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Hello NamePros!
By popular demand, we have launched a dedicated feedback thread for Afternic, the GoDaddy-owned domain name marketplace.

We have created this thread as a way for you to tell us what works, what doesn't work, and what features you'd like to see at Afternic (please be constructive with your feedback). We're looking forward to hearing from the domain investment community to help us shape the future of Afternic.

We will also be sharing Afternic product updates in this thread.

Please note that this thread is not meant for support. Please email our support team at [email protected] for assistance.
 
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"regardless of which afternic nameserver you use, lander will follow what you select in your afternic settings" this appears to be false as you only get "request price", "get this domain" or "BIN+LTO" even if you choose something else under Custom lander
 
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It's called 'lame DNS delegation'. The Afternic ns1 and ns2 nameservers are only correctly configured for GoDaddy's own NameFind portfolio domains, but not for Afternic customer domains.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/afternic-official-thread.1295231/page-55#post-9193205

Does this occur for only some ns1/ns2afternic.com domains? Because some of mine are resolving fine. How do we know which resolve and which do not? Are we expected to click on hundreds of domains to check one by one?
 
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Do you guys ever have names "ON HOLD" for 7+ days? Trying to figure out if that's normal and if I should actually expect a sale or not from it.
 
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Do you guys ever have names "ON HOLD" for 7+ days? Trying to figure out if that's normal and if I should actually expect a sale or not from it.

Under the current Afternic system (where only limited scenarios enact an "On Hold" status) and on that timeline, I would be leaning towards an external MLS registrar sale and GD is waiting for payment.

There are alternate outcomes for sure, but that's the most likely IMO.
 
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What do you want to say with that?
Hi

what i was trying to say, is basically what namegroove said below
Does this occur for only some ns1/ns2afternic.com domains? Because some of mine are resolving fine. How do we know which resolve and which do not?
Hi

if your names get any traffic, then you can view parking stats to check consistency.

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Hello,

I have a question to which I would normally seek the answer by reading here, but unfortunately I cannot read much nowadays due to a sight affection, so I would be grateful if anyone could kindly help me with this: I received a price request on my AN dashboard from a designed broker. This is my first AN lead ever, and I am not sure whether it is compulsory to price my domain right now, because the timeline in AN Lead Center shows the broker is already engaged in conversation with the buyer. I sent the broker a note with some facts and considerations for valuation of my domain; is the system going to notify him about my message even when I have not set a price yet?
 
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Hello,

I have a question to which I would normally seek the answer by reading here, but unfortunately I cannot read much nowadays due to a sight affection, so I would be grateful if anyone could kindly help me with this: I received a price request on my AN dashboard from a designed broker. This is my first AN lead ever, and I am not sure whether it is compulsory to price my domain right now, because the timeline in AN Lead Center shows the broker is already engaged in conversation with the buyer. I sent the broker a note with some facts and considerations for valuation of my domain; is the system going to notify him about my message even when I have not set a price yet?

Nope, you pretty well have to message the broker with your Buy Price and then let him or her negotiate with the potential buyer. You have zero control at Afternic and that's really the limit of your input.
 
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Nope, you pretty well have to message the broker with your Buy Price and then let him or her negotiate with the potential buyer. You have zero control at Afternic and that's really the limit of your input.
I understand, thank you for your fast and kind reply, @DomainRecap !
 
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Hi @NameGroove, @biggie, fellow investors,

I wanted to shed some light on why this issue is more serious than it might seem at first glance.

It's true that many users are able to access Afternic's landing pages when using ns1 and ns2, but this is only a very basic check. The underlying issue is that these nameservers have a "lame" delegation, meaning they don't correctly respond with Afternic's authoritative nameservers for Afternic customer domains. This can lead to a number of problems, including:
  • Failed pre-delegation checks: There are registries who perform "pre-delegation" checks to ensure that new nameservers are configured correctly. When a domain owner tries to change their nameservers to ns1 or ns2, the registry rejects the change due to the incorrect delegation. This is a major inconvenience for Afternic customers, and it's already frequently reported on this forum, also recently in this thread. The workaround with using ns3/ns4 or ns5/ns6 helps.
  • DNS resolution issues: "Lame" delegation can cause intermittent connectivity issues. Even if you can access a website, other users might not. "Lame" delegations can cause inconsistent behavior across different networks and devices. This can lead to unpredictable website performance, slow loading times, and even connectivity issues for some users.
  • Security concerns: A misconfigured DNS setup can be a potential security risk, as it can make it easier for attackers to manipulate DNS traffic.
DNS is a fundamental part of the internet, and it's important that it works correctly. A "lame" delegation is a technical error that should be fixed. GoDaddy promotes itself as a reliable and trustworthy DNS provider. By not fixing this issue, they are damaging their reputation and making it difficult for customers to trust their services. Unfortunately I have to conclude that in many more cases GoDaddy/Afternic addresses technical issues insufficiently, very slowly, or not at all. This forum, including this specific thread, are full of experiences in that regard.

What actually surprises me the most is that through the Neustar Registry acquisition, GoDaddy has all the knowledge in-house to properly configure their own nameservers. GoDaddy's Premium / Bullet Proof DNS Hosting services are sold commercially, and GoDaddy claims to be an authority in this regard. Why can't the ns1/ns2 Afternic nameservers be properly configured? Remember that the ns1/ns2 nameservers are used for more than 3 million customer domain names, which creates (should create) a great responsibility.

Afternic customers should be able to choose any of the available 6 nameservers without worrying about whether it will work correctly or not. Especially because in Afternic documentation, the ns1/ns2 nameservers are considered the default nameservers for configuring your Afternic landers. Until the issues have been resolved, I keep recommending Afternic customers to use ns3/ns4 -or- ns5/ns6 for all their domains with Afternic landers.

https://dnsviz.net/

https://blog.apnic.net/2021/03/16/the-prevalence-persistence-perils-of-lame-nameservers/

https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~gakiwate/papers/unresolved_issues-imc20.pdf

DAN.COM would have fixed this issue the same day, because they just wanted everything to work correctly.

RIP DAN.COM.


To my friend @biggie I would like to say that he sets the bar very low. I remember a similar discussion, where it turned out that you still combine nameservers from various marketplaces at the same time for your domains, which nowadays really gives all kinds of problems with TLS, both in the browser, and on the TLS cert provisioning side. Of course you're free to keep using ns1/ns2 if it just "works for you", though.

As per GoDaddy Premier Hub:

GoDaddy Premier Hub issues for Afternic ns1-ns2 nameservers.png
 

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is the system going to notify him about my message even when I have not set a price yet?
Hi

as long as the "message" button is active, then you can ask or send any message you want.
it's a good way to tell if they have eyes on the replies.

i'll click on one that's in that "lead" area every now and then, just to post > "Hi any updates on this?"
and so far, they have been responsive.

at some point though,
if you're looking to sell the name, then you have to set or have a price.
at least have a minimum to keep tirekickers away.

imo...
 
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Hi @NameGroove, @biggie, fellow investors,

I wanted to shed some light on why this issue is more serious than it might seem at first glance.

It's true that many users are able to access Afternic's landing pages when using ns1 and ns2, but this is only a very basic check. The underlying issue is that these nameservers have a "lame" delegation, meaning they don't correctly respond with Afternic's authoritative nameservers for Afternic customer domains. This can lead to a number of problems, including:
  • Failed pre-delegation checks: There are registries who perform "pre-delegation" checks to ensure that new nameservers are configured correctly. When a domain owner tries to change their nameservers to ns1 or ns2, the registry rejects the change due to the incorrect delegation. This is a major inconvenience for Afternic customers, and it's already frequently reported on this forum, also recently in this thread. The workaround with using ns3/ns4 or ns5/ns6 helps.
  • DNS resolution issues: "Lame" delegation can cause intermittent connectivity issues. Even if you can access a website, other users might not. "Lame" delegations can cause inconsistent behavior across different networks and devices. This can lead to unpredictable website performance, slow loading times, and even connectivity issues for some users.
  • Security concerns: A misconfigured DNS setup can be a potential security risk, as it can make it easier for attackers to manipulate DNS traffic.
DNS is a fundamental part of the internet, and it's important that it works correctly. A "lame" delegation is a technical error that should be fixed. GoDaddy promotes itself as a reliable and trustworthy DNS provider. By not fixing this issue, they are damaging their reputation and making it difficult for customers to trust their services. Unfortunately I have to conclude that in many more cases GoDaddy/Afternic addresses technical issues insufficiently, very slowly, or not at all. This forum, including this specific thread, are full of experiences in that regard.

What actually surprises me the most is that through the Neustar Registry acquisition, GoDaddy has all the knowledge in-house to properly configure their own nameservers. GoDaddy's Premium / Bullet Proof DNS Hosting services are sold commercially, and GoDaddy claims to be an authority in this regard. Why can't the ns1/ns2 Afternic nameservers be properly configured? Remember that the ns1/ns2 nameservers are used for more than 3 million customer domain names, which creates (should create) a great responsibility.

Afternic customers should be able to choose any of the available 6 nameservers without worrying about whether it will work correctly or not. Especially because in Afternic documentation, the ns1/ns2 nameservers are considered the default nameservers for configuring your Afternic landers. Until the issues have been resolved, I keep recommending Afternic customers to use ns3/ns4 -or- ns5/ns6 for all their domains with Afternic landers.

https://dnsviz.net/

https://blog.apnic.net/2021/03/16/the-prevalence-persistence-perils-of-lame-nameservers/

https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~gakiwate/papers/unresolved_issues-imc20.pdf

DAN.COM would have fixed this issue the same day, because they just wanted everything to work correctly.

RIP DAN.COM.


To my friend @biggie I would like to say that he sets the bar very low. I remember a similar discussion, where it turned out that you still combine nameservers from various marketplaces at the same time for your domains, which nowadays really gives all kinds of problems with TLS, both in the browser, and on the TLS cert provisioning side. Of course you're free to keep using ns1/ns2 if it just "works for you", though.

As per GoDaddy Premier Hub:

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Thanks for the thorough explanation. Changing away from 1&2 solved my issue.
 
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Hi

that's good, hope we still cool

i didn't want to have to go tell my homies that we broke up b-cuz of the way i combine nameservers for my domains.
:)

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Hi

as long as the "message" button is active, then you can ask or send any message you want.
it's a good way to tell if they have eyes on the replies.

i'll click on one that's in that "lead" area every now and then, just to post > "Hi any updates on this?"
and so far, they have been responsive.

at some point though,
if you're looking to sell the name, then you have to set or have a price.
at least have a minimum to keep tirekickers away.

imo...
Hi @biggie , thanks a lot for this useful info and suggestions! The fact that keeps me from rushing to price the domain is that it is quite a valuable name and I do not want to leave money on the table, I am targeting retail. Yet, I am not sure what price to set as "target" on AN that would at the same time leave room for negotiation. Let's say after thorough investigation I reach to a reasonable retail price of USD 100 (this is a fiction, just an example). Considering how an AN broker would proceed, how much should I set as "target" and how much as "floor" having into account my USD 100 appraisal? Thank you in advance!
 
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@GoDaddy @Afternic

The saga continues. The ball is in your hands now. My recent doomed sale. Will the buyer cancel it because of your malfunctioning system?
Update: domain finally transferred on January 22, 6 days after the sale. Woohoo!
Payout has yet to be scheduled (between 1-3 business days, it says, and this is the 3rd day already; haven't even received the transfer email). Let's see.

Another update: it's done. Thank you.
 
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It’s ironic that a GoDaddy source is cited in the whitepaper on lame DNS delegation. Within GoDaddy, there are individuals who fully understand the impact and know how to resolve it. Hence the correct warning on GoDaddy Premier Hub about the issues with ns1.afternic.com and ns2.afternic.com. However, the departments are not collaborating effectively to address the issues at Afternic.

Since GoDaddy's own NameFind domains are not affected, but 'only' Afternic Seller domains, it may not be a priority for them.

Finally, as yet another perspective indicating that lame delegations are a notable operational issue, GoDaddy estimates that roughly 12% of requests to their nameservers are for domains for which they are not authoritative [24].

[24] GoDaddy Representative. 2020. Personal Communication.


Source: https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~gakiwate/papers/unresolved_issues-imc20.pdf
 
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I do not want to leave money on the table,
Hi

that thought can sometimes leave you without a sale too.
then you be looking back at that name years from now.....thinking maybe you should have taken that offer.

i call it the bighead syndrome.
:)

imo...


how much should I set as "target" and how much as "floor"
Hi

whatever amount you set, make sure to take that 25% commission into account when figuring a net return.

imo...
 
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Hi @biggie , thanks a lot for this useful info and suggestions! The fact that keeps me from rushing to price the domain is that it is quite a valuable name and I do not want to leave money on the table, I am targeting retail. Yet, I am not sure what price to set as "target" on AN that would at the same time leave room for negotiation. Let's say after thorough investigation I reach to a reasonable retail price of USD 100 (this is a fiction, just an example). Considering how an AN broker would proceed, how much should I set as "target" and how much as "floor" having into account my USD 100 appraisal? Thank you in advance!
You won't leave money on the table if you don't think about it. There's no such thing as 'money on the table'. Circumstances, name, particular buyer...
 
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