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.com drop order

Located in Domain Expiration and Domain Drop Catching started by Brian Klug, May 17, 2019.

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  1. wayne wooldridge

    wayne wooldridge Top Member VIP

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    Knowing the specific time of each drop makes dropcatching more effective, especially if you're going after a batch of pending delete domains.

    It doesn't help for names that are heavily targeted by backorder services. However if you are only competing against others using registrar api calls you will achieve better efficiency by only sending api calls for 1 domain at a time.

    So for example, if you have a list of 10 domains you want to catch, you would normally just start cycling through each domain at once when the droptime begins. You are wasting precious resources and time by blindly trying each one.

    Now say you know the order of the drop and approximate time each will drop. You will only be targeting 1 domain at any given time until it is registered and then rest until the next domain drop time approaches, so on and so forth.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  2. Dom Catcher

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    @Brian Klug - Did you get a list before yesterdays drops? I recently tried to catch a valuable domain that has a previous high sale against it so thought it would be worth giving it a short whilst also baring in mind that dropcatch/snapnames/namebright are going to be hammering requests over in order to secure it.

    I have built a system that has been showing half decent results for realistic names (Some single keyword and single word .coms have been caught but just under 30% at the moment as get beat by the bigshots with direct access.. so still working on it)

    Can you share what your list said prior to yesterdays drop and compare that to the actual time's registered? Im happy to send you the domain im curious about via PM.

    Recently i had several systems in place and i wasn't even able to detect the drop for "a specific domain" which to me says one of two things:-

    Verisign block's all other requests for valuable domains apart from the ones requests from Dropcatch accounts

    OR: Dropcatch was sending thousands of requests per second from all of their accounts which in theory is legit because 1000 miliseconds / second and they have over 2000+ accounts therefore they can send at least 2 requests / every millisecond from each account and avoid any quota or limitations (They probably dont have limits anyway due to their investment into all their accounts )

    I wont say how or what domain but i know for certain that more than 200 requests per second was reaching verisign (between a narrowed down 4 minute window) to register a domain name a few days ago that again was not even detected to drop and was suddenly assigned to dropcatch - Seems fishy?.
     
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  3. davidc1

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    optimizing api catching is only suitable if your competitors are using api.

    If by the end you see that all domains are taken by snapnames or dropcatch you dont need to optimize anything...
     
  4. Jurgen Wolf

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    2000+ accounts???
    Who said this non-sense???

    Limit is set per accredited registrar...
    2000+ registrars under DropCatch or what???

    Those backorder services have no more than 100 registrars in the best scenario.
    Also they know the exact deletion time directly from Verisign.
     
  5. Jurgen Wolf

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    And tons of such registrars were deaccredited by ICANN recently.
     
  6. Dom Catcher

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    @Jurgen Wolf i beg to differ, they have far more? or maybe i'm wrong but ive been doing plenty of research into dropcatch, namebright, snapnames, networksolutions and web group.

    Regarding the exact deletion time, this is received how? Inside knowledge or via epp info commands or a simple whois history log?

    I don't have direct access to Verisign at the moment hence my question as im lacking the knowledge to what Verisign makes public via there interfaces.
     
  7. Jurgen Wolf

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    Pheenix had mid xx registrars...
    SnapNames/Namejet no more than 1xx cumulatively.
    And this was in the past, prior the mass termination of such registrars by ICANN.
     
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  8. Jurgen Wolf

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    Regarding Verisign...
    This information is not public... it is provided to a few major backorder services only.
     
  9. Dom Catcher

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    This is old news or no longer true? domainincite.com/21309-dropcatch-spends-millions-to-buy-five-hundred-more-registrars

    Also what about all the subtags dropcatch have like Dropcatch_1506 ... Dropcatch_1222 ... Dropcatch_xxxx
     
  10. Jurgen Wolf

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    It is really old... 2016...
    Most of them were terminated.
     
  11. Jurgen Wolf

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    When was they terminated? This thread: namepros.com/threads/beating-dropcatch-com-possible.1086384/ has posts from last year stating Dropcatch still have around 750 registrar accounts.

    Even if they had a hundred's, combined with the "non public info" you said is passed on from Verisign, that yields very little chance for any other player thus passes majority if the Monopoly to Dropcatch.

    How does icann sit back and allow it to happen? I am sure Verisign are favouring certain companies based on finances - lets be honest, Verisign don't have the best track record with icann.
     
  13. Jurgen Wolf

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    At the end of 2017 and in 2018...
     
  14. Jurgen Wolf

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    And finally, you may contact ICANN directly... or try to find on their website how many DropCatch* registrars are active (still accredited) as of today...
    But definitely not 2000+ what you said initially.
     
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    ~1.2K DropCatch* records there.
     
  17. davidc1

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    easy to know how many dropcatch have. Look to expireddomains.net caught section of yesterday's domzins and count how many different dropcatch.com registrars there are
     
  18. Dom Catcher

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    Just those that fall in the Dropcatch.com x - xxxx range for example (DropCatch.com 1000 LLC) total more than 1200
     
  19. Jurgen Wolf

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    Forget, you will never beat via API even Dynadot...
    Even with multiple APIs in parallel...
    If those .COMs are backordered there.
     
  20. Dom Catcher

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    Definitely a fact, i personally don't try and catch that way but regardless, there is always going to be (ms delays) between the requests and all dropcatch need is 1,000 accounts to be able to send a register request every millisecond of the narrowed down second in which makes it 99.99% unlikely that most other dropcatching services don't stand a chance what so ever unless you are sending the request at the exact right second and i still personally believe that Verisign favours dropcatch requests (possibly like a whitelisted API service)

    Anyway ill leave it at that, thanks for your input though its not my thread.
     
  21. Jurgen Wolf

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    If you build your own backorder system with accredited EPP channels - you have all chances to beat at least the weakest GoDaddy backorder...
    Will be harder to beat Dynadot - but theoretically possible...
     
  22. Jurgen Wolf

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    In almost all cases I never use API to catch .com/.org
     
  23. Dom Catcher

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    I tend to use EPP channels which i've partnered with whom have direct access because i figured being a partner with multiple sources increases the chance, Its best to team up with small businesses who already have direct access to Verisigns epp, Using the standard http/https api is ok for domains that are not going to be getting hammerd by dropcatch/snapnames but to stand any chance on decent names you really need a network of EPP connections will maximum of <= 50-100ms delays from request being sent from the Drop software server, through the epp channel, to versign and back to the drop server.

    Couple that with 5-10 partners an you stand a reasonable chance, The key? Getting partners on board who already have epp access to Verisign, I currently work with 6 (Not resellers) and in the past 2 weeks ive caught around 10 single keyword/single word names.
     
  24. Jurgen Wolf

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    Dynadot significantly improved their backorder system...
    In 2019 it is a problem to catch via API even .PRO if it is already backordered at Dyna.
     
  25. Dom Catcher

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    I use to find dynadot's api.dynadot.com was down most of the time?
     

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