Domain discussion more detailed than Reg of Day and Appraisals

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  1. Want2learn

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    I wanted to discuss some domains. I think Reg of the day is good for what it is and appraisals are good for what they are! I wanted a space where we could really talk domains. I have selfish motives bc I do want to talk about my domains . . . :) But I want to discuss your domains as well. Feel free to jump in with any constructive feedback that you have.
     
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    What names do you want to discuss then? I've just reg'd Gawpe.com , so you could gawpe at my names.

    Well you could if you don't mind the mis-spelling. :)

    gawpe - wider than the standard gawp.
     
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  3. Want2learn

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    So I'll start us off! I am trying to sell WesternStreet.com. As I was looking up pricing info I noticed a bunch of BLANKstreet.com domains.

    I noticed that cake street, wine street, coffee street, beer street, etc; were already taken. I checked a BUNCH of names. Food and otherwise. Some developed, most not. Seems pricing was low 1/2XXX.

    I decided to register DonutStreet.com and DoughnutStreet.com to cover both spellings. I am not just slick asking for appraisals for these! What are your thoughts in general about these names?

    IIRC donuts and doughnuts have a lot of traffic and are big business.

    Nice or nah?
     
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    I have a ton of names. I assume many of you do as well. I am hoping this is the type of info that can help me come renewal/dropping/selling time!

    Gawpe sounds like some Italian Gangster!
     
  5. Kuffy

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    Street isn't a word I would use, but I know it is used quite a bit in branding, so I don't think I'm qualified to comment. A lot of those type of names can be used to build great sites "Domain lake" for example, but they do require a bit of work imho.
     
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    One of the things I would be interested in is white labelling. I want to white label domains for revenue until I get a good purchase offer.
     
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    What are white labels?
     
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    What about VodkaStreet.com? Or does that fall into same comments from above? I know BourbonStreet is an actual street. Beer and wine streets were both gone. I guess we could have a million different liquor names . . . Businesses make more money off spirits than they do wine and beer! LiquorStreet was gone. I just saw Vodka is a 10 Billion dollar industry, and is second only to whiskey.

    I did think VodkaStreet.com would be better than SmirnoffStreet dot com!!
     
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    I used to work with a mens health sponsor, and I've just applied to re-open an account. They provide white label sites, and I want to set one up on a recent name of mine - MensDietSupplements.com They provide a SEO site, and you provide the domain name. You get a percentage of any revenue generated. Of course you have to do a bit to drive some traffic to the site. Once I've got it set up, I'll post a link. This afternoon I set up a white label tube site, and the info is in the adult section. I haven't been able to view the site as I'm on public WiFi
     
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    WHITELABEL: Is when you sell another company's products under your name. Web hosting is popular for that. Meaning you go to WebsiteX.com and buy your hosting plan .. it is branded under CompanyX .. but in actual fact they are GoDaddy resellers (you just don't know it because there has been a "White Label" placed over GoDaddy's so to speak). This is also a popular phenomenon for products coming out of China (and even locally) in that you have a small personal business who find a product they like to resell .. they then contact the original producers and arrange a system where the manufacturer ships directly to the end consumer, but under the reseller's name. A lot of people make big money in White Label sales .. most Amazon resellers are actually white label .. that's why you sometimes see 20 different "companies" selling the exact same product under their own name (cheap electronics, kitchen supplies, etc etc).

    As for the domain:
    Bourbon street can't be compared to other GenericStreet names ... Bourbon Street is a famous party street in New Orleans .. it's like if you had TheStrip.com (for Vegas).

    That being said .. I don't think ending in street is that bad for brandable creation. VodkaStreet is a good buy at HandReg in my opinion. Although I wouldn't pay much more than that. For some unknown reason DonutStreet doesn't ring for me, but I can't even explain why I don't place it in similar light to VodkaStreet .. lol

    Technically alcohol brands usually sell for more. There are certainly more Vodka startups out there than for donuts. The term street for me infers it is a market place however .. so not actually a brandable for a startup with a product, but more for a marketplace .. the only problem there is that any potential marketplace would be just vodka or donuts (those names could potentially hurt if they wanted to sell Rum or Cookies for example).

    But losts marketplaces do exist online .. tons of specialised Vodka ,, gourmet donuts as well, but on a much smaller scale.

    Also the hassle of dual spelling for donuts make it a messier sell and more likely any end user would use another way to brand themselves.

    Personally I'd pick up VodkaStreet but not DonutStreet. But it's far from being the worse domain I've ever seen! lol


    @Kuffy .. what is Gawpe misspelled from? I don't see it! lol
     
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    I think most Amazon sites are drop shipping sites rather than white label. Still a valid concept, but I think it involves a bit more work.
    The other idea I'm considering is using casino landing pages to build a site.
     
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    I like it. How long have you had it? Hand reg or secondary market?
     
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    Well .. actually I think technically they are both ... I that you can have drop shipping with no label or original manufacturer's label. White label is when the middle person (theoretically us if we're using our sites to resell or potential end user if they aren't manufacturing) has their own brand on all the boxes / documentation, etc. Basically the end buyer thinks the new brand is the manufacturer because of the changed labelling.

    But yes .. I'd think almost all White Label products would likely also be drop shipped, with the exception of Amazon reseller products, but in that case Amazon effectively acts as the drop shipper and marketplace .. so similar/same end result.
     
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    I actually don't like it as much .. repeating segments can be good (usually great even when 2 words rhyme) for short concise 2-word brandables .. but here it's 3 words and just sounds a bit clunky. It's not a terribly bad domain .. just not a great one either .. I wouldn't have picked it up at HandReg I'm sorry to say. If it were DomainStreet I think it would have been an amazing domain! :)
     
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    When you say, 'looking up pricing info' do you mean you were looking at other peoples asking price?

    How does somebody else's asking price effect the price of your domain? Everybody prices differently; some off market value, others in hope. At the end of the day it's valued what people are willing to pay. I know most sales are done privately so it's hard to use NameBio or DNPric.es to know what endusers are paying, but IMO it's a better place to look than other people's asking price.

    Start by choosing your main keyword. In the above discussion it seems it's 'street' Thus you search .com sales ending in 'street' Then you can see the kind of prefixes that (reported sales wise) pair well with suffix 'street' -- check sales date to see if sales are consistent or trendy.

    You can also search sales ending in 'streets' to get an idea if singular or plural is the better form. In this instance (134 sales ended in street vs 9 ending in streets)

    Some keywords such as Sport/Sports have more sales in plural. Not usually the case, but depending on word combo's, plural can be better sometimes. 230 reported sales singular sport vs 321 reported for the plural sports.
     
  17. Want2learn

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    Thank you for your feedback. This is one of the things that fascinates me about domaining, two things can be similar and worlds apart . . . CakeStreet or DonutStreet . . . or DonutStreet and DoughnutStreet . . . or BrandNames and RebrandNames.

    So let me toss another one out there. What do we call the people that rent homes? Renters! What do we call the homes that are rented? Rentals! And renters! If I owned 5 rental properties and you asked me how many renters I had, I would say 5. If you asked how many rentals I had occupied, I would say I have X renters. If you asked me how many rentals I was trying to sell I might say I am trying to sell X renters or X rentals. Im not sure if that is a regional thing or if you were typing this you would say the same things?

    I did think, now what will investors at NP say/ask? Is the concept renters for sale even a thing? Because it sounds like you are selling people! LOL

    Actually renters for sale appears to have a few potential meanings. Selling homes with tenants. Selling rental homes. Rent to own type concepts.

    RentalsForSale long gone.

    Thoughts on RentersForSale.com?
     
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    Namebio is what I was looking at, past sales history. I put in the keywords and just looked at what has sold historically/recently.

    Pricing is something I have found difficult to do well. History doesn't tell me how to price, but some sort of frame of reference is needed! I will say that if you had BeyondFishing dot com and I had BeyondHunting dot com, if you were asking 200, I would be unlikely to ask XXXX unless i thought u were undervalued. If u were at 7k and I thought u were high I might come in at 3k or so . . .

    And thank you for the feedback. I always appreciate constructive feedback and dialogue!!
     
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    I think the term is "Rental Properties" ... but in actuality every market category is different .. then within them there can sometimes be regional differences. That's why domaining can be good. If you have above average existing knowledge of a particular product/service category then you can find names that other domainers don't see.

    But in the end every niche is different. You need to look at potential end users and value of the niche (like real estate is vastly more profitable than donuts .. lol) .. then choose your names wisely! ;)
     
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    There is a difference between white label products and white label sites. I'm hoping for own branded sites that are provided by the retailer. I don't do anything other than drive traffic to them.
     
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    Personally the way I value domains .. anything added to a keyword is like changing it from .com to .org ... which is while 2 word .com's are a fraction of what 1 word dot coms are .. but a fraction of single word dot .com's can still be very good. But when you get to a fraction of a fraction .. like DomainMainStreet for example .. then your risk/reward and holding costs make it a large risk to make profit if your entire portfolio is like that,

    That being said .. I say "keyword" .. but I really mean "KeyTerm" .. meaning that if 2 or even 3 words naturally go together, then it's sometimes ok to have an offshoot word. In this case you'd think MainStreet would count for that .. but for some unknown reason I don't see it that way ... and at the end of the day .. sometimes domains are just that .. more art than science! FastDirtBike.com for me is a 2 key-term while DomainMainStreet is 3. But MainStreet is 1. I think the way you need to naturally pause when saying Domain Main Street splits up the "Main Street" into 2 in this particular case.

    Hope that made sense? lol


    You also need to look at natural language .. rebrandnames isn't really what you're looking for .. you're actually looking for RebrandingNames .. one of the small number of cases where the _ing works better. ReBrandNames isn't a thing .. or if it is then I would consider it a 3 word/term domain counting the Re as a deviation.


    Every set of words is different though .. that's why I've always said people need to have a very good command of English if they want to succeed at domaining in anything but short 3-4L and/or numerics.
     
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    I know what you're trying to say .. but in reality white label sites are actually a simply white label services .. White Labeling can be done for products and services .. and in some cases it can be both ... a manufacturer can actually make reseller sites under different names for their sales agents and do all the back end from transactional to shipping .. all the site owner is responsible for is getting the traffic/sales! :)

    But yes .. those 2 sub-sets of White Labeling are technically a bit different in how they work.
     
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    Key phrases are interesting. I'm going to try using "mens diet supplements" and see how it goes. It's far too long a name, but the key phrase has reasonable click potential imho.
     
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    That's why I personally use the term "Key Term" .. phrases are separate words and should be counted that way ... what I'm talking about are things like "GoForIt" "CandyCane" "DirtBike" .. basically words that are so connected and associated to each other that for domaining purposes you can consider them as a single word (with bigger factor keeping them less valuable than real single words being the obvious actual length of these terms but I almost see GoForIt.com as a 7 letter single word. Now beyond that however .. is the obvious quality of the word/term .. which is a huge factor in itself.

    "Mens Diet Supplements" to me is a 3 word domain ... but an obvious good one. Diet Supplements is a strong er quality 2 word phrase .. then adding "Men's" dilutes it's strength to a 3 word .. but don't get me wrong .. there are good 3 words out there .. I'd obviously want to look at the metrics .. but I'd guess MensDietSupplements is one of them. But essentially MensDietSupplements is a fraction of DietSupplements which is a further fraction of Supplements. Going the other way, GoForIt isn't a fraction of ForIt. Although in some cases like Candy vs CandyCane they can be split ... it's just that I say "Key-Term" when the added component doesn't hurt the overall value nearly as much as adding a non-natually-associated word.


    OK .. Little Steamie needs to go for a walk .. back later! :)
     
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    I think most domainers find pricing difficult. History doesn't tell us if the seller left money on the table (unless you see it sold for XXX in 2010 and XX,XXX in 2017 - and even then trends change, $hit happens that may affect price at different times)

    I just wanted to make sure you didn't make the same mistake I did. ie SurfReport + City.com priced for sale at $25k thus reg all related big surfer locations and price SurfReport + City.com accordingly. When really, even if I found a Surf Report buyer, that type of domain (generally) IMO isn't worth $XX,XXX so asking that amount potentially scares buyers away for good.

    What I've found to work for me, is price the domain what you feel it is worth. Even if people tell you it's a sh*t, but you think it's valuable, then stick to your guns because in negotiations that value will show. Whereas if you value a domain high just because, but don't fully believe in it, it's hard (especially in phone conversation) to vocally justify the high price. Whereas, when you believe in the domains value, you'll be able to shrug off low ball offers and stay strong on your ask because you believe eventually you will get full ask.
     

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