discuss Domain discussion more detailed than Reg of Day and Appraisals

[Want2learn]

I wanted to discuss some domains. I think Reg of the Day is good for what it is and appraisals are good for what they are! I wanted a space where we could really talk domains. I have selfish motives bc I do want to talk about my domains . . . But I want to discuss your domains as well. Feel free to jump in with any constructive feedback that you have.

 

[Ategy]

WHITELABEL: Is when you sell another company's products under your name. Web hosting is popular for that. Meaning you go to WebsiteX.com and buy your hosting plan .. it is branded under CompanyX .. but in actual fact they are GoDaddy resellers (you just don't know it because there has been a "White Label" placed over GoDaddy's so to speak). This is also a popular phenomenon for products coming out of China (and even locally) in that you have a small personal business who find a product they like to resell .. they then contact the original producers and arrange a system where the manufacturer ships directly to the end consumer, but under the reseller's name. A lot of people make big money in White Label sales .. most Amazon resellers are actually white label .. that's why you sometimes see 20 different "companies" selling the exact same product under their own name (cheap electronics, kitchen supplies, etc etc).

As for the domain:
Bourbon street can't be compared to other GenericStreet names ... Bourbon Street is a famous party street in New Orleans .. it's like if you had TheStrip.com (for Vegas).

That being said .. I don't think ending in street is that bad for brandable creation. VodkaStreet is a good buy at HandReg in my opinion. Although I wouldn't pay much more than that. For some unknown reason DonutStreet doesn't ring for me, but I can't even explain why I don't place it in similar light to VodkaStreet .. lol

Technically alcohol brands usually sell for more. There are certainly more Vodka startups out there than for donuts. The term street for me infers it is a market place however .. so not actually a brandable for a startup with a product, but more for a marketplace .. the only problem there is that any potential marketplace would be just vodka or donuts (those names could potentially hurt if they wanted to sell Rum or Cookies for example).

But losts marketplaces do exist online .. tons of specialised Vodka ,, gourmet donuts as well, but on a much smaller scale.

Also the hassle of dual spelling for donuts make it a messier sell and more likely any end user would use another way to brand themselves.

Personally I'd pick up VodkaStreet but not DonutStreet. But it's far from being the worse domain I've ever seen! lol


@Kuffy .. what is Gawpe misspelled from? I don't see it! lol

 

[Ategy]

I own domainmainstreet.com

I like it. How long have you had it? Hand reg or secondary market?

I actually don't like it as much .. repeating segments can be good (usually great even when 2 words rhyme) for short concise 2-word brandables .. but here it's 3 words and just sounds a bit clunky. It's not a terribly bad domain .. just not a great one either .. I wouldn't have picked it up at HandReg I'm sorry to say. If it were DomainStreet I think it would have been an amazing domain!

 

[nomen]

@Want2learn Sharing a few harsh IMOs as long as I'm here:

HisStreet, TheirStreet, RecordingStreet - All what I would call empty phrases, i.e. they are not real things, frequent collocations or that brandable (ing-form rarely works).

RentersForSale - Not the proper phrase people would use. 22 google search results.

VodkaStreet, DonutStreet - DonutStreet is OK as a brandable, vodka a bit too specific. But both have quite a few alternatives. Still kind of like DonutStreet, would make a decent brand for a donut store chain.

SpecialLearningDisability - On the fence with this one. But still see it more as an empty phrase. Not a standardized term according to TermiumPlus or EuroTermBank. Learning disabilities are on the rise, though.

Random word pairings are just that: random. Unless they're short, snappy, and catchy brandables with many different possible applications. IMO. IMO. IMO. Others may disagree. Feel free to shoot the messenger.

 

[Keukatodd]

I own domainmainstreet.com

 

[Ategy]

Key phrases are interesting. I'm going to try using "mens diet supplements" and see how it goes. It's far too long a name, but the key phrase has reasonable click potential imho.

That's why I personally use the term "Key Term" .. phrases are separate words and should be counted that way ... what I'm talking about are things like "GoForIt" "CandyCane" "DirtBike" .. basically words that are so connected and associated to each other that for domaining purposes you can consider them as a single word (with bigger factor keeping them less valuable than real single words being the obvious actual length of these terms but I almost see GoForIt.com as a 7 letter single word. Now beyond that however .. is the obvious quality of the word/term .. which is a huge factor in itself.

"Mens Diet Supplements" to me is a 3 word domain ... but an obvious good one. Diet Supplements is a strong er quality 2 word phrase .. then adding "Men's" dilutes it's strength to a 3 word .. but don't get me wrong .. there are good 3 words out there .. I'd obviously want to look at the metrics .. but I'd guess MensDietSupplements is one of them. But essentially MensDietSupplements is a fraction of DietSupplements which is a further fraction of Supplements. Going the other way, GoForIt isn't a fraction of ForIt. Although in some cases like Candy vs CandyCane they can be split ... it's just that I say "Key-Term" when the added component doesn't hurt the overall value nearly as much as adding a non-natually-associated word.


OK .. Little Steamie needs to go for a walk .. back later!

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Pricing is something I have found difficult to do well. History doesn't tell me how to price, but some sort of frame of reference is needed!

I think most domainers find pricing difficult. History doesn't tell us if the seller left money on the table (unless you see it sold for XXX in 2010 and XX,XXX in 2017 - and even then trends change, $hit happens that may affect price at different times)

I just wanted to make sure you didn't make the same mistake I did. ie SurfReport + City.com priced for sale at $25k thus reg all related big surfer locations and price SurfReport + City.com accordingly. When really, even if I found a Surf Report buyer, that type of domain (generally) IMO isn't worth $XX,XXX so asking that amount potentially scares buyers away for good.

What I've found to work for me, is price the domain what you feel it is worth. Even if people tell you it's a sh*t, but you think it's valuable, then stick to your guns because in negotiations that value will show. Whereas if you value a domain high just because, but don't fully believe in it, it's hard (especially in phone conversation) to vocally justify the high price. Whereas, when you believe in the domains value, you'll be able to shrug off low ball offers and stay strong on your ask because you believe eventually you will get full ask.

 

[4pm]

Focusing on the last little piece about 10% but not as bad . . . that would therefore mean if GayStreet sold today for 2k-5k I might be looking at 4xxISH-1xxxISH?

the fact that there are only 4 reported $1K+ "lgbt" sales on namebio should tell you a lot about commercial value of the term
..and all were exact match "lgbt" or "lgbtq"
...vs 79 .com only $1K+ "gay + something" sales

another way to see it is check how many "lgbt + word" names are avail
for example:

gay square - taken since 1999
lgbt square - avail

gay corner - taken since 2000
lgbt corner - avail

now what is the chance of selling "lgbt street" if i can still handreg "lgbt square"?

* i sold gaycity/net in 2015 and gayapartment/com in 2013. both "lgbt" variants are avail for handreg

 

[Haykay2005]

You need to remember that past sales from back in the days where parking advertizing paid 10x what it does today makes keyword and directory type domain sales completely incomparable today.

What could have been a $10k domain back then is now effectively worthless .. or at least not worth the investment to a reseller/domainer.

Still the singular is better than the plural .. you'd likely need to do outbound on this to get a sale though. Good luck with it!

I understand your position. Just that I prefer inbound inquiry on my GEO than doing outbound. Have sold many GEO domains tru inbound. I make more money that way.
Selling GEO tru outbound most times lead to poor figure. Thanks

 

[Joe N]

That has negative connotations for me, I'm not sure I need to know ways to blow my money paying poker.

Not to mention the sexual connotation...

 

[Kuffy]

What names do you want to discuss then? I've just reg'd Gawpe.com , so you could gawpe at my names.

Well you could if you don't mind the mis-spelling.

gawpe - wider than the standard gawp.

 

[Want2learn]

When you say, 'looking up pricing info' do you mean you were looking at other peoples asking price?

How does somebody else's asking price effect the price of your domain? Everybody prices differently; some off market value, others in hope. At the end of the day it's valued what people are willing to pay. I know most sales are done privately so it's hard to use NameBio or DNPric.es to know what endusers are paying, but IMO it's a better place to look than other people's asking price.

Start by choosing your main keyword. In the above discussion it seems it's 'street' Thus you search .com sales ending in 'street' Then you can see the kind of prefixes that (reported sales wise) pair well with suffix 'street' -- check sales date to see if sales are consistent or trendy.

You can also search sales ending in 'streets' to get an idea if singular or plural is the better form. In this instance (134 sales ended in street vs 9 ending in streets)

Some keywords such as Sport/Sports have more sales in plural. Not usually the case, but depending on word combo's, plural can be better sometimes. 230 reported sales singular sport vs 321 reported for the plural sports.

Namebio is what I was looking at, past sales history. I put in the keywords and just looked at what has sold historically/recently.

Pricing is something I have found difficult to do well. History doesn't tell me how to price, but some sort of frame of reference is needed! I will say that if you had BeyondFishing dot com and I had BeyondHunting dot com, if you were asking 200, I would be unlikely to ask XXXX unless i thought u were undervalued. If u were at 7k and I thought u were high I might come in at 3k or so . . .

And thank you for the feedback. I always appreciate constructive feedback and dialogue!!

 

[Ategy]

I hear what you are saying "bodybuilder" is one of your key terms in the mens supplement market.

Yup .. I definitely see BodyBuilder as a single key-term! The 2 words come together to form a single thing with separate (and more importantly commonly known and used) term.

To simplify what I mean .. in terms of valuation .. when I look at multiple words .. adding Men's to MensDietSupplements would have a similar effect of changing .com to .org or .net for DietSuppliments. But in this case DietSupplements.org still has value .. most 2-word .org/.net do not .. or at least not enough value to justify investing/holding.

Basically every deviation added waters down value relative to the original term/word. In some cases the original term like diet/supplement/RealEstate are so strong that even adding 2 deviations can still make for a domain worth investing in ... but not in most cases in my opinion. Usually 1 deviation (generally what most see as a standard 2-word .com) is all you can dilute to as an investor.


Another example ...

UsedDirtBike.com = TWO Key-Term Domain (1 deviation) .. because DirtBike is a single term to me
UsedDirtyBike.com = THREE Key-Term Domain (2 deviations) .. Because DirtyBike is NOT a natural single term to me (even if most bikes are naturally dirty .. lol)

 

[MapleDots]

Not a fan of plural names but at times it works well

For me....

MapleDots works and MapleDot does not

I could have registered mapledot years back but could not see the point for my application.

In most cases I go with what sounds right and don't bother with the other version.

 

[frank-germany]

So not in an appraisal sense, but do you see any value or marketability with these domains . . .

AtlantaFamilyPractice.com
CharlestonFamilyPractice.com
CharlotteFamilyPractice.com
LasVegasFamilyPractice.com
SanDiegoFamilyPractice.com
PhiladelphiaFamilyPractice.com
SeattleFamilyPractice.com
PhoenixFamilyPractice.com
MinneapolisFamilyPractice.com
FortWorthFamilyPractice.com

My thought process was
1. There are a ton of family practice businesses. I mean a ton. I was shocked at how many in fact.
2. I picked cities with large populations.
3. I picked cities with fairly large colleges/universities.
4. Medical as a field has a little money

I found those hard to sell
and for $xxx USD only

 

[Ategy]

Like I own LouisvilleDoctor.com.... The plural version once sold for $3500

You need to remember that past sales from back in the days where parking advertizing paid 10x what it does today makes keyword and directory type domain sales completely incomparable today.

What could have been a $10k domain back then is now effectively worthless .. or at least not worth the investment to a reseller/domainer.

Still the singular is better than the plural .. you'd likely need to do outbound on this to get a sale though. Good luck with it!

 

[Kuffy]

I was pulling through the posts to see if you had added more info about the white label site you mentioned earlier and wanted to comment on the plural aspect,

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The sponsor that I used to use to promote casino sites has merged with another group, and it looks as if they may not be so good, so I'm reviewing sponsors atm. I'm a member of a casino webmasters board, so I'll see what gets suggested there. I rejoined my old health sponsor, and they have given me some website templates, hence the HGH interest. It took me about 2 minutes to put this site onto the web - HGH age , and about 2 hours to choose the name. I'll do a bit of customising on the site later, and I've got some ideas about traffic generation. I want to make it part of a cluster of health domains, so I'll have to introduce a bit of cross linking.

 

[Mister Funsky]

I rejoined my old health sponsor, and they have given me some website templates, hence the HGH interest.

hghage looks good...nice and clean. I've got several health domains that are worth doing the same with. Thanks for sharing...any pointers to quality sponsors would be appreciated.

 

[Kuffy]

hghage looks good...nice and clean. I've got several health domains that are worth doing the same with. Thanks for sharing...any pointers to quality sponsors would be appreciated.

I sent you a pm rather than spam the board with my ref link.

 

[karmaco]

I think the GEO plus Doctor or Doctors would be best. Make your sector specific names as broad as possible for more potential end users. If its only limited to family practices that take alot of doctors out of the equation. If I had to be more specific because plain old doctors was take I'd aim at Specialities that are lucrative to the doctor. Surgeons, Dermatology, Cosmetic Surgery names, Ortho, Neurologists, Sports medicine, Therapists & Counseling, Cancer. Gyno etc.

 

[Kuffy]

Adding the keyword "street" to another keyword as a brandable only works for a very, very limited kind of name.

99.99999% of these types of names will never sell.

I agree with that, and the "keyword "st" is even worse. However, I couldn't resist registering RagSt.com - I've no idea what to do with it at the moment, but if I start to promote clothing, then I might use it as a "hanger" site.

 

[Kuffy]

WeedArtwork.com is available - that looks like an interesting name.

 

[Haykay2005]

It is time (if just for a moment) to take the gloves off. Bring all you got! Just be helpful!!

EthicsCount.com . . . I own. I got it 1/1/17. It had been previously owned for 4 years and then deleted.

EthicsMatter.com . . . Just sold back in February 2017 for $102. It does have some age to it!

I wonder if a domain like EthicsCount.com is better in the dot org realm or not?

EM has more search activity. I can't argue with the stats, more people look at ethics matter than ethics count. But I am a little surprised my EC hasn't drawn a little more attention.

Thoughts generally?

Any end users I should consider reaching out to?

I own PokerBlow.com

 

[Haykay2005]

Not to mention the sexual connotation...

That has negative connotations for me, I'm not sure I need to know ways to blow my money paying poker.

Hey guys! Hatred.com just sold for 150k.. Did you see it coming at all? It's also a negative word IMO.

 

[karmaco]

Interesting. I thought Money or Cash might be more lucrative depending on name good to know finance has hope with good secondary keyword. I dabbled in some finance and money ones too in my-- gasp-- "hand regs" Mine aren't very good but I got

EarlyBirdFinance
EarlyBirdMoney
MoneySway
MoneyKept
MoneyHoopla (could be money hoop LA too)
FinanceSerie
FinanceEarly
MoneySerie (serie spanish word for series, in succession, TV shows or podcasts etc)