a decent brand for a donut store chain.

SpecialLearningDisability - On the fence with this one. But still see it more as an empty phrase. Not a standardized term according to TermiumPlus or EuroTermBank. Learning disabilities are on the rise, though.

Random word pairings are just that: random. Unless they're short, snappy, and catchy brandables with many different possible applications. IMO. IMO. IMO. Others may disagree. Feel free to shoot the messenger.

I will take all the constructive feedback I can get! Thank you for that.
I like HisStreet a lot. That doesn't mean anything to anyone but me, and the goal is to find one person who likes it like me. Admittedly the street domains that sold (Namebio) along with the fact that her, my, our that, streets were all unavailable motivated me to get. May be wrong thinking there

RentersForSale . . . I think you are right about phrase usage in general, but Ill hold the hope for this one

SpecificLearningDisability- It is an exact category. Because I am in the industry I know. If you look up IDEA, federal legislation in the US, you will see specific learning disability. It is the most common disability, and more students in the US are served under SLD. It is waaaaaay more common than Autism. Take ADHD, if you have ADHD you are served under Other Health Impairment (which i also have) SLD is more common than Autism and ADHD (combined Id bet) in terms of special education. If there are 150 students at my school in the special education program . . . 6-7 with Autism and probably 15-20 ADHD . . . and probably close to 100 specific learning disability. And a mix of others . . .

 

[nomen]

@Want2learn Read it for some reason as SPECIALLearning... Sorry about that. SPECIFICLearningDisability is another story. I like that one a lot. Agree with your price expectations too, wouldn't sell it for $2k. Worth more.

 

[Want2learn]

@Want2learn Read it for some reason as SPECIALLearning... Sorry about that. SPECIFICLearningDisability is another story. I like that one a lot. Agree with your price expectations too, wouldn't sell it for $2k. Worth more.

Thank you!

Isn't it funny and kind of refreshing that initially we see things differently, but communicate like mature people (was gonna say grown ups but that is too much lol) and are able to have civil discourse?

I think this community @NamePros is mostly great for that. The truth is we would still see things differently and have great conversations. I truly appreciate people like you that will express your thoughts in a logical coherent way, even when it isn't to my "benefit" per se.


While we are discussing disabilities where do you see OtherHealthImpairment.com fitting (OHI)?
Autism is probably most famous culturally. Specific Learning Disability is most common. OHI serves almost all other medical issues. If we were hit by a car and had a traumatic brain injury we would be served under OHI. If we are diagnosed with ADHD we are served under OHI. With technology the way it is, food the way it is, families, etc ADHD is on a huge uptick. OHI is a category just like Autism and SpecificLearningDisability. For that reason I see upside. The fact that ADHD falls under OHI is important. I'd say that component makes OHI worthwhile. But I also think SLD and Autism are a lot more valuable. This one is tough for me to valuate for the reasons I just shared. It is also a case where I can go research ADHD and then go to OHI and see how they fit. Remember we can read about a brain injury or a kid that is very sick with some disease under the OHL label, not just ADHD.

 

[Kuffy]

Health products is another market that I'm starting to promote. Prices are all over the place, and you can pay $5-$120 for basically the same product. I'm not looking at names to resell though, I'm looking for names for income to support my inventory of names to sell. It's hard to find suitable names, and I'm getting the impression that you may have to use YouTube to promote the sites. I picked up one yesterday -
Argan Facts .com
Pure Argan oil is a growing market, and a lot of products are on-line. I haven't set up the site yet, but I have a sponsor in mind, and I've re-opened my account with him. I last used it in 2010. The market has changed a lot since then, and when I'm up and running, I'll start a thread about progress on whichever board is suitable.

 

[nomen]

While we are discussing disabilities where do you see OtherHealthImpairment.com fitting (OHI)?

Seems too a broad category/term to me.

"Other Health Impairment" is an umbrella term for a range of conditions that may qualify for special education." (Emphasis mine.)

Do note though that my understanding of special education issues is basically zero.