discuss Beating Dropcatch.com ? Possible ?

[Siddharth W]

Can we beat Dropcatch or Other big Backordering Service if we use 100's of DesktopCatcher or Similiar Software on 100's of 10+ Gb's VPS with 1000's Of API, On a Single Domain? What I think that Dropcatch.com definitely not waste that resource of Single Domain. So, What are chance to succeed acc. to you?

 

[bsdomains]

What a sh*t story, bro...

It is not a sh*t story bro it's TRUE bro

 

[golan]

It is not a sh*t story bro it's TRUE bro

Of course. I mean, that's shit.

 

[bsdomains]

Of course. I mean, that's sh*t.

ha ha ha, Do you know about domain dropzone?

 

[golan]

ha ha ha, Do you know about domain dropzone?

Mmmm no

 

[imadoer]

At the present time no one can beat dropcatch. I try to avoid the whole backorder system because of how monopolized it is

 

[Siddharth W]

Well, GD checks 6 times a second and dropcatch checks more often. I seriously doubt even if you have a 1 gigbit connection you will be able to check more than 2-3 times a second if your lucky. If, you can't even beat GD you certainly can't beat dropcatch. Perhaps, you should try to snipe less competitive domains and flip them. In, the case of good domains they aren't that easy to snipe fast enough to get, it would be impossible that you'd get an LLL .com or LLL .org even, and basically impossible that you would catch a low-quality 4L .com. You'd be lucky to catch a 4L .net chinese premium with the software, even that is highly unlikely!
Solution? Possibly, snapnames might be a good option at least they only put it for a PRIVATE auction if more than 1 person backorders, whereas GD and dropcatch do public auction for domains snipped if more than one backorder.

Only 6 times a sec? Suppose even one of my setup send 1 API req per 10 sec, Whole system can send about 100 API req per sec with 100 Setup

 

[Daniel Owens]

Only 6 times a sec? Suppose even one of my setup send 1 API req per 10 sec, Whole system can send about 100 API req per sec with 100 Setup

Best of Luck, start wasting those dollars on multiple vps/servers. Cheers.

 

[Siddharth W]

Even with all of this you are missing a key fundamental... registrars.

With the DropCatch network of registrars they can fire off tens of thousands of domain requests per second maybe more bro.

You can't build a cost effective system, using registry rate limited API requests, and expect to achieve the same result as they are.

Yeah, They Can fire of but the question is do they really fire? For a Single domain?
Cost effective, Maybe Not but Question is just beating by anyway.
Registry has limited API req but what if we've unlimited acc. (10k+) do their Limited API still matters?

 

[Siddharth W]

Best of Luck, start wasting those dollars on multiple vps/servers. Cheers.

Btw, Where how did you get to know that GD checks only 6 times a sec ?

 

[Daniel Owens]

I agree you would need to be your own domain name register to pull this off very easily.

 

[Daniel Owens]

Btw, Where how did you get to know that GD checks only 6 times a sec ?

A rep on the phone from GD, although they tried to sell it as a positive.

 

[Hani A.]

Mankind made can be competed by another mankind made.
Oneday, dropcatch will become a past.

 

[davidc1]

Do not forget that backordering services choose how they'll use their ressources for catching domains. If multiple people backorders the same domain and put money on domains in the past they will decide to put power on it.

 

[DomainChat.net]

Mankind made can be competed by another mankind made.
Oneday, dropcatch will become a past.

guess what we may made to beat dropcatch.com? acquired the registry company (verisign/icann)? :lol

today i am laughing because above statement, but in few years again maybe i am laughing because someone had made it & not me that made it in the past :lol

 

[FPForum]

@Dave it wasn't the initial cost of 1 registrar I was speaking of. It was the cost of setting up several hundred of them. I know for some registries they only allow 1 registrar per "company" as well. That means setting up a new company for each registrar, setting up the registrar, and then as mentioned the catching system. Overall, to really compete with DropCatch, it's going to be very, very, very expensive.

 

[Dave]

@Dave it wasn't the initial cost of 1 registrar I was speaking of. It was the cost of setting up several hundred of them. I know for some registries they only allow 1 registrar per "company" as well. That means setting up a new company for each registrar, setting up the registrar, and then as mentioned the catching system. Overall, to really compete with DropCatch, it's going to be very, very, very expensive.

Yes, I think you'd need at least $5 million to even consider competing at a bare minimum. Maybe closer to 10 million.

I honestly can't see where the return would come from with that kind of investment to be honest. I would look at investing in other things if I had that kind of money for sure.

 

[HotKey]

All those cores in Iceland crunching Bitcoin might need a job soon..So yes, it is possible. With a warehouse full of servers.

 

[anantj]

Yeah, They Can fire of but the question is do they really fire? For a Single domain?
Cost effective, Maybe Not but Question is just beating by anyway.
Registry has limited API req but what if we've unlimited acc. (10k+) do their Limited API still matters?

API limits also matter. With a single API key, you can only have on active API call in progress at most registrars. Which means, you'll also have to create 10K accounts with the registrar (ignoring the registrar's objections to this), manage 10K set of API credentials and rotate them efficiently across API calls. Try it and let us know how that fares, even with 10K VPS'

 

[golan]

I honestly can't see where the return would come from with that kind of investment to be honest.

I see it easily. Just look at their daily auctions. Remember that NameBio only reports sales over $1K. And how many auctions are there in $100 - $1K range closing daily? I could try to watch it the next few days, but i guess it's dozens daily. Heck they must have dozens if not hundreds delivered non auctioned backorders in $10-59 range. And their fixed cost for each such sale - is $7 to registry. So, take a median profit about $20 per domain - i smell easily $10K daily. Ok, even if only $5K. So $5M sounded by you, is very worth to invest.

And all this even without those crazy auctions ending with $2K or $15K. Few auctions like this a month - and you are okay.

 

[BrandableDomain]

I’m very grateful to Andrew and Jeff Reberry for opening up the DropCatch platform which I believe was originally used exclusively to build up the Huge Domains portfolio.

It’s refreshing to use after so many bad experiences using SnapNames, which I have now abandoned completely.

I have a good success rate at DropCatch because it is a fair and level playing field. It is open to anyone so I don’t understand why anyone would seriously want to “compete” with them. What, to operate your own private domain catching service and exclude everyone else?

Or if someone creates 1,000 new registrars and builds a new and competitive open drop catching service, then we would all have to start backordering in two venues instead of one to maintain our success rates. What would be the point or advantage of that?

The article referenced earlier by @fastcool provides a lot of info about the challenge of building a service.

“Domain drop-catching service DropCatch.com has added five hundred new registrar accreditations to its stable over the last few days.

“The additions give the company a total accreditation count of at least 1,252, according to DI data.”

(DomainIncite. DropCatch spends millions to buy FIVE HUNDRED more registrars. 2 December, 2016.)

DomainIncite also mentions the significant cost of creating 500 new LLC companies to match these 500 new registrars.

A DomainNameWire article about a year earlier said this:

“The company behind expired domain name catching service DropCatch.com has adding 300 more accredited registrars to its arsenal, and now has a whopping 752 registrars. This is according to ICANN’s public list of accredited registrars.”

(DomainNameWire. Wow: DropCatch adds 300 more registrars, now has 752. 9 October, 2015.)

https://domainnamewire (dot) com/2015/10/09/wow-dropcatch-adds-300-more-registrars-now-has-752/

So thanks to Turn Commerce and the Reberry brothers for providing such a fair and valuable resource.