opinion A few companies that believe in the future of new gTLD's...

[000]

We hear a lot around the forums from people who see no future in the new gTLD program. They'll never catch on! is the battle cry, as if people are either incapable or unwilling to use or remember anything besides the almighty .com.

But what do the big wigs have to say?

Well, here are just a sampling of the international powerhouses that are each getting their own gTLD/s -- if that answers the question !!

Disney (.abc)
NFL (.nfl)
NBA (.nba)
MLB (.mlb)
Marriott (.marriott)
Hyatt (.hyatt)
Intel (.intel)
Visa (.visa)
FedEx (.fedex)
Netflix (.netflix)
Nike (.nike)
Lego (.lego)
Mattel (.mattel)
Best Buy (.bestbuy)
Jaguar Land Rover (.jaguar .landrover)
Fiat Chrysler (.chrysler .ferrari .fiat .jeep)
Discover (.discover)
Toyota (.toyota .lexus)
Honda (.honda)
Kia (.kia)
Citigroup (.citi)
Hitachi (.hitachi)
Xerox (.xerox)
Staples (.staples)
Gallup (.gallup)
GoDaddy (.godaddy)
Honeywell (.honeywell)
American Family Insurance (.amfam)
State Farm (.statefarm)
Progressive (.progressive)
Esurance (.esurance)
SC Johnson (.scjohnson)
Symantec (.norton .symantec)
Tiffany & Co. (.tiffany)
JCPenney (.jcp)
T.J. Maxx (.tjmaxx .tjx)
Macys (.macys)
L'Oréal (.makeup .beauty)
Microsoft (.microsoft .office .skype .windows .xbox)
etc

Do those names mean anything to you?

It would seem that many here think that these companies will never even use or advertise their fancy new URL's... that the "general public" still won't be aware of alternative URL's (gasp!!) even 5 years from now.

Say whaaa?!

How could they NOT? In the next few years, we will all be bombarded with new gTLD's from all directions, including many of the ones listed above.

If .com is still The Future, and the future of the new gTLD program is so uncertain (or doomed from the start, as many would argue), why is it that so many of the largest companies in the world are jumping aboard, rather than waiting it out from the sidelines? It's a very expensive endeavor, and it's not like anyone else is going to scoop up .NFL or .NETFLIX. Clearly, they aren't buying the whole .com is all that matters! hogwash.

Of course, many .com die-hards have spent a decade (or two!) investing solely in .com, so it is not surprising that they are slow to realize/accept what's happening. But the truth is, the tipping point will soon be upon us.

No longer will the NFL much care about Dolphins.com. They'll use Dolphins.NFL anyway.
Making a movie? There is no need to have the .com. Simply get the MovieTitle.movie.
Do you specialize in auto repair? Find a cool .repair and call it a day!
You get the idea!

It's way past time to admit that .com's are already losing value en masse. If you're still a .com die-hard, it's not too late, but the optimal time to re-evaluate your strategy has long since passed. You'll need to adapt sooner than later, or you will almost certainly go down with the ship.


Don't go down with the ship !





See more delegated strings here:
https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings

 

[Canadian]

Exactly, but the biggest haters are not domainers but end users.

I thought end users didn't know about new gTLDs ?

 

[JB Lions]

Every notable change in technology has its skeptics.

There were (and still are) skeptics about automobiles.... planes...... microwaves...... smart phones.... computers..... heck, even the Internet itself.

Not this nonsense again. It's just new extensions, not some change in technology. And there are still skeptics on automobiles, computers etc? What are you even talking about.

 

[Raymond C]

Who said gTLD is dead?

Sex.Live sold $160000
Porn.Live sold $120000 lately

 

[mad409]

Who said gTLD is dead?

Sex.Live sold $160000
Porn.Live sold $120000 lately

It's not dead by any means, just starting to get interesting...

"He recently purchased three .GAMES domains for an undisclosed six-figure sum: Free.GAMES, Shooting.GAMES, and Racing.GAMES."

http://rightside.news/big-brands-already-interested-games

 

[Bram C.]

Who said gTLD is dead?

Sex.Live sold $160000
Porn.Live sold $120000 lately

The sale price is high but those are registry sales. No domain investors are making 6 figure gTLD sales.

 

[000]

It's just a myth that all good new gtld's are 1-3-5k per year. SOME of the KILLER ones are.... but many have standard or very reasonable renewal rates that would fit the budget of many small businesses. Maybe not domainers.... but why would the registries want their BEST domains sitting in the hands of domainers who may likely hold them for years on end asking crazy high prices? Holding back the premiums is not necessarily bad for a gTLD. Of course some go overboard... but let's remember this is all VERY early in the new gTLD rollout. The value will be far higher in 5 years than today.

The idea that domainers should be looked out for or given access to these premiums at peanut pricing is ridiculous. These registries HAVE TO run on a different business model than used with .com, and domainers have to work with what's available. That's just the nature of the game. Some people here will sit out entirely and cry about what a ripoff the ngtld's are......... others will invest CAUTIOUSLY yet CONFIDENTLY while opportunity abounds. For me it's an easy decision.

 

[168]

Honestly - for a lot of them, it's more about internal politics and empire buildling (or empire defending) than anything else. Or creating jobs that are secure for a few years. Most big corporates (and certainly the ones detailed here) have brand protection agencies safeguarding their IP. So the brand protection agency will have called the internal counsel saying "look, there's this thing, you need to plan for it, it's a few years away yet, but we're not sure how it will go - ring fence $250k and we can protect against it no matter how it goes." Generally speaking, a brand protection agency working for a major international corporation like this could be on a retainer of $10k+ per month - and will almost certainly have discretionary spending power of that much again.

So the agency calls up and speaks to internal counsel, who then talks to the IT guys and they go "yeah, we've heard of this, we should probably do it just in case..." The real motivation here, of course, is that the IT team can then unlock some budget/headcount for the implementation.

I'm not trying to be rude here, but I honestly wonder how many people posting/responding here have ever had experience at executive level in big corporations. A $185k spend to hedge against a potential intellectual property/brand/security issue is NOTHING. Like nothing. It's tiny. I've worked with companies where individual employees (not executive level - project director level) spend that much a year in travel.

Disney reported $52.5 billion in revenue for 2015. $185k is 0.00035% of that. It's a note in a line on an excel sheet attached to an email that nobody read. The NFL did $12 billion. Marriott $14.5 billion.

These are all multi-billion dollar companies. For companies like this protecting their brand is paramount, and the costs of NOT protecting it, and something going wrong, FAR exceed the $185k they needed to pay to secure this risk. ICANN knew EXACTLY what it was doing when it rolled out this "initiative".

As a footnote to this - these same brands also spent a FORTUNE acquiring multiple domains at sunrise in relevant new gTLDs as they launched. Most of these domains will never be used. Apple has around 14,000 active domain registrations. Disney has nearly 17,000. Nearly 400 gTLDs have launched so far. Many of them had really quite high sunrise pricing - $100+ during sunrise. Assuming that major brands acquired multiple domains in new gTLDs as they launched (which they did - I know this for fact as I was monitoring the zone files as gTLDs launched) then at a conservative estimate, at the conclusion of the gTLD launch (ie when all new gTLDs currently under discussion have launched) then I can easily image that some major brands will have spent $150k+ registering their trademarks in gTLDs that they perceive as being a threat to their business.

Why? Because it's cheaper to register than to recover later: remember - you have to enforce trademarks (including cracking down on infringing domain names) or you risk losing them.

So - suddenly, the $185k is just another line on the legal department's budget.



Brand gTLDs and publicly available gTLDs are two very different creatures. I would not even call these .brand domains gTLDs - they are not generic, they are VERY specific.



See my opening response in this post. They weren't queueing up - it was hedging against a potential risk, and it was almost certainly a decision just rubber stamped by a series of disinterested lawyers/executives.



This is one of the best points that I've seen shooting down the hype over new gTLDs. .info was a disaster, as was .biz - .org is GREAT and has a very clear purpose - but as an asset class .org falls WAY behind .com



New gTLDs don't bring value - they bring confusion and uncertainty. And when people are scared and confused, they turn to things that they regard as familiar. That's human nature. So - the confusion of choice devalues the new and strengthens that familiar. That's basic human psychology.



.bmw and .landrover are already recognised and familiar brands. drive.bmw makes semantic sense. experience.landrover does too. They're not only familiar but authoritative: when you visit drive.bmw you know there is NO CHANCE that you're going to be phished, hijacked, or infected with malware. Security online is a huge and growing issue - and I think in coming years .brand TLDs will come into their own. If I'm interested in BMW cars, going to ownersforum.bmw is much safer than going to bimmerownersclub.com/forum - and maybe I can trust the people posting there a bit more, and can feel secure that they are moderated and I'm not going to be trolled and abused - another hot topic online these days.

They also give the brands room for creativity, unconstrained by the limitations of what domains are available. They don't have to worry about whether they've registered the right domains when they launch a new product - because they already own them. HTC's Vive product is a great example - they had htcvive.com but just spent money to acquire vive.com

I still think vive.com is better than vive.htc - but you see my point.



Absolutely - I do not deny that .brand TLDs will help familiarise people with these new extensions. But - as I said - when faced with the paralysis of choice, people turn to the familiar. Which means, in the short to medium term, .com still wins. These .brand TLDs will help introduce people to the idea that there are other extensions out there - but I honestly think that what we will see happen is that there will be a divide - .brand TLDs will be seen as secure, reliable and authoritative, alongside .com and (for example) .co.uk - and other ccTLDs. The other new gTLDs will be seen as flighty, unreliable and untrustworthy - the domain of spammers, chancers and fly-by-nights. When there are substantial numbers of GOOD sites living at new gTLDs and they've been there day in day out for 5 years plus then maybe people will trust new gTLDs. But who is going to build those sites? Would you build a business on a new gTLD? I wouldn't. I'd use them as keyword funnels, or domains for specific landing pages, but by their very nature, gTLDs don't lend themselves to branding - because they have an implicit association. Part of the power of .com is that it's neutral - it doesn't contextualise or otherwise comment on what is to the left of the dot. Sure, there are some others that also have this neutrality, but many have a "specific purpose" - and indeed that's the spiel of many. Think of .club, the poster child of the new gTLD revolution. If I'm an accountant, will I be looking a this? Almost certainly not. If I'm a gymnastic club, does .com still make sense? Definitely, yes.



Absolutely correct about not worrying about being scammed - but they WILL probably still have to play whack-a-mole with all sorts of domains unfortunately. Certainly where anyone is actively infringing their brand.

However, as I said earlier, I think the authority of .brand TLDs is going to be very high, and that in itself will actually make the authority of all other gTLDs weaker.



It's a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of money for the types of companies we're talking about. As I said earlier - I know people working for companies like these where $185k is their personal travel budget for the year.

Look at it this way - in London's financial district, premium office space goes for about £75 per square foot. I did some work last year with a well known consumer brand who have an enormous office in a prestigious sky scraper. They had 12 conference rooms - each one must have been about 300 - 400 square feet. Each time I went in for a meeting we would be put in one of the conference rooms - and I only ever saw 3 others being used at the same time. So a lot of the time they had 8 to 10 rooms - 3000 square feet of office space - sitting unused. This was apparently very common. "Why do you have so many conference rooms?" I asked. "Well, there are a few days each year when we need ALL of them - when we are launching new campaigns, or preparing the global end of year figures, or if we have a law suit or something. It's cheaper than renting external meeting rooms, and more secure." Cost of that unused space? £250,000 per year.



They will 100% lead to greater awareness. Acceptance though, I'm not so sure. See my point above. I think this is more of a double edged sword than you appreciate. I think it's safe to safe that you have a rudimentary understanding of psychology but perhaps haven't thought this one through to its ultimate conclusion.

I think they will recognise alternate URLs - that resistance will definitely erode. Whether they will trust them and use them is anyone's guess. But MY guess is that .brand TLDs and existing incumbents (.com .co.uk .fr etc) will still hold a trust far above new gTLDs.



See, this is interesting - and pretty much reinforces the point I'm making. No-one here in the UK cares about .uk - and, in fact, most of the time they think that it's a mistake. If people see somedomain.uk they pretty much think that the .co bit has been missed out - so if they are manually typing it they will add it in, and potentially get the wrong website. This is why the .uk names HAD to be offered to existing registrants first. Furthermore (anecdotally) I know that if people google something and see somedomain.co.uk and somedomain.uk they would be more likely to click somedomain.co.uk - because it looks more trustworthy.



I think this is true - but they are generally keyword domains - london.accountant or gymnastics.club

Whether they are "investment class" domains is very different. My opinion is that they are not.



"Citation needed".

Just like .club announcing some extraordinary sounding prices early on, I am very skeptical indeed about this announcement. I think it's more likely that the names were given to the new operator for a "consideration" of $120,000 - or, in other words, no cash changed hands. But the value of the PR that they gain from this is great. And, as people have said for years, the internet is shaped by the porn industry.

You make some very good points ! However, what the .comies don't see is 1. The emerging markets for use of domains where .com is irrelevant, less relevant, higher cost
2. The new generation of users that LOL at "trust" and "Authority" (.brands excepted) instead want "relevance". The C-Suite is changing and not as beholden to the ".comm club"
3. The early and respectable adoption of alternatives by Techies ie: the io extension, World Hosting Days- WHD.Global, PayPal.Me,
Google ETC ETC Who's building theses sites ?

My Tag Line is : Don't get stuck in the .com era. Get New "G's" Copyrights 2016
Who still uses a Motorola analog brick phone?

There is no comparison in (.biz, .net, .mobi, .info,) and especially .org to the current more relevant hundreds of options available today in a market that is 3x the size and growing.
It's not likely .org was ever considered as a competitor to a for profit extension.

How is it possible end users fear, distrust, or "don't believe in" as others have suggested when "most" end users don't even know about them, or some that do are choosing to use them? Surely the examples given are "trusted" sites No?
The more familiar "end users" become with any site, this fear mongering will not prevail and registries that don't want to be labeled as "spam" will either step up or loose.
I think it's safe to say that you have a rudimentary understanding of business psychology but perhaps haven't thought this one through to its ultimate conclusion. .com may be a diamond but that doesn't devalue emeralds, rubies, and other precious stones.
They are ALL precious stones each with "investment grade" "rare" opportunities and "end user" preference.
Happy Hunting!

 

[dordomai]

.com is not using an "older" technology compared to the new gTLDs. Both are using the exact same technology.

it's not a different technology, it is more companies entering the marketplace.

You make some very good points ! However, what the .comies don't see is 1. The emerging markets for use of domains where .com is irrelevant, less relevant, higher cost

1.the emerging markets are either ccTLD or .com. The ccTLD is very strong and a nGTLD has even less chance in an emerging market. because of this. They have to compete against .com .net and ccTLD. Even worse than in the US.

As for Chinese investing in nGTLDs. They don't use more nGTLDs than anyone else, probably even less they just like to place bets there.

2. The cost is actually higher for most nGTLDs and this will not change. Don't let the temporary/discount freebie promotions distract you. Verisgn can't rise their prices much that is why they are low. The nGTLDs can.

2. The new generation of users that LOL at "trust" and "Authority" (.brands excepted) instead want "relevance". The C-Suite is changing and not as beholden to the ".comm club"

This generation doesn't exist.

The reality is that most internet users(young/old) don't care about domains. They don't want to deal with technology. They don't care about "relevance" whatever that means in that context.

nGTLDs are not more relevant. Vacation.rentals is as much relevant as VacationRentals.com

They use what they know and they are happy if things are simple.
Many of them only know .com and .net/.org Anything else is just, what is this?

3. The early and respectable adoption of alternatives by Techies ie: the io extension, World Hosting Days- WHD.Global, PayPal.Me,

.info was used 10 years ago by many big brands already. Yes techies do know something about domains and they do know, understand and accept new extensions.

Problem: Most internet users aren't techies and never will be.

At the moment even the nerds aren't very interested in nGTLDs.

 

[Kate]

Indeed new gTLDs are getting popular among the companies and have very strong future. Many new startups are launching using gTLDs.

I am sure that many legitimate companies are using new extensions, just like many are using .biz or .co. But how many are household names ? For me: none.
This is precisely why new extensions have always failed: they are not embraced by major corporations. So they suffer from a lack of credibility.
What worries me is not domainers badmouthing new extensions - this is just background noise, it is the end users who are shunning them - but it's not like we didn't TELL YOU SO.
It's not the fault of domainers if they are failing to get traction. Without domainers, the new extensions would be almost unnoticed. In fact domainers are early adopters. But there is more interest from speculators than real end users, this is what is wrong and why the gTLD program is a big joke.

Those, who still think gTLDs are useless, are either ignorant or own very large portfolio of random brandable .coms (which are useless now IMHO).

I don't think I am ignorant, because I read a lot and I watch the action. Why learn from my own mistakes when I can learn from other people's at no cost ?
I am not just a domainer, I am a business end user too. I would personally not use new extensions for a real life business. And I am sure that many peddlers of new extensions wouldn't either. Those who do, get my respect. The others, who don't believe in their own merchandise, maybe should think hard about their motivations.

Do they need support from other old-fashioned domainers who are scared to diversify their portfolio ?

Everybody agrees that diversification is good, even though you can do well in .com alone. But you can still diversify niches.

What I don't believe in, is the idea of diversifying in crap. If your portfolio is 100% new extensions but you own 40 different strings, you have diversification. But it's not healthy. Personally I prefer .com and mature ccTLDs, new extensions are strictly speculation or lottery for me.
It's not like no good deals can be found in .com anymore and you have to take huge chances in oddball extensions. Not at all.

 

[168]

Dordomai,

Completely agree,
".cn and .com. There isn't any other investment grade extension available."
Keyword: investment grade -
Also out of reach for 90% of the investment community for values 50k+

Are you suggesting there is no more to be made by the average investor, now that there are more options?
values so diluted the only market left over would be investment grade?

the monopoly is over. Yes? Lots of monopolies have been split apart over the years, doors swung wide open for others to enter
and the strong not only survived but thrived.

This is where we part ways,
There are several examples across many industries where these thoughts don't hold up.
Domains are not unique with it's own set of absolutes.
.Com will hold it's own. The only way it could get diluted is if it was dropped en masse by current investors, which isn't likely.
Quote,
"What they don't understand is that if .com gets diluted all others will too"
Premium price sales will be where scarcity is. nGTLDs are the opposite of scarcity
"There will be little opportunity for profit left in a market where the extension doesn't matter anymore."
The only thing that keeps market values up is scarcity and the fact that most end-users want only the .com".
"If that ever where to change, the opportunity to sell premium domains would be much less across all extensions.
No investor would benefit from that".
Fear mongering, Some investors will benefit. Ones that make profitable choices now and can afford to wait 5-10 years if necessary. It just won't be a beginners or flippers party.
Example: 4number.coms, 2005-2012 ave. price 1k 2013- 22k, 2015- 335k A rally few saw coming. One would have to have held a domain nobody wanted for 5-10 years to yield "investment grade" value. I get it, .Com played a big role. The point is nobody wanted them. jumping in late cost more. 20k more. I will risk 1k over 10yrs to save 2- 20k and maybe in that time frame China will welcome more extensions. It's a reasonable assumption at this time they will. I have heard from many sources the government wants to participate,- on their terms which is fine. It's a big market. It may take some time to establish protocol that's manageable and profitable to their economy.
The potential investment grade options available at reasonable pricing in the New"G's" are already in the hands of investors large and small. We just don't have all of them like the first round and like .Com, (100/70/35/8) lowered renewal fees, there will be lots of pressure to keep renewal fees reasonable albeit higher on average even for .Com Incentives for longer renewals could resurface again too. About the time of 35 a yr renewal costs for .Com there was a glitch in Network Solutions System that allowed about 1.29 for renewals, unlimited. PayDay! They eventually fixed it. Good thing back then IT was slow.


I greatly appreciate the debate you put forth for all to ponder as we enter into the WARNING: Under Construction Zone.
Happy Hunting for the next winners,
Cheers!

Here is a short list of current New "G" sales as anyone can see most of the sales are not Registry sales
There are a fair amount developed active sites on this list, some re-directs and landings
Will sales continue ? Who knows. Caution ? Yes, this is a re-model. WARNING: Industry Under Construction
Great out of the gate start with some healthy margins even at higher reg fees.
Like I said before it took .Com 15 years to get to the same number of regs. and I highly doubt
most were developed at the 15 yr mark. More likely most were in the hands of investors and some still are to this day.

Data was obtained from a combination of sources Primarily- Namebio, Sold.Domains, DNJournal

88.xin 180000 USD 2015-11-19 Registry Sale
9.xyz 175166 USD 2015-12-21 west.cn
tube.webcam 175000 USD 2014-06-09 Hunting Moon/Sedo
Sex.LIVE 160000 USD 2016-07-13 Rightside
Wine.Club 140000 USD 2015-01-13 NamesCon 2015/RightOfTheDot
6.xyz 125000 USD 2015-11-22 FindYourDomain
Porn.LIVE 120000 USD 2016-07-14 Rightside
3d.software 100001 USD 2015-05-08 Rightside
dui.attorney 100001 USD 2015-06-01 Private
Coffee.Club 100000 USD 2014-11-01 TRAFFIC MIAMI 2014
Vegas.Club 100000 USD 2015-01-13 Right Of The Dot
Autism.Rocks 100000 USD 2015-06-18 Sedo
net.work 100000 USD 2015-06-16 Mind + Machines
6.top 93600 USD 2015-12-09 Jiangsu Bangning
M.top 93600 USD 2015-12-09 Jiangsu Bangning
Transfer.Money 90000 USD 2015-06-17 Private
8.xyz 81741 USD 2015-09-10 4.cn
8.top 79000 USD 2015-10-18
sex.live 160,000 USD 2016-08-07 Rightside
porn.live 120,000 USD 2016-08-07 Rightside
soren.xyz 1,250 USD 2016-08-07 Pvt Sale
aupair.world 5,573 USD 2016-08-04 Sedo
pneus.online 2,229 USD 2016-08-04 Sedo
dma.tech 1,688 USD 2016-07-31 Brand.direct
cul.tech 1,688 USD 2016-07-31 Brand.direct
like.bike 1,600 USD 2016-07-31 Fancy.domains
cwt.top 2,692 USD 2016-07-29 NameCheap
dingji.top 1,982 USD 2016-07-29 West.cn
taoke.top 1,153 USD 2016-07-29 HiChina
e.guide 1,334 USD 2016-07-28 Flippa
bam.tech 15,000 USD 2016-07-25 Sedo
ttf.top 2,030 USD 2016-07-21 HiChina
anquan.top 1,566 USD 2016-07-21 West.cn
shareit.online 335 USD 2016-07-21 Sedo
xiaohua.top 1,490 USD 2016-07-20 HiChina
yunlv.top 1,292 USD 2016-07-19 HiChina
sydney.florist 2,420 USD 2016-07-18 Sedo
greenstone.group 6,000 USD 2016-07-17 Sedo
hemp.top 1,645 USD 2016-07-14 35.com
qvc.top 1,205 USD 2016-07-14 MarkMonitor
linen.top 1,193 USD 2016-07-14 35.com
youmai.top 1,115 USD 2016-07-14 HiChina
us.ski 1,120 USD 2016-07-12 Sedo
store.soccer 1,320 USD 2016-07-11 Sedo
traverse.cloud 1,230 USD 2016-05-22 Pvt Sale
602.cloud 1,750 USD 2016-05-15 Pvt Sale
send.cloud 3,388 USD 2016-04-15 Sedo
meo.cloud 1,000 USD 2016-04-13 Flippa
f.club 15,455 USD 2016-07-10 Chengdu West
97.club 5,758 USD 2016-07-10 Chengdu West
boss.club 5,000 USD 2016-07-10 EJEE
silicon.capital 5,000 USD 2016-07-10 Rupii.com
mm.club 4,015 USD 2016-07-10 Chendu West
entrepreneurs.club3,000 USD 2016-07-10 GoDaddy
brain.club 3,000 USD 2016-07-10 GoDaddy
friendship.club 2,000 USD 2016-07-10 Key-Systems
housewives.club 2,000 USD 2016-07-10 GoDaddy
westpalmbeach.club 2,000 USD 2016-07-10 GoDaddy
kiwi.club 1,990 USD 2016-07-10 United-Domains AG
brands.club 1,691 USD 2016-07-10 eNom
home.clinic 2,478 USD 2016-01-15 Sedo
zuiai.top 1,186 USD 2016-07-08 HiChina
duba.top 1,180 USD 2016-07-08 eName
tackle.direct 2,500 USD 2016-07-06 Sedo
netbook.center 4,455 USD 2016-07-04 Sedo
earth.science 2,500 USD 2016-07-04 Sedo
pro.media 4,200 USD 2016-07-03 WebQuest
black.life 1,000 USD 2016-07-03 Uniregistry
gbs.top 1,980 USD 2016-07-02 HiChina
zhy.top 3,118 USD 2016-07-01 HiChina
zhubo.top 1,286 USD 2016-07-01 HiChina
zlj.top 2,346 USD 2016-06-29 Free.top
d.gold 1,100 USD 2016-06-28 Sedo
cps.top 1,919 USD 2016-06-27 HiChina
jqr.top 2,228 USD 2016-06-26 HiChina
slow.life 1,100 USD 2016-06-26 Uniregistry
sorli.club 3,965 USD 2016-06-21 Sedo
youer.top 1,447 USD 2016-06-18 HiChina
liquid.gold 1,350 USD 2016-01-09 DomainNameSales

555.club $5,755
111.club $5,320
666.club $3,600
688.club $3,220
118.club $2,260
288.club $2,060
818.club $2,010
333.club $1,801
html.code 1,300 EUR
portal.futbol 1,500 Sedo
ggg.xyz 5,150 NameJet
888.link 2,813 Sedo
tq.biz 1,938 Sedo
robots.life 2,500 Sedo
links.biz 1,395 Sedo
soren.xyz 1,250 Pvt Sale
tackle.direct 2,500 Sedo
production.club 1,325 Sedo
questionmark.asia 1,325 Sedo
46.biz 2,120 Sedo
launch.agency 1,000 Sedo
Travel.Agency 9,999 Flippa
catholic.global 1,397 USD Private
cumulus.global 1,000 USD Sedo
enelint.global 2,750 USD Sedo
drugstore.global 3,500 USD Uniregistry
a2z.xyz 2,000 USD 2016-05-08 Uniregistry
pro.media 4,200 USD 2016-07-03 WebQuest
welcome.media 4,000 USD 2016-03-10 TLDPros.com
apps.mobi 20,000 USD 2014-12-17 Addora
create.media 5,564 USD 2015-06-02 Sedo
ola.mobi 15,000 USD 2014-12-03 Sedo
coichutthoi.mobi 3,001 USD 2014-10-02 GoDaddy
emag.mobi 2,000 USD 2015-10-05 Sedo
erkiss.mobi 1,726 USD 2015-07-17 GoDaddy
wlan.mobi 2,268 USD 2015-05-07 Sedo
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[168]

We migrated not just for security
Using .bank, marketing .bank really allows us to present ourselves to our clients
It says we’re special; we’ve got something different, It created a marketing opportunity

This is what end-users have said again and again! Nice to see Bloomberg covering it. thanks.

 

[168]

These Major well known Corps What are they thinking?

Samsung using Artik.cloud,

.comie experts Save them !

 

[joro001]

I think the main point is that nGTLD investors believe the following:

nGTLD will be extremely successful and they will make tons of money.

.com investors believe:

nGTLDs will largely fail and investors go broke.

What's to happen IMO.

nGTLD largely fail, investors broke (Most likely).

Alternative scenario(much less likely):

nGTLD successful, registry rich, domainers poor

Impossible scenario (won't happen):

nGTLD successful, registry rich but allows domainers to enrich themselves.

This sums it up better then my long winded post above much more succinctly. The only addition is I believe that .com investors are going to struggle unless they either have great names already or don't have big budgets to buy up quality names. I can see medium to average to lower quality .coms to see demand continue to fall over time.

 

[jmcc]

This is what the result of a real survey look like:
http://www.hosterstats.com/com-website-usage-survey.php

"We investigate technologies of websites, not of individual web pages. If we find a technology on any of the pages, it is considered to be used by the website."

This is particularly worrying because it suggests that there is no analysis of usage at all.

The development and usage in a TLD are actually more complex that it would seem because there are different types of usage. Some sites may not even be in the TLD but are sites from other TLDs where the webmaster has not set up a proper redirect. Wordpress and Joomla installations may be nothing more than a "Hello World" post and nothing more. Registrars and hosters may, if they are not parking undeveloped domains on PPC may have their own custom "coming soon" page. People may have the domain names for sale though they are not posted on Sedo, Afternic or any of the big auction sites. A site could be a brand protection registration where it is not actually a site in that TLD. The site could be compromised/hacked. Measuring all this is actually more complex than saying n% of sites in a TLD are being used. Preselecting sites based on Alexa is very dodgy methodology and the reference to "domain spammers" seems utterly clueless.

Regards...jmcc

 

[pfj]

The bottom line is, why set up your business in a marginal extension.

Most domainers aren't running businesses though - they are speculators, gambling on striking it rich. You only need to look at some of the ludicrous domains people register and then post here saying "I think I've got a really valuable domain here!" Most of them are junk. They aren't doing a proper analysis, and they aren't purchasing with margin in mind.

However, i'm sorry to say it, there is no serious money for domainers in the scenario that is playing out and you will not be able to ask big prices for your average to okay .coms with these alternatives either. The premiums already will set you back serious money so you better have huge pockets to play in domains or else it's going to be one big fail short to medium term for all extensions.

I think this is one of the best analyses of this. New gTLDs will be used - yes. I don't think anyone is denying that. They won't replace .com though. Think of it this way: we are only really 10 or 15 years into widespread adoption of the web. ICANN is already gearing up for a second round of new gTLD applications. In another ten or fifteen years the web as we understand it today may not even exist. We may not access information by typing domains or searching in the same way that we understand it now. But what is sure is that there is a flood of options out there.

New gTLDs won't have significant value - unless they are short, intuitive, single word domains that work perfectly in combination with their domain extension -name.pro, injury.lawer, circle.jerk, pink,elephant, flying,pig. As "investment" domains there are too many uncertainties - the stability of registries, the ability for registries to reclassify names as premium, change pricing at will, high renewal fees, etc. Spammers moving in can destroy a domain extension's reputation, devaluing these speculative registrations in a stroke. And then, even after all that, it's down to what catches the common consciousness - will .web beat .xyz? Will .online triumph over .link? No one can say - and we are too early in to divine the future.

In short, I think it's great that people believe that new gTLDs will work out for them. But it's a bet, not a business. It's trying to see into the future and hoping that you're right - too often, though, the people I see posting here aren't basing their futurology on any fact, just hope. They're too invested in their extension coming out top, and have to convince themselves that the money they have spent is well "invested" and not just a huge ill-conceived gamble. That's why people take such entrenched positions in this debate - it's like gamblers with horses; if the jockey gets on the wrong side, they won't bet; if the horse looks at the sky, it's a sign that it will definitely win. NOTHING you can do will shake a superstitious gambler from his strongly held beliefs, and nothing will shake an aspirational domainer from believing he's clever enough to have seen the next big thing before anyone else.

 

[000]

The point is, as more and more companies use ngtld's, it's getting easier and easier for other companies to also say no to .com, unless it's truly incredible and really stands out (but even then, there are a bunch of new incredible options for most companies to now choose from, instead of very few almost-always-.com options).

For the most part, only the VERY BEST domains (of any extension) will be able to command a great premium anymore.

Good-medium quality .com's will need to be priced more competitively than ever so that the buyer doesn't go with one of the many great new alternatives.

Decent/mediocre domains (.com's and ngtld's alike) will be harder than ever to sell -- and, let's be honest, most domainers have mostly mediocre (or worse) domains (of any extension).

It's now more important than ever to focus on the VERY BEST domains (regardless of extension). No longer can we preach "stick with quality .com's". That is simply NOT the only way to win, and the pool of GREAT .com's is very small/expensive. There are a lot of ways to win that don't require touching .com at all, if you focus on QUALITY.

 

[joro001]

Basic business 101- What applies to all markets applies to the domain market. Creation, growth, expansion, transform, repeat.

The sky is falling. The bullies stole my lunch money. A disaster. That's what all monopolies claim when they are challenged and divided up but somehow the markets continue to grow with or without them. There are still lots of great .coms available at a reasonable price, the problem is less want them. leftovers don't fit the end users need/desire and add significantly to ongoing marketing costs. 174 million chose not to use .com to date and not just because they couldn't get a .com. That number isn't going down. 127 million did choose .com That number isn't going down either unless a large number of .com investors bail, and end users aren't dumping in significant numbers nor will they. The China market won't be back until their market inventory is depleted and as long as the global market values DESIRABLE .coms, geo's and New "G's" there will be a market for all.
Keyword: DESIRABLE created demand by end users and investors
today, 315 million registrations, 2yrs, 400 million registrations, 5yrs, 500 million registrations. Very possible unless there is a global economic meltdown. Also possible. I believe 5yrs, 500 million registrations to be a conservative estimate.
If you were paying attention there were lots of great domains available not held back and at costs worthy of holding for up to 10 years. So what if some of the 2-3 characters/keywords were held back. The top investors would have acquired a lot of them anyway and sat on them just like the registries. Now that the shorts are moving toward "investment grade" pricing, the true market for these domains is very small compared to the general market at large and it doesn't matter how many characters there are in a domain. If you have to explain it, it will cost way more than the purchase price to market every year. The domainer's that will survive will have the skills necessary. If you can't sell, negotiate, market or keep up with research and trends then yes you probably won't make it and you should liquidate ASAP. There will be more opportunities in the down years of any market cycle when the shaky investors, domainers bail in .com and New "G's" Happy Hunting!
What I do see collapsing is Reg fees as the same happened to .com 100yr to 70yr to 35yr to 10yr and now 8yr and at times the 99cent sales. Registries that continue with extreme yearly fees could be subject to ? Lots of actions come to mind, yet too early to say. I believe most will adjust to remain competitive/sell, and it's more likely .com reg fees will go up not down. The market pricing issues that domainers have will effect Registries/registrars too. They need investors, re-sellers. Think about this. If investors/re-sellers weren't "allowed" the end user would probably have better pricing, the inventory would be sitting stagnate instead of circulating in an aftermarket of speculators. End users don't add to market circulation, they take domains out of the market. The market needs more choice and will contribute to more stable category pricing ranges overall for the end user and investors.

Your opinion is respected and i've said mine, each to their own.

All the best.

 

[000]

Saw this URL on a billboard on a busy highway outside Denver yesterday on my way to the mountains:

COLISEUM.SHOW

The Coliseum Show is the largest show of its kind in the USA (minerals, fossils and gems).

It's interesting that they decided to advertise their .SHOW rather than their .COM; I'd imagine it's because their .show is more eye-catching! They must have thought it would attract more visitors than promoting their matching .com -- and guess what, it got me! I'm now going to go check out their show. How's that for a ngtld at work!

(In the Denver area? Let's meet up! September 10-18 in Denver.)

 

[000]

Those examples you have used are brand TLDs, affordable methods of brand protection and strengthen for those who can afford it.

You just listed a bunch of brand gtlds and I don't even consider them generic. Ones that we can't buy and sell. Ones where the companies already own the .com and probably most aren't changing.

Obviously, I'm quite aware that these are brand gtld's that are not for us domain investors to play with.

That's totally irrelevant to my post. Did you even read it?

The whole point is that most of these companies wouldn't be lining up to get them in the first place if they didn't see a non-com future........ but that clearly went right over your head in your mad dash to defend your beloved .com.

Hmmmm

Just the facts, man! Just the facts!

 

[kite26]

The ngtld's for now make .com even stronger.I wonder, why it will be changed at future? Additionally, when you have .com you have everything. Marketing, traffic, everything. However, ngtld's may increase their sales after yeeeeears. Maybe...An investor doesn't want too much risk. The less the better. And if sale one after years... What? You will take your renewal fees back. I have many ngtld's....Nah, too many other options.

 

[kite26]

I have to ask, since I know you're actually invested in the ngtld's yourself (and not just ragging on the concept altogether) -- is your opinion based on your personal experience?

I took a look at your Sedo portfolio to see what sort of domains you might be basing your experience on, and I'll be honest, while you do have some nice domains (I like the burger one!), I think your problem is that you are for the most part working with scraps, rather than focusing on the really good domains. I've run into this same problem myself many times of course. But if your opinion is based on stuff like volcano mom and doughnut top not selling, well I wouldn't give up on new gtld's altogether. Just focus on the better ones and I suspect you'll see better results. Don't buy stuff like .mom .top .party... imho....

I don't want to invest further. I said the reasons above. Anyway, that's my opinion about ngtld's. I am trying to improve my skills as i am not guru. The trulth is that if you don't have the best of the best on ngtlds probably you won't sell. And i talk generally.

 

[kite26]

In depth, the new extensions are not bad. They have some +.For a creative person, a good keyword-ext combo maybe be thesaurus. Another minus is that names like.... heart.surgery for example, even though it seems perfect, is not so....scientific i can say.

 

[000]

You lose the game before even it starts. You can even realize that instead of these painful renewals, buy your .com of your dreams. Definitely.

It's just not that black-and-white though. The savvy investor has plenty of great new gtld's to choose from with normal-ish renewal costs. One mustn't necessarily settle for .com. Many new gtld's have renewals in the $10-30 range!

 

[Wannabean]

I like renewals less than about $50 max...

Even at $50 it can't be done. They're a rip off. And <$50 ones will be harder to sell. Let's be optimistic that 2.5% of a new g portfolio sells every year. That's a 40 year average wait to sell any given domain. With even a $50 renewal how are you gonna make money on that? Especially when there are so many alternatives.

 

[gilescoley]

You will find its all just brand protection, they are not buying them to rebrand the company, they will want them the same way as would want the .co.uk, .de, .com.au, .ca etc etc etc