Any Idea Where to Sell .VIP's?

[bowieboiii]

Who's buying them (if anyone)?

Might anyone have any theories as to whether or not they will be worth something in the near future (if they're not already)?

Any record of recent sales...?

Could this really be... another question? (Jk (...?) )

Thank you, to whomever may be listening!

Much love.

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

The question should be more about the when and not about the where because when the right time / offer has come (no worry, your domain/s will be found if they are wished) the place doesn't matter - remember, the internet is global

It should be a law to get one included package of patience with every registered domain.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

This is a just another nTLD with classical lifecycle: tons of regs >>> tons of drops >>> the end.
And the only one winners: Registry and Registrars.

 

[168]

I agree with Mustafa,

.VIP .COMIES need to stop with the "I KNOW ALL ATTITUDE" in a learning environment.
It took significant objection for "Kate" to FINALLY post a professional, helpful response.

"Most .vips were bought in China, so it's mainly a Chinese extension like .top or .xyz.
The OP should look to China for possible leads.
But I suspect that most Chinese buyers are speculators and not end users. It's not a good sign when speculators outnumber end users. It means the actual demand is lower than it seems."

Hats off to: China for attempting to create a securities market for domains.
to:China for securing a significant percentage of the coveted high value .coms the .COMIE "EXPERTS" are so willing to
dump.
to China for breathing life into the market with there interest in numbers.
Hats of to : Investors willing to provide the GLOBAL market with more choices. (Of course they will make the most at first not unlike
first round investors in a start-up)
to: Uniregistry, Donuts, Radix .Top, .Club, .XYZ, .Global, for seeing what others do not see.... the next generation.
Hats of to: Individual investors willing to participate in efforts to expand and adapt to a changing market. win or lose.

Of course a large number of new extensions will fail. A large number of businesses fail every day.
All investments are speculative and nothing is a sure bet. Even .COMS. IMHO the pricing pressure has started and will continue


I too am sick and tired of reading the sarcasm toward New TLD'S. Either your in the Domain business or your in the .COM business and if your in the .COM business please restrain the unprofessional attitude toward others that do not see it your way.

 

[dordomai]

Hats of to: Individual investors willing to participate in efforts to expand and adapt to a changing market. win or lose.

What is good about that? A market where domain renewal prices are controlled by the registry is a market where the species domainers will soon become extinct? And we should buy into it?

If you want to adapt you make sure that you don't finance your competition.

The domain game in the new Gs is a game that is played by the registries. This is not a market or an opportunity designed for you.

The only reason why domainers are still allowed to play it(to a certain extent as many or most of the good domains are already reserved or premium priced) is because end-user demand isn't simply there for many of the lower quality domains. That is why they need domainers to buy domains that are worth less than regfee.

If demand from end-users were ever to go up you would soon see the regfee domains to be premium priced too.

A recent example. .

XYZ used to be free for everyone with no premium pricing when they launched. As they would enjoy a certain degree of success and domainers started to register even lower quality domains, better .XYZ were suddenly premium priced. Now you pay $15k/year for any 2L for example and $xxxx for a better keyword.

Basically the free for everyone was a nice PR stunt. Once they had reached their goal they got greedy and priced domainers out of the game.

Now what would happen to regfee priced domains if .XYZ became even more popular?

They would again rise prices so that only domains that are worth less than regfee are available for domainers.

You can see how the game is played and will continue to be played.

Basically many of the new Gs depend on suckers financing their operations. If they survive thanks to domainers financing and become successful, will they thank domainers for the financial support and hand them over free domains or will they price them out of the market?

 

[Jon B]

My suggestion to domainers is to focus on the extensions that are already popular today. Do keep an eye on the other extensions, but treat them as mere speculation. I'm such a conservative person.

Once upon a time, .mobi broke Kate's heart. She'll never love a new extension again.

 

[Casey L]

What is good about that? A market where domain renewal prices are controlled by the registry is a market where the species domainers will soon become extinct? And we should buy into it?

If you want to adapt you make sure that you don't finance your competition.

The domain game in the new Gs is a game that is played by the registries. This is not a market or an opportunity designed for you.

The only reason why domainers are still allowed to play it(to a certain extent as many or most of the good domains are already reserved or premium priced) is because end-user demand isn't simply there for many of the lower quality domains. That is why they need domainers to buy domains that are worth less than regfee.

If demand from end-users were ever to go up you would soon see the regfee domains to be premium priced too.

A recent example. .

XYZ used to be free for everyone with no premium pricing when they launched. As they would enjoy a certain degree of success and domainers started to register even lower quality domains, better .XYZ were suddenly premium priced. Now you pay $15k/year for any 2L for example and $xxxx for a better keyword.

Basically the free for everyone was a nice PR stunt. Once they had reached their goal they got greedy and priced domainers out of the game.

Now what would happen to regfee priced domains if .XYZ became even more popular?

They would again rise prices so that only domains that are worth less than regfee are available for domainers.

You can see how the game is played and will continue to be played.

Basically many of the new Gs depend on suckers financing their operations. If they survive thanks to domainers financing and become successful, will they thank domainers for the financial support and hand them over free domains or will they price them out of the market?

It's like one of those workout supplement pyramid scheme companies; the registries on top always win selling their domains, yet speculators almost always lose money trying to sell the domains themselves.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

.top and .vip are managed by the same Chinese company.

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

.top and .vip are managed by the same Chinese company.

.top registry > Jiangsu Bangning Science & Technology, CHINA
.vip registry > Minds & Machines, IRELAND

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

When I go to http://whois.nic.top - I see .vip also there...

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

When I go to http://whois.nic.top - I see .vip also there...

Yes - and?
Thats just a whois service from .top but it doesn't mean that they are handling .vip

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

WHOIS-service for TLDs under their management...

 

[168]

What is good about that? A market where domain renewal prices are controlled by the registry is a market where the species domainers will soon become extinct? And we should buy into it?

If you want to adapt you make sure that you don't finance your competition.

The domain game in the new Gs is a game that is played by the registries. This is not a market or an opportunity designed for you.

The only reason why domainers are still allowed to play it(to a certain extent as many or most of the good domains are already reserved or premium priced) is because end-user demand isn't simply there for many of the lower quality domains. That is why they need domainers to buy domains that are worth less than regfee.

If demand from end-users were ever to go up you would soon see the regfee domains to be premium priced too.

A recent example. .

XYZ used to be free for everyone with no premium pricing when they launched. As they would enjoy a certain degree of success and domainers started to register even lower quality domains, better .XYZ were suddenly premium priced. Now you pay $15k/year for any 2L for example and $xxxx for a better keyword.

Basically the free for everyone was a nice PR stunt. Once they had reached their goal they got greedy and priced domainers out of the game.

Now what would happen to regfee priced domains if .XYZ became even more popular?

They would again rise prices so that only domains that are worth less than regfee are available for domainers.

You can see how the game is played and will continue to be played.

Basically many of the new Gs depend on suckers financing their operations. If they survive thanks to domainers financing and become successful, will they thank domainers for the financial support and hand them over free domains or will they price them out of the market?

Completely agree. ICANN IMHO is way out of line allowing premium reg. fees. It flies in the face of the intent of equal access to the net creating tiered access for the same services. Since the industry has little regulatory oversight, the only thing that will change this is a public protest by domainers or the market just won't buy into it. So for now, It's one big market test.
The good thing is, if you bought into @ a certain price, they can't just raise it to Whatever they want. That would kill consumer trust and be bad for everybody.
The new G game is financed by the regsistries as well just like first round investors in a start-up. We are never going to see the returns or risk they are taking. The market is in need of fresh relevant product to grow and expand and a lot of people are saying OK let's try it. Throw it out there and see what works and doesn't work. I have picked up a decent amount of what i believe are gems under their "radar of what's obvious" with the intent to hold for up to 10yrs @ set pricing. (this is an option for every buyer) The mantra make it on the buy and be willing to wait applies here.
Yes, domainers are being priced out of the high end game but that doesn't mean it's over just different. It is similar to expecting to participate in a penthouse sale if you selling condos in the suburbs.
Participation at all levels is necessary to bring the market to new levels of adoption and stability and yes this is a very risky time not for "conservitives or the faint hearted.

 

[dordomai]

The good thing is, if you bought into @ a certain price, they can't just raise it to Whatever they want. That would kill consumer trust and be bad for everybody.

They can. They have already done this in some cases.

It's just that they still do care about their reputation because they are not established yet.

Minds and Machines and .ooo started to change renewal prices in some cases, see Berkens Blog or the post by Wot here in the forum and came up some some lame excuses (registry error) to do that.

So basically they could do that but they do still need Domainers and the public so they need to be perceived as alternative and reliable choice at the same time.

But over the long term greed will always take over and win. They just would need to sell the price increases in a way that would not damage their reputation too much.

Domaining is an industry where registrars like Enom let their own shell companies squat on worthless domains that their customers let expire and ask them for a fortune to get their domain back.

Think the nGs will be different?

The leading extension .xyz secretly stuffed hundreds of thousands domains in customer accounts, and started to claim that they are the leading extension because they got the most registrations.

Participation at all levels is necessary to bring the market to new levels of adoption and stability and yes this is a very risky time not for "conservitives or the faint hearted.

The market doesn't need most of these extensions. Participation is not necessary.

You will be financing a poorly setup system that was ultimately designed to enrich a few select registries at the expense of everyone else and this includes domainers.

Yes, domainers are being priced out of the high end game but that doesn't mean it's over just different. It is similar to expecting to participate in a penthouse sale if you selling condos in the suburbs.

I won't be over but more consolidated and many domainers would be out of the game with the registry taking their place. Things would not change for the better for domainers.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

When I go to http://whois.nic.top - I see .vip also there...

But actually .VIP-lookups don't work there... just checked.

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

For example,
I offer my vipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvipvip.vip now (also, beside SEDO) at EBAY.

If you like to see how I offer it, you have to visit it:
http://www.ebay.at/itm/152158497904?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649
Currently only in german language but I hope that I will find some time to add an english translation.

 

[Fancy.domains]

If you have 3N and 3L chips, I would try to sell them to Chinese investors. These have a value already. Try www.4.cn and similar market places.

For English keywords, it's much harder. List them here, on Flippa, on Afternic, on Uniregistry and on SEDO and hope for the best.

Best of luck...

 

[Sergiy]

.VIP Gets Government Approval In China!

https://www.101domain.com/blog/domaining/chinas-stamp-of-approval

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