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Brent Oxley Loses Access to Create.com, Plus Millions of Dollars Worth of His Domains

Labeled as information in Domain Industry News, started by James Iles, Mar 4, 2021

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  1. monotheist

    monotheist Established Member

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    Moral of the story. Easy money easy go. Moral number 2. Greed kills. Brent should have retired with 300 million.
     
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  2. Future Sensors

    Future Sensors 78% of human domainers will be replaced by robots Gold Account

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    The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this posting are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14 [RFC 2119] [RFC 8174] when, and only when, they appear in all capitals, as shown here.
     
  3. GTBAAA

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    First post of yours that I like.
     
  4. oldtimer

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    It's important to realize the difference between a court order which can lock the domains at the Registrar and a court judgment that can take those domains away from the Registrant.

    If a Regisrar does not want to comply with a court order or judgment then it might be bypassed all together and I believe the domains can to be locked or even get canceled at the Registry.

    IMO
     
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  5. create.com

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    There's no reason any of this should be political. Yes, I own a tank business and a ranch that I lose millions of dollars on a year on. Conservation isn't cheap when you have 10,000+ mouths to feed.

    We have never hunted a giraffe and never will. We purchased five giraffes and now have 14 on the property, thanks to our conservation efforts. I wrote a blog post on this if anyone is interested in a little more information. https://www.oxhuntingranch.com/blog/ranch-vision-and-owner/

    I'd happily shut down all hunting tomorrow if someone wanted to pay our bills. It's easy for people to say what's right and wrong without actually doing anything themselves to make a difference.

    The fact some of you are hinting that I should lose my property and domains simply
    because you disagree with my views is not a only threat to freedom but a threat to life itself. This type of ideology is exactly why I believe in the second amendment!
     
  6. Sutruk

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    @create.com this is the transcript of the dispute in the US. Please check it and see what's wrong from the very first second.

    From Transcript:

    https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsd.1785233/gov.uscourts.txsd.1785233.17.0.pdf

    THE COURT:...But then let me get to you, Mr. Carsey, because,really, what you're asking for almost seems like you're asking for relief against GoDaddy, not against Mr. Agarwal.
    .........
    MR. CARSEY:...however, our dispute really isn't with GoDaddy. Our dispute is with Mr. Agarwal.
    THE COURT: I know, but are you saying that you want a TRO telling GoDaddy to release the names?
    MR. CARSEY: Yes. Yes.
    THE COURT: So that is really a temporary restraining order against GoDaddy. It's not against Mr. Agarwal.
    MR. CARSEY: Oh, yeah, but he's -- he's -- he's --he's entitled to be notified of this, but, yeah, I've notified GoDaddy, and they're --
    THE COURT: I know, but what -- who you're asking me to restrain is GoDaddy from enforcing the provisions of their --of their contract --
    MR. CARSEY: Well --
    THE COURT: -- and I --
    MR. CARSEY: Well --
    THE COURT: -- and you don't have a lawsuit against GoDaddy"

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    Really, it's self explanatory.
     
  7. Sutruk

    Sutruk Top Contributor VIP

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    Take that advice for yourself, and don't ask for $1M for your 1 day old registered domain.
     
  8. The Rover

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    That just confirms that you're likely right over the target. I've said from the beginning that at least "considering" that this is ideologically motivated or politically motivated, should be included in the discussion.
     
  9. equity78

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    Interesting from the post below the one linked, thanks for posting.

    I’m willing to bet $25,000 that Ox Ranch’s animals quality of life beats the highest rated Wholefood’s national distributors. I challenge any anti-hunter to take me up on this bet and prove me wrong. The requirement to collect on this bet is that the investigation will require on-site documented proof of both the national distributor as well as Ox Ranch. I believe Wholefoods is the gold standard of the grocery world and is the very reason I’d like our animal well-being compared to theirs.

    You’ll also find that our animals are happier and healthier than those confined to small enclosures in zoos. I recently visited a zoo for the first time since purchasing Ox Ranch and was saddened to see how depressed the animals looked. The most shocking thing that I noticed was how dull and unhealthy the animal coats looked.

    Ox Ranch is 18,000 acres, and while it’s a huge property, the land can only sustain so many animals. The property was overgrazed before my purchase and continues to be so. If it weren’t for the $500,000 we spend a year on supplemental feed hundreds if not thousands of animals would starve to death.

    The wildlife population would double every two to four years if the ranch were absent of both predators and hunters. This growth would ultimately result in our feed bill growing exponentially, and at some point, either predators or hunting would once again be the solution. Ox Ranch doesn’t have any predators. However, we do have plenty of hunters to help offset a portion of our losses as well as keep herds in check.

    Australia is one of if the not the most prominent anti-hunting and gun countries in the world, and yet they slaughter around 5 million kangaroos annually according to government reports. (Gray, 2013). The independent.co.uk reports 1.5 million were murdered in 2015 to protect grasslands and wildlife. (Bulman 2017). The worst thing is that I’d be surprised if they harvest even a small percentage of this slaughter for food!

    What do you do with populations that don’t have predators and whose numbers keep growing? Should we let these animals starve to death when the land can’t support them?

    It’s funny how many people are anti-hunting but support what Peta is doing. According to the HuffingtonPost Peta took in $51,933,000 in donations in 2014, while simultaneously murdering 81% of the of animals at it’s Norfolk, Virginia shelter (Greenwood, 2015). Ox Ranch takes in $0 in donations, is losing millions of dollars, and hunts just a few percent of our animals a year.

    It’s horrible to hear this, but if there were a viable alternative for these animals, I’m confident Peta would be doing it.

    There are somewhere around 550,000 whitetail deer hunted a year in Texas with an additional 100,00 killed from car accidents (Tompkins, 2008). I can’t even begin to imagine how many car accidents there would be if the state didn’t offer hunting permits to control their population. The accident totals would continue to compound as the grass in the fields becomes further overgrazed, and the highway grass became more desired.

    Any solution besides hunting, euthanizing, culling, or whatever else you may call it, is a band-aid solution until funding or food runs out. Eventually, Earth’s population is going to hit an unsustainable number, and humanity is going to have to make some difficult decisions. We either figure out a cheap form of space travel and colonization or be destined to a future filled with wars and famine.

    It’s all about sustainability, without sustainability there is no long-term solution. We have many endangered species at Ox Ranch, and while we hunt a few, their numbers continue to grow while shrinking in their native lands.

    There’s rarely a perfect solution, but the fact is what we’re doing in Texas works, provides meat on the table, brings tax revenue in, and is saving many species from the brink of extinction such as the scimitar-horned oryx, addax, and dama gazelle. (Freemantle, 2012).

    Thank you very much for taking the time to read this, as well as further educating yourself on what is a very sensitive topic. I invite you to continue the conversation by commenting below.
     
  10. monotheist

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    Guys, Don't waste you time here. Your opinion really doesn't matter. Court will decide.
     
  11. lambo.com

    lambo.com KTON.com $kton $ring VIP

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    Your property, offering and vision look great
     
  12. NickB

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    It's a public forum.........
     
  13. oldtimer

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    I understand that in the current environment some animals have to be killed for the purposes of providing food and or conservation, although I am hoping that as our technological abilities increase that we can put an end to all the killings altogether (killing of any kind, man or animal).

    But what really bothers me is seeing people jumping with so much joy when they shoot a helpless animal,

    Why do people show so much joy when hunting big game,

    IMO
     
  14. The Rover

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    @create.com You're 100% correct it shouldn't be, yet here we are, living in a world where stranger things have happened over the last 4 years.
     
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  15. monotheist

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    Isn’t a soldier happy when he kills his adversary? There is nothing wrong in expressing joy when you hit the target. Eco system will collapse if you don’t kill animals for your consumption. Crime will increase if you don’t execute a serial killer.
     
  16. Compassion

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    In 50 years, this sentence will sum up what readers will need to know about how this started.

    ....We shall see how GD steps up in regards to setting precedent.
     
  17. The Rover

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    @create.com I mean, you were even "attacked" last year for burning toilet paper, for crying out loud. None of this should be a shock to anyone. Which is precisely why I suggested that an aspect of this case, could in fact be ideologically or politically driven. Is there an individual or multiple people over at GoDaddy who simply don't like you? Who knows. However, as you've acknowledged, some of the replies on this very thread merely underscore that possibility. Let's hope that's not what is occurring here, but if we're being honest with ourselves, it has to be considered at least a possibility. Especially in these times. One just has to glance at Bhutani's twitter feed to get a sense of what he believes in, his worldviews, and his "mission" etc etc. As long humans are in charge, bias will inevitably influence key decisions from time to time.

    One step closer to finding any of this out, is to find out how many other large portfolios (or even a single domain for that matter) were ever "locked down" without even a court order. Does GoDaddy routinely ignore baseless claims like this? Were you strangely one of the "first" that they decided to not ignore? These are the critical questions that must be answered, in addition to merely discussing GoDaddy's seemingly insane TOS.
     
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  18. lambo.com

    lambo.com KTON.com $kton $ring VIP

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    Why are you obsessed with externalized notions of virtue?
     
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  19. The Rover

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    I can't speak for the namepro member above, however, in many cases, being obsessed with virtue allows people to hide their own flaws. It's often a deflection tactic. Virtue signaling into the ether is a method of distracting away from anything they themselves may be "guilty of". People who scream "racism!" first, are often some of the most racist people you'll ever meet. This is why you'll see so many elites preaching "love" on the internet, when they have some the darkest skeletons in their own closet. "Look at how virtuous I am, I can do no wrong" etc. Elites and celebrities also do it as a safety net, in order to protect their assets. In other words, deep down, behind closed doors, they often don't actually believe what they say publicly.

    Others virtue signal because they have no sense of self worth, while others have good intentions and are naive, simply wanting to be a part of something. Either way, it's nauseating to watch and has no place in business.
     
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  20. marijuanadomain

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    I rather eat the meat from Ox Ranch than those processed meat in the supermarkets. Those meat in the supermarket are injected with chemicals, chemicals and more chemicals and are fed with chemical food to add weight.
    Deer needs to be hunted 30% annually to reduce/control population, they bring diseases and unnecessary dangers on the road. Too many damn roadKills
    Yummy, I love bison and alligator meat!!!
     
  21. TheBaldOne

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    I am just waiting for GoDaddy to actually come up with a statement on this case that actually makes sense.

    I am a fairly patient kind of person, but it could be in this instance even my patience will be tested by the waiting, my bet is that GoDaddy is trying to find a way out of this by blaming someone else - even if that person does not exist.
     
  22. namesilo

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    Thanks for the tag.

    At NameSilo, we review these types of situations on a case by case basis. It's difficult to comment confidently without knowing all the surrounding details, but as a US based registrar, we would request the Indian Court to work with their US counterpart and bring this civil court case there. In these types of situations, we typically work with the relevant stakeholders to understand the situation and act accordingly.

    We aim to protect our customers where and when possible. However, we do also enforce legitimate court orders. Also, we would allow the registrant time to appeal their case and honor their rights to due process, as we do with UDRP cases.
     
  23. Compassion

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    Easy to do nowadays...

    GD could find a scapegoat here:

    https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/
     
  24. DirkS

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  25. Fadi H

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    Firstly, This isn't a time waste, This is important for any domain investor because it's about registrant rights and any of us could sit on Brent spot one day.

    Secondly, Opinions here does matter and can help correct things. This is the largest and most active domain forum, Feedback from here has an impact and can push businesses like GoDaddy to make the right decisions.
     

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