.tv 86.tv on Sedo ....Is this a premium?

[Len]

I see that 86.tv is on auction at Sedo... current bid is $70 with no reserve!! Is this a $1000/yr Premium? There is no mention of this by the seller...This is exactly why potential buyers think twice before they purchase..If the seller does not disclose the premium renewal price then you have no idea what you are going to be hit with until it's too late!

 

[heroes]

I just looked I couldn't see 86.tv at Sedo! (has it been taken off?)

But you are correct Len - the seller should state up front if its a Premium and what the renewal is. If that's not declared then it is misleading and IMO deceptive.

It would be a $1,000 Premium because it was regged May 2 this year and on my list 80,81,82,83,84,85 & 87.tv's are all $1,000 Premiums.

 

[Len]

I can still see it on the active auction list. Take a look around the 4days 19hrs + mark!
As you say, this is not only misleading it is harmful to .tv in general not to declare the renewal price.

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

Disclose

I see that 86.tv is on auction at Sedo... current bid is $70 with no reserve!! Is this a $1000/yr Premium? There is no mention of this by the seller...This is exactly why potential buyers think twice before they purchase..If the seller does not disclose the premium renewal price then you have no idea what you are going to be hit with until it's too late!

If the seller is a Namepros.com member, or DNOA member,he should most definately post all information like that. The buyer should be made aware if it is anything other than reg fee. When I sold UV.tv on Sedo,and another, I let the buyer know. In my opinion, if I bought it, and it was other than reg fee, I would tell Sedo I wanted to cancel. Of course, you should ask first, but how do you do that, until you have made a bid?
Of course, the seller could say "Come on, a NN.tv for reg fee? Get real".


Frank Imo

 

[Len]

Of course, the seller could say "Come on, a NN.tv for reg fee? Get real".


Frank Imo

The buyer could also say " Your selling a thousand dollar domain for $70...Sure!"

 

[heroes]

If the seller is a Namepros.com member, or DNOA member,he should most definately post all information like that. The buyer should be made aware if it is anything other than reg fee. When I sold UV.tv on Sedo,and another, I let the buyer know. In my opinion, if I bought it, and it was other than reg fee, I would tell Sedo I wanted to cancel. Of course, you should ask first, but how do you do that, until you have made a bid?
Of course, the seller could say "Come on, a NN.tv for reg fee? Get real".


Frank Imo

This is a real dilemna.

Doing your own due diligence you contact eNom asking if NN.tv (or any other "likely" name) is a Premium and what is the renewal, and they wont tell you.

You contact the seller and he says ""Come on, a NN.tv for reg fee? Get real" - sure, but at what price. There has been recent discussion here about LL's and they range in Premium renewal from $250 (or less) to $10,000. The only way is to ask for a screen shot and if the seller is not forthcoming then I wouldn't buy.

However, I know about .tv Premium pricing. What about the person that knows little about the extension and nothing about Premiums and sees a very attractive LL or NN for a few hundred bucks? By the time they have won at Auction, transacted and then in a position to ask eNom because they are the new owner its to late to cancel - that is the dilemna. In fact if they know nothing about Premiums they would only find out if they went to transfer to another Registry or when renewal time happens.

IMO, as .tv is gathering traction and there are more sales happening, the aftermarket auction sites (Sedo, Afternic, Moniker etc) need to have in the "Submit a name for sale" section that if the TLD is a .TV, then tick a box for "Premium" or "Non Premium" and if its a "Premium" then state Renewal fee. That should not be too hard.

 

[jeffoverman]

Interesting. I will post this and revise my info on my personal names I am trying unload with godaddy and sedo

It would be helpful on this and etc

Its the catch 22 I guess. Buyers need to do there research, sellers need to do there part and etc

When I buy names I always look at this before I place bids.

Is there really a one way answer to this? Not really but then you can have sellers saying its no fee per year, when actually there is a fee. I see that occuring.

J

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

A buyer can always back out of the deal. I sold Mexicana.tv for $3,000 . The guy made the offer, I thought it was a great deal, I didn't even counter. I thought this was too good to be true. It was. I waited and waited for payment. It never came. I contacted the rep at Sedo, he contacted the buyer.

Now the buyer was backing out, stating that "his lawyer advise himnot to buy this name because it was involved in some type of dispute in court, because of Mexicana Airlines, yada yada yada." There is nothing that I have found that proves this. As we all know, it would depend on how the buyer was planning to use Mexicana.tv . So the buyer cancelled. Sedo advised me I could take him to court on this. Sure, why not, I'll spend $3-5,000 to make $3,000. I didn't pursue it.

I am opinion that was not even a valid reason to cancel buying a domain. Buying a domain in which the seller didn't disclose the registration fee, if other than reg fee, would be a valid reason to me. I think Sedo would also back the buyer in this case, maybe I'm wrong. It just isn't right. The seller is trying to make money, by pulling a fast one. "Oh, by the way, I forget to tell you, this domain has a $1,000 annual registration fee. Hope you don't mind. Was I supposed to let you know this? Sorry." :yell:
Maybe we can get some input from a Sedo rep on this.

Frank

 

[Len]

I hear you Frank..had the same thing happen to me with Flyer.tv a couple of months back!
I would hope should the buyer back out on this one if they don't know about the $1000 reg fee that sedo would understand and not ban them from future bidding.

 

[TheBulldog]

I don't see this listed at sedo.com, or sedo.co.uk.....

link please?

 

[heroes]

I don't see this listed at sedo.com, or sedo.co.uk.....

link please?

I couldn't see it either (and still can't). I thought it just must be something my end.

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

86.tv & 68.tv

It's there. There is a 68.tv & the 86.tv:

http://www.sedo.com/search/searchre...nerid=&language=us&listing_type=auctions_only

Frank

 

[jeffoverman]

With me I don't own any yearly expense domain names even though I am actually considering one

Guys I know what your saying. I would be pissed to but when I am buying names I always check. To me its like walking into a dealer, you see a used car and say hey here is 3000 bucks and I want the car without researching the kelly book value or test driving

For me personally I do the work and make sure I feel comfortable in purchasing the name weather its on the list or not.

I am agreeing with the sellers on this either. People pull fast ones each day. Sure. That's a fact. But when your dropping money you need to do some research on this I feel

Now this was mentioned above, sedo should format weather its pre name or not.

The way I see this, I see it as buyers fault for being lazy, seller not being up front, sedo for allowing this.

For instance with me, I think I have 15 names on the block with sedo and godaddy. They all come without yearly expenses. I will revise things in hearing both sides through this but the bottom line is this. Do your research like you do when buying a car, buying a pair of pants, buying a bed, whatever it may be like every day life calls.

Don't mean to be a bit outspoken some. Sorry. Just the way I see it and 2 cents worth

J

 

[TheBulldog]

I have to say, I searche for 86.tv at both sites and nothing came up. Weird

 

[jeffoverman]

Forgot a word. I am not agreeing on the sellers of this either.

Sorry. My 2am response.

 

[mkylut]

https://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=19193&tracked=&partnerid=

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

Buyer and seller

From Sedo website:



"Seller has not entered, used or otherwise provided any false or inaccurate information in the listing information, which Seller acknowledges forms an integral part of this Agreement. "

I am not a lawyer, but I would think that if the buyer is not posting information that the domain is a premium regsitration, he is not meeting the above. I think the buyer would have a legal right to cancel the sale, if he wanted too, due to a "undisclosed" premium registration fee. But, would the buyer want too? Maybe he will hope he can sell it before the registration is dua again.
Frank

 

[jeffoverman]

if 86 stands for something personally rig around it??

If this 86.tv stands for something personally for you, a business venture, something like that or etc

You could always rig this name in other formats

Sure 86.tv looks and sounds better then these examples but if you want to brand this or 86 check these

I didn't do the homework, didn't check if its a pre yearly rate, didn't check if these are free and etc. Your on your own

86tv.tv

Eightysix.tv

E86.tv

86channel.tv

Etc, etc and etc

This avoids the yearly fee assuming these examples are not on the list

Signing off for couple hours. Keep us posted, curious what concludes on this.

Well had to jump on my phone again

86tv.tv is wide open

Please note and disclaimer due to above comments. I am not advising this, suggesting this nor did I check the list.

I am mobi now and just checked. 86tv.org is free as well

Good luck in what you decide.

J

 

[Len]

jeffoverman, I understand what you are saying about the buyer doing his checks before making a bid. However, we all know that there is now no way to check if a domain has a premium price or what it is!!! That in itself is reason enough that every premium renewal fee should be disclosed by the seller.

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

100%

jeffoverman, I understand what you are saying about the buyer doing his checks before making a bid. However, we all know that there is now no way to check if a domain has a premium price or what it is!!! That in itself is reason enough that every premium renewal fee should be disclosed by the seller.

100% correct.

Frank