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The above statement is just a prediction of mine. Blocking .com's for an unfair advantage over US company's would not be beyond them and it is definitely doable. Verisign does not even have a license to use or sell .com's in China, it was only tolerated. But that might change very soon (effective March 1, 2016)

Research MIIT, the Chinese government organization that regulates the internet and domain names in China. This has all been talked about for quite sometime, long before Google re-organized under abc.xyz (do some research for once). It was also well understood that .xyz and .club would be two of the first foreign registrars to get a license in China.

According to Daniel Negari, XYZ is the only U.S. registrar to apply for a license in China AND coordinate with ICANN about it. While a lot of .com loyalists have been bashing new GTLD's a lot of people have been in the background hand registering cheap domain names. A lot of large .COM portfolio holders already sold out and domain name news outlets are slowly easing on their criticism.

TheDomains was right, it will take an intense marketing campaign by at least 2 to 3 major brands. He mentions the Super Bowl as a good example and if you do some research, that is exactly what's happening.

ChrisRice.xyz
 
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Verisign will probably replace their .com in China with a Traditional Chinese version of their .com.

(check their Japanese IDN)
.COM is a transliterate to Chinese? Why would they want to use that if it has no meaning? Someone should do a search for Verisign's version of .com and see how many results it gets: ็‚น็œ‹
 
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.COM is a transliterate to Chinese? Why would they want to use that if it has no meaning? Someone should do a search for Verisign's version of .com and see how many results it gets: ็‚น็œ‹

OPEN A WORLD OF OPPORTUNITY WITH NEW CUSTOMERS, NEW REGISTRATIONS, AND EXPANDING WEB SERVICES.
Verisign Internationalized Domain Names (IDNs) enable businesses to say .com and.net in local language characters. Itโ€™s a friendlier, more meaningful way to connect with customers.


The IDN Registration Processโ€จ
A registrant requests an IDN from a registrar that supports IDNs. The registrar converts the local-language characters into a sequence of supported letters using an ASCII-compatible encoding (ACE). The registrar submits the ACE string to the Verisignยฎ Shared Registration System (SRS) where it is validated. The IDN is added to the .com and .net TLD zone files and propagated across the Internet.

โ€จIDN Resolution Process
When a user enters an IDN using native scripts into a Web browser or follows a link, IDN-enabled applications encode the characters into an ACE string that the DNS understands. The DNS processes the request and returns the information to the application. Although the process sounds simple, IDN-enabled application and the DNS support of different languages and scripts has required significant research and development.

https://www.verisign.com/en_US/channel-resources/domain-registry-products/idn/index.xhtml
 
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OPEN A WORLD OF OPPORTUNITY WITH NEW CUSTOMERS, NEW REGISTRATIONS, AND EXPANDING WEB SERVICES.
Verisign Internationalized Domain Names (IDNs) enable businesses to say .com and.net in local language characters. Itโ€™s a friendlier, more meaningful way to connect with customers.


The IDN Registration Processโ€จ
A registrant requests an IDN from a registrar that supports IDNs. The registrar converts the local-language characters into a sequence of supported letters using an ASCII-compatible encoding (ACE). The registrar submits the ACE string to the Verisignยฎ Shared Registration System (SRS) where it is validated. The IDN is added to the .com and .net TLD zone files and propagated across the Internet.

โ€จIDN Resolution Process
When a user enters an IDN using native scripts into a Web browser or follows a link, IDN-enabled applications encode the characters into an ACE string that the DNS understands. The DNS processes the request and returns the information to the application. Although the process sounds simple, IDN-enabled application and the DNS support of different languages and scripts has required significant research and development.

https://www.verisign.com/en_US/channel-resources/domain-registry-products/idn/index.xhtml

I searched ๆœบๆž„, which has only ~300 regs and 81,800,000 results. I came up with only 39,700,000 results using ็‚น็œ‹. This Verizon domain sort of defeats the purpose of having IDN in the first place, since it is not a real word in Chinese. It is as silly to Chinese as xyz is to Americans. You were wrong about china blocking .com too, so you should let this thread go.
 
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It is as silly to Chinese as xyz is to Americans.

Verisign won't really have a choice to do anything else besides that if .com gets blocked in China. Try to look deeper and under-estimate yourself before under-estimating a billion dollar company.

You're market depth is miniscule compared to international companies like Verisign, Google and Facebook.

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There are an awful lot of cocky .com investors and NamePro members that believe they know how to run a billion dollar company better than the people who founded and manage those companies.

It's funny sometimes but usually irritating to read.
 
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Verisign won't really have a choice to do anything else besides that if .com gets blocked in China. Try to look deeper and under-estimate yourself before under-estimating a billion dollar company.

You're market depth is miniscule compared to international companies like Verisign, Google and Facebook.

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There are an awful lot of cocky .com investors and NamePro members that believe they know how to run a billion dollar company better than the people who founded and manage those companies.

It's funny sometimes but usually irritating to read.
You are assuming china blocks .com and that china accepts ็‚น็œ‹. Even if that all happens, it is still a bad extension. You bringing it up in this thread is way off topic.
 
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Try to look deeper and under-estimate yourself before under-estimating a billion dollar company.
Try to look deeper and under-estimate yourself before under-estimating people who have a track record of domain sales :)
 
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Try to look deeper and under-estimate yourself before under-estimating people who have a track record of domain sales :)

There are some people who have a track record of domain sales that agree with me @Kate

Most of the .xyz sales are private transactions. @Zandibot is another domainer that has invested in .xyz, even if he doesn't endorse all of my theories.

Your expertise isn't in domaining or investing in general, it is mainly in .com investing which has been easy since the market has been trending up for the last 10+ years. I've already discussed this with you so we can agree to disagree.

This might be my first time making a major prediction in the domaining arena but I already have some credibility now that China has announced the same type of 'Draconian' regulations that most of you termed 'bullsh**' in January of this year.
 
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You are assuming china blocks .com and that china accepts ็‚น็œ‹. Even if that all happens, it is still a bad extension. You bringing it up in this thread is way off topic.

Good extension or bad extension, it shows that Verisign is preparing to launch something other than .com in China and foriegn countries who use a non-English language. Since this thread is about .com getting blocked and not being used in China, it is on topic.

I am the one that created this thread. @JayT
 
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Good extension or bad extension, it shows that Verisign is preparing to launch something other than .com in China and foriegn countries who use a non-English language. Since this thread is about .com getting blocked and not being used in China, it is on topic.

I am the one that created this thread. @JayT
Oh well by all means go on, keep pumping extensions that are blocked in china while you tell us that these very same extensions can't be used by them. Do you really think versign is going to put severs and software in china plus deal with a government telling them what to delete constantly? No US company is that stupid! They would likely fine Verisign billions for some non-compliance somewhere down the line. People don't trust china with business. This whole .com blocking seems like a scam to fine people who don't know about a new law. It's theft as far as i'm concerned.
 
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Your expertise isn't in domaining or investing in general, it is mainly in .com investing which has been easy since the market has been trending up for the last 10+ years. I've already discussed this with you so we can agree to disagree.
I invest a lot in ccTLDs too. Not just .com. Even if China blocks them I don't care, because China obviously isn't the target market. On the other hand, .xyz on which you invested heavily doesn't seem to get much use outside China.
Diversification is essential.
 
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I invest a lot in ccTLDs too. Not just .com. Even if China blocks them I don't care, because China obviously isn't the target market. On the other hand, .xyz on which you invested heavily doesn't seem to get much use outside China.
Diversification is essential.

Its good that you are investing in ccTLDs. That is my next target and I will start investing in specific ccTLDs once I start making consistent sales in .XYZ.

I am diversified in a general sense in terms of my overall finances but you are right, 95% of my domains are in .xyz. I am starting off as a niche domainer and I believe .xyz has the most upside to help me get started.

Even though I disagree with you on a lot, I appreciate your replies.
 
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Chinese investors have invested TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY in .com's.
It is highly unlikely that the Chinese govt. will try to dethrone .com . This will lead to massive amounts of losses to their own domain industry which has invested a good portion of their domain invesments into .com;s
 
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Towards A Greater Chinese Firewall? - China Issues New Draft Domain Name Rules.
Legal News & Analysis - Asia Pacific - China โ€“ TMT
18 April, 2016



Summary

On 25 March 2016, the Chinese Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (the "MIIT") issued Draft Rules on the Administration of Internet Domain Names ("Draft") and issued a call for comments. The Draft has raised serious concerns among the public and the international media. In this article we summarize the key changes in the Draft, and try to distinguish fact from fiction.

Overview of main changes under the Draft

The Draft regulates most aspects of the domain name system in China, and contains various provisions ranging from minimum requirements applicable to domain name registrars, to detailed rules regulating domain name registration services.

While the scope of application of the Draft is somewhat vaguely limited to domain name services "rendered within China", the Draft applies to all top-level domains, e.g. ".cn" and ".ไธญๅ›ฝ", but also ".com" and new generic top-level domain names.

The main changes under the Draft are:

a) Root-server operators, domain name registries and registrars must be legal entities established in China, and their servers and databases must be located in China (this echoes the recently issued Online Publishing Regulations, which we discuss here);

b) Root-server operators, domain name registries and registrars must comply with extensive requirements relating to personal data protection, network security, verification of registrant details, data keeping and other matters;

c) The enforcement authorities are granted increased investigation and enforcement powers; and

d) Any domain name (whether .com, .cn, etc.) whose website is hosted in China must be registered with a Chinese domain name registrar, otherwise Chinese ISPs must refuse Internet access. This is by far the most widely discussed provision. We analyse it in more detail below.



All foreign websites blocked?

As discussed under d) above, by far the most controversial provision in the Draft is article 37. Article 37 provides -unofficial translation-: "Domain names whose network connection takes place in China, shall have services provided by domain name registrars in China, and domain name registries in China shall carry out the operational management [of the domain name]. For domain names whose network connection takes place in China, but which are not managed by domain name registrars in China, Internet access service providers shall not provide network connection services."

This provision has been interpreted and criticized by various sources in the international media as an explicit attempt to fence the Chinese internet off from foreign websites. However, to come to a better understanding of this provision, one should look at the technical side of browsing websites (as explained below) and at how the Draft would impact on the current version of the Domain Name Rules.

The steps involved in browsing the Internet can be roughly summarized as follows: websites can be visited by selecting a certain protocol identifier (e.g. http) followed by a resource name, which includes a domain name such as hoganlovells.com. The protocol identifier and resource name together make up a uniform resource locator (or "URL"). The URL is linked to a specific IP address through the Domain Name System. Each IP address in turn points to a server that hosts the website files or other data being sought by the user. The server is connected to the Internet through an ISP, which in turn enables routing of the data through the Internet to the user. Websites hosted on a server located in China generally use Chinese ISPs, and overseas hosted websites normally use overseas ISPs.

The current rules (which came into operation in 2004) do not contain any prohibition against ISPs in China providing Internet access services to domain names registered with an overseas registrar.

The Draft would change this. All domain names hosted in China would be required to be registered with a Chinese domain name registrar- a new requirement that appears to be in line with the Chinese Government's aim to render the Internet and IT industry in general "secure and controllable" (for more information see here, here or here).

However, we believe that the conclusion that all foreign websites (or even all websites with foreign top level domain names) would be blocked in China is โ€“for now- incorrect.

Foreign websites, hosted on foreign servers would in principle not be affected by the Draft, but could still be blocked or disrupted by the Internet censorship controls often referred to as the "Great Chinese Firewall", a circumstance that they find themselves in already. This was recently โ€“yet unofficially- confirmed by MIIT, and seems to find support in article 2 of the Draft, which limits the territorial scope of application to China. What remains clear, of course, is whether or not the restrictions of the Great Chinese Firewall would increase in the wake of the issuance of rules based on the Draft.

Companies forced to switch to a Chinese Domain Names registrar?

A significant number of Chinese e-businesses (including some of China's largest e-commerce companies) have registered their domain names overseas, with servers located abroad and in China.

Should the Draft be enacted as proposed, then these companies would need to choose to either transfer their domain names to a registrar located in China, or forego their Chinese server and operate as an overseas website. In principle then, the Draft does not force a localization of foreign web sites in China, but it does mean that web site operators choosing to hold foreign-registered domain names must now face the risk that they may more frequently be blocked or disrupted by the Great Chinese Firewall.

For companies with domain names registered overseas but having the bulk of their business (and website servers) in China, it may in practical terms make sense to move the registration of their domain names to China, but the Draft would not require them to do so.

Conclusions

The Draft does appear to be aimed at increasing the Chinese Government's control over the Internet through the registration of domain names, consistent with the Chinese Government's aim to render the 'Chinese Internet' and IT industry in general more "secure and controllable", an aim that is underpinned by other recent legislation such as the recent National Security Law, the draft Cyber Security Law, the Counter-Terrorism Law and the Online Publishing Regulations (which we discuss here and here).

However, on the basis of the somewhat vague provisions that are now available, the specific requirements of the Draft appear to be more focused than a complete block on foreign Internet traffic, as some media reports have suggested.

In any event, it is clear that heated debate is currently ongoing in the sector, and that the dust has not yet settled on this topic.

Comments on the Draft can be submitted until April 25th (here). We expect commentary to be significant given the importance of the Chinese Internet, both to multi-national businesses and Chinese businesses that register their domain names abroad

- See more at: http://www.conventuslaw.com/report/...e-firewall-china-issues/#sthash.gR8dAUBq.dpuf

@Kate @JB Lions @Zandibot
 
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โ€˜Cooperativeโ€™ Attitude: coming from the Communists this is quite an endorsement :P
Joking aside, doesn't he have a Chinese wife ? I also heard he was learning Chinese but not sure.

that,s the point , you don,t pay attention and you know nothing
 
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Try to look deeper and under-estimate yourself before under-estimating people who have a track record of domain sales :)

you advice people and you don,t do it yourself
you are superficial
 
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Seeking Access to Facebook in China, Zuckerberg Courts Risks

Mark Zuckerberg in China.
  • Mr. Zuckerberg, the Facebookfounder, returned to Beijing for yet another trip that drew local headlines and captivated online China. He wrote a post that went viral about ajog through Tiananmen Square; held a widely covered conversation with Chinaโ€™s best-known entrepreneur, Jack Ma of Alibaba; and on Saturdaymet with one of the most powerful men in China, Liu Yunshan, the countryโ€™s propaganda chief.
    Video Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook and Jack Ma of Alibaba discussed the state of the Chinese economy at a forum in Beijing on Saturday.
    It followed previous trips in which Mr. Zuckerberg impressed Chinese audiences with his rookie Chinese language skills and spoke about his fascination with the country. Even at times while he was outside China, hemet with Chinaโ€™s president, Xi Jinping; told a Chinese official he was reading a book of Mr. Xiโ€™s words and gave his newborn daughter, Max, a Chinese name. (It is Chen Mingyu.)

    The visits have cemented his place as one of the best-known foreign business executives in China. But it is far from clear whether his charm offensive will unlock Mr. Zuckerbergโ€™s ultimate goal: persuading the Chinese government to lift its ban on the social media service and open it to the countryโ€™s almost 700 million Internet users.

    Courting Chinese leaders in such a public fashion is an unusual strategy for a foreign executive. With star power comes influence, and any clout not directly controlled by the Chinese Communist Party can be deemed dangerous. China demonstrated this last month, when a widely read social media account of a prominent real estate tycoon disappeared after he criticized Mr. Xiโ€™s call for unswerving loyalty from the countryโ€™s media.

    The few American technology firms that have entered China in recent years have played down their efforts. Though Travis Kalanick, a founder of Uber, frequently travels to China, news of his presence rarely spreads across the Chinese Internet. There was almost no fanfare in advance of LinkedInโ€™s deal with two closely connected Chinese venture capital shops to enter China, an event that was marked with a blog post.

    If Mr. Zuckerberg succeeds, it could show other foreign companies blocked in China that they have a potential path into the huge and fast-growing market โ€” one that calls for them to accept Chinaโ€™s strict controls on discourse and to refrain from rocking the boat. A failure would underscore Chinese distrust of foreign technology companies and cement the idea that the low-profile approach is the only way to gain market access.

Mr. Zuckerbergโ€™s meeting with Mr. Liu โ€” a rarity for an American business executive โ€” underscores the dynamic. Mr. Liu sits on the Chinese Communist Partyโ€™s Politburo Standing Committee, the summit of power in China. The meeting serves Chinaโ€™s propaganda purposes, allowing the country to show that one of the titans of Americaโ€™s new tech-based economy is happy to pay homage to Chinaโ€™s leaders and its style of Internet governance.

If there is anyone Facebook has to win over, it is Mr. Liu, who has for years presided over the controls on Chinaโ€™s highly censored and stage-managed media.

At the meeting, Mr. Liu lauded Facebookโ€™s technology prowess, but he also emphasized the importance of Internet governance โ€œwith Chinese characteristics,โ€ according to an official state news media account, a reference to censorship and surveillance within China.

Mr. Zuckerberg praised Chinaโ€™s progress in building an advanced Internet and vowed to work with Chinese peers to โ€œbuild a better world in cyberspace,โ€ according to Xinhua, Chinaโ€™s official news agency.

Facebook did not respond to a request for comment.

On Friday, Mr. Zuckerberg posted a photo of himself smiling as he jogged past the Mao Zedong portrait in Tiananmen Square. He avoided mentioning both the violent crackdown on peaceful demonstrators there in 1989 and that morningโ€™s dangerous air pollution levels.

During the discussion with Mr. Ma, the Alibaba founder, on Saturday, Mr. Zuckerberg also generally avoided sensitive topics, speaking instead about artificial intelligence and what should motivate entrepreneurs. He also praised Chinaโ€™s emphasis on engineering, saying that he believed it would help solve future labor shortages associated with high-technology jobs.

โ€œIn general weโ€™re seeing a huge constraint around the world on the number of good engineers who are graduating from universities,โ€ Mr. Zuckerberg said. โ€œAnd I think this is something that China has gotten really right by emphasizing for a long time.โ€

Chinaโ€™s state-run television broadcaster China Central Television posted a social media message that included a photo of Mr. Zuckerberg and his wife, Priscilla Chan, who is Chinese-American. Next to the photo, a cartoon character declares, โ€œA son-in-law of China!โ€

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/2...risks.html?referer=https://www.google.com.ph/
does any domainer pay attention ?

Mark and Priscilla named her daughter after Priscilla Chan , so her name is CHAN MINGYU and not
Chen Mingyu
( bad translation )
domainers don,t listen
Seeking Access to Facebook in China, Zuckerberg Courts Risks

Mark Zuckerberg in China.
  • Mr. Zuckerberg, the Facebookfounder, returned to Beijing for yet another trip that drew local headlines and captivated online China. He wrote a post that went viral about ajog through Tiananmen Square; held a widely covered conversation with Chinaโ€™s best-known entrepreneur, Jack Ma of Alibaba; and on Saturdaymet with one of the most powerful men in China, Liu Yunshan, the countryโ€™s propaganda chief.
    Video Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook and Jack Ma of Alibaba discussed the state of the Chinese economy at a forum in Beijing on Saturday.
    It followed previous trips in which Mr. Zuckerberg impressed Chinese audiences with his rookie Chinese language skills and spoke about his fascination with the country. Even at times while he was outside China, hemet with Chinaโ€™s president, Xi Jinping; told a Chinese official he was reading a book of Mr. Xiโ€™s words and gave his newborn daughter, Max, a Chinese name. (It is Chen Mingyu.)

    The visits have cemented his place as one of the best-known foreign business executives in China. But it is far from clear whether his charm offensive will unlock Mr. Zuckerbergโ€™s ultimate goal: persuading the Chinese government to lift its ban on the social media service and open it to the countryโ€™s almost 700 million Internet users.

    Courting Chinese leaders in such a public fashion is an unusual strategy for a foreign executive. With star power comes influence, and any clout not directly controlled by the Chinese Communist Party can be deemed dangerous. China demonstrated this last month, when a widely read social media account of a prominent real estate tycoon disappeared after he criticized Mr. Xiโ€™s call for unswerving loyalty from the countryโ€™s media.

    The few American technology firms that have entered China in recent years have played down their efforts. Though Travis Kalanick, a founder of Uber, frequently travels to China, news of his presence rarely spreads across the Chinese Internet. There was almost no fanfare in advance of LinkedInโ€™s deal with two closely connected Chinese venture capital shops to enter China, an event that was marked with a blog post.

    If Mr. Zuckerberg succeeds, it could show other foreign companies blocked in China that they have a potential path into the huge and fast-growing market โ€” one that calls for them to accept Chinaโ€™s strict controls on discourse and to refrain from rocking the boat. A failure would underscore Chinese distrust of foreign technology companies and cement the idea that the low-profile approach is the only way to gain market access.

Mr. Zuckerbergโ€™s meeting with Mr. Liu โ€” a rarity for an American business executive โ€” underscores the dynamic. Mr. Liu sits on the Chinese Communist Partyโ€™s Politburo Standing Committee, the summit of power in China. The meeting serves Chinaโ€™s propaganda purposes, allowing the country to show that one of the titans of Americaโ€™s new tech-based economy is happy to pay homage to Chinaโ€™s leaders and its style of Internet governance.

If there is anyone Facebook has to win over, it is Mr. Liu, who has for years presided over the controls on Chinaโ€™s highly censored and stage-managed media.

At the meeting, Mr. Liu lauded Facebookโ€™s technology prowess, but he also emphasized the importance of Internet governance โ€œwith Chinese characteristics,โ€ according to an official state news media account, a reference to censorship and surveillance within China.

Mr. Zuckerberg praised Chinaโ€™s progress in building an advanced Internet and vowed to work with Chinese peers to โ€œbuild a better world in cyberspace,โ€ according to Xinhua, Chinaโ€™s official news agency.

Facebook did not respond to a request for comment.

On Friday, Mr. Zuckerberg posted a photo of himself smiling as he jogged past the Mao Zedong portrait in Tiananmen Square. He avoided mentioning both the violent crackdown on peaceful demonstrators there in 1989 and that morningโ€™s dangerous air pollution levels.

During the discussion with Mr. Ma, the Alibaba founder, on Saturday, Mr. Zuckerberg also generally avoided sensitive topics, speaking instead about artificial intelligence and what should motivate entrepreneurs. He also praised Chinaโ€™s emphasis on engineering, saying that he believed it would help solve future labor shortages associated with high-technology jobs.

โ€œIn general weโ€™re seeing a huge constraint around the world on the number of good engineers who are graduating from universities,โ€ Mr. Zuckerberg said. โ€œAnd I think this is something that China has gotten really right by emphasizing for a long time.โ€

Chinaโ€™s state-run television broadcaster China Central Television posted a social media message that included a photo of Mr. Zuckerberg and his wife, Priscilla Chan, who is Chinese-American. Next to the photo, a cartoon character declares, โ€œA son-in-law of China!โ€

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/2...risks.html?referer=https://www.google.com.ph/

Mark and Priscilla named her daughter after Priscilla Chan , so her name is CHAN MINGYU
and not Chen Mingyu ( bad translation )
domainers don,t listen
 
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You are assuming china blocks .com and that china accepts ็‚น็œ‹. Even if that all happens, it is still a bad extension. You bringing it up in this thread is way off topic.

There is so much misinformation here.

If China blocks .com they will of course block all other US and foreign extensions too. No investor would gain from that.

Also they didn't say the would block extensions they said they would block domains that are registered with a foreign registrar.

In practice little would change, but US registrars like Godaddy would lose customers.

The reason of blocking would of course be to avoid having websites out of reach of government control. So if they wanted to do that they would want to eliminate .xyz as well.
 
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There is so much misinformation here.

If China blocks .com they will of course block all other US and foreign extensions too. No investor would gain from that.

Also they didn't say the would block extensions they said they would block domains that are registered with a foreign registrar.

In practice little would change, but US registrars like Godaddy would lose customers.

The reason of blocking would of course be to avoid having websites out of reach of government control. So if they wanted to do that they would want to eliminate .xyz as well.
 
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