.tv $50,000 per year premium name strategy

[MillersCrossing]

This idea came to me when I had regged ninjas.tv and forgot to reg ninjastv and/or ninjatv.com. Someone else obliged and took the name within seconds of me posting my appraisal request - which, by the way someone had valued at mid xxx........

So I checked the premium .tv names and found one $50,000 premium name, apartamentos.tv that still had apartamentostv.com available - so I regged it.

I found another, internacional.TV at a $30,000 a year premium available as a TV.com and regged that one too.

I found document.TV available aswell, a $10,000 a year premium and regged that one.

I took nuts.tv, a $2000 premium as a .com, the same for belguim.tv and discreet.tv...

Altogether, I have one $50,000 premium, two $30,000 premiums, 5 $10,000 premiums and about 10 more between $500 - $7500 premiums - ofcourse all as .coms.

There are still many left, though the really decent names are of course mostly gone.

What I cannot understand is the gaping hole in Verisign's strategy. should they be able to get those $50,000 and above premiums to catch the interest of the big boys, surely those premiums become a whole lot less valuable given the fact that the .com version has been taken.

Equity 78 has on numerous occasions spoken about protecting the .TV's.....

Does that translate into one very big bargaining chip to hold a $50,000 per year premium in the .com version??

am interessted in anyone elses take on this issue!!

 

[thegenius1]

am interessted in anyone elses take on this issue!!

My take is these names fit well with the ext TV thats why they are priced so high , but when you try to squeez tv.com on the end i think it takes away highly from the value , but you may have a chance of a company thinking they must own this aswell and shooting you a offer but i would think it would be highly unlikely. I dont know if you are familiar with IDN's but i went through the Premium Terms and Regd out some in Japanese maybe you can do this in Spanish or French ect.

 

[MillersCrossing]

Good point on the foreign name premium regges....

My take is these names fit well with the ext TV thats why they are priced so high , but when you try to squeez tv.com on the end i think it takes away highly from the value , but you may have a chance of a company thinking they must own this aswell and shooting you a offer but i would think it would be highly unlikely. I dont know if you are familiar with IDN's but i went through the Premium Terms and Regd out some in Japanese maybe you can do this in Spanish or French ect.

But unfortunately, my .TV money has run dry, especially since I have two that I will be developing...I am also guessing that the foreign "premium" names have long gone!!

And I agree with your point that companies that go for a .TV premium may well decide to throw me a bone (hhhhhhhhmmmm - conjures up the image of a vulture!!) but the fact that these premiums were unprotected is amazing....

 

[equity78]

There is more than one thing going on here, First off you are right I have said to protect the .tv domains you own that you are going to develop or are premium .tvs. These .tvs were not regged and to be honest Verisign does not care about the strategies we care about as domainers. If they got the $50,000 they would be happy with that. Now we believe in .tv here but there are plenty of people that like a ***tv.com Nathan Sassover for one. Look at the years UFC ran on UFC.tv exclusively, UFCTV.com had an ovt with ext of 1200. So even though we think go with the .tv there are plenty that will type in or use a ***tv.com

 

[snoop]

surely those premiums become a whole lot less valuable given the fact that the .com version has been taken.

They already are a whole lot less valuable. Seriously who is going to spend 5 figures annually to renew document.tv or apartamentos.tv?? a tv show about documents? I think you are taking those registration fees as though they are a sign of value, they clearly aren't.

 

[dottvfan]

It "might" be a smart strategy, but keep in mind that some of the premiums are duds so the usual rules that apply to regging a .tv should be adhered to. Regging blindly without considering how good the domain would be as a .tv would not be smart.

All in all I prefer going with the .tv's over .coms for "tv-like" content driven sites but I can see your point when the equivalent .tv has a ridiculous price tag.

 

[RPK]

I just registered a premium for $500 and when I sent an email asking for the xxxxtv.com from the owner, he said he will sell it to me for $5900.00. Clearly the .co, version in not worth nearly that amount and this guy is not even using it

 

[MillersCrossing]

Well, almost!!

They already are a whole lot less valuable. Seriously who is going to spend 5 figures annually to renew document.tv or apartamentos.tv?? a tv show about documents? I think you are taking those registration fees as though they are a sign of value, they clearly aren't.

I agree that Document .TV struck me as odd for a $10,000 premium - per year. I regged it because I am under the illusion that Verisign has got professional domainers on their books who helped them with a pricing formula......but documentary .TV would of course have made a whole lot more sense.
Apartementos.TV does make sense though. Imagine, everyone in the spanish speaking world can advertise their apartment for sale/ for rent/for room mate on a site that has the full video footage of each and every room in the apartment uing the latest vid cam technology. Now sites like this already exist, but with a generic word like aparrtments + .TV - it will clearly convey its service. ---

What about Drogas.TV, another one I regged as a .COM a $10,000 premium, - a drug website clearly has a strong appeal, with many business plan possibilities to pursue - its english translation Drugs.TV carries a $50,000 premium - I wouldn't argue that this premium is a waste of money - althouth the yearly fees do make me wonder!!

I also regged InternacionalTV.com a $30,000 premium for the .TV. This also makes a whole lot more sense to charge a premium - again - its TV.com remained unprotected until a few days ago........

And to Century Domains, I understand the fact that the price tag for your requested tv.com was ridiculous, and you did right by not paying for it, but for a large company looking for a name like Internacional .TV, paying a one off $10,000 (just a guestimate!!) to capture and protect their premium name, would merely be a small tax write off!!

Equity 78, Absolutely agree with you - and yes, Nathan Sassover came to mind immediately when I decided to go ahead and reg the .com version.

One point though I would question, perhaps you can help me understand....you stated that "....and to be honest Verisign does not care about the strategies we care about as domainers. If they got the $50,000 they would be happy with that....."

Why does it not care about us domainers?? We are in a very similar related business!!
If they got their $50,000 they would be happy....but by regging the tv.com version, does that not put into peril their $50,000 price tag - or whatever "sensible" premium reg fee they are really after for their .TV names??

 

[RPK]

Miller? You regged document.tv for 10k?

 

[MillersCrossing]

No sir!!

Miller? You regged document.tv for 10k?

No, I regged all of mine as xxxTV.com.

Including those mentioned above, and belgiumtv.com, calleTV.com, prestamostv.com, wirklichtv.com, palacetv.com, cataloguetv.com, discreettv.com, nutstv.com, policiastv.com, policiatv.com, governmenttv.org
and some others that I can't remember!!

 

[kemjika11]

i think those .tv is a TLD with alot of hype that will not gain much steam in the future. instead of spending $xx,xxx on no traffic, some potential .tvs, why not just buy some top notch .coms with traffic, park em and earn good revenue knowing your domain has very good future sales potential. At the end of the day, i think .com is still king in the land of TLDs. i would spend 50k on a .com any day over a .tv IMHO.

 

[quality]

Trouble is all those premium .tvs are not premium at all business.tv $1million per year forget it. Trouble is ***tv.com is just as good and a damn sight cheaper also businesstvchannel.com sportstvchannel.com. No .tv is mainly a speculators market with very few sales.................................Simply a waste of space

 

[TLDnetworks]

i think those .tv is a TLD with alot of hype that will not gain much steam in the future. instead of spending $xx,xxx on no traffic, some potential .tvs, why not just buy some top notch .coms with traffic, park em and earn good revenue knowing your domain has very good future sales potential. At the end of the day, i think .com is still king in the land of TLDs. i would spend 50k on a .com any day over a .tv IMHO.

Thanks for your brillaint analysis. Now go home.

Trouble is all those premium .tvs are not premium at all business.tv $1million per year forget it. Trouble is ***tv.com is just as good and a damn sight cheaper also businesstvchannel.com sportstvchannel.com. No .tv is mainly a speculators market with very few sales.................................Simply a waste of space

Thanks for your brilliant input. Now go home.
Why do you two even visit the forum? You don't like TV - More power to you, just stay away from the forum and you don't have to worry about it.

MILLERS - I see your point, and Equity and I have talked alot about that exact concept. The fact is, yes, there are people that will look to the xxxtv.com as either an option or protection of their .TV. In the same token, dottvfan makes a correct point that the strategy still applies even though it's $7 vs $30. I've regged a few as protection to my TV's as well as picked up a number of xxxtv.com's (many that were dropped);
ThreeTV .com
ForeignFilmsTV .com
BoatsTV .com
LocalAccessTV .com
PaparazziTV .com
PolynesianTV .com
CoconutTV .com
CrapsTV .com
RockyMountainTV .com
TheFinalTableTV .com
Might be a few more, but these are some that I've collected.

 

[MillersCrossing]

pLEASE DON'T TURN THIS INTO A .tv BASHING THREAD

Trouble is all those premium .tvs are not premium at all business.tv $1million per year forget it. Trouble is ***tv.com is just as good and a damn sight cheaper also businesstvchannel.com sportstvchannel.com. No .tv is mainly a speculators market with very few sales.................................Simply a waste of space

I DO VALUE .TV, AS DO THE HUGE AMOUNT OF OTHERS WHO HAVE MADE THE .TV THE THIRD MOST POPULAR TDN AFTER .COM & .NET - IMO. ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, REGGING OF .TV'S HAS BEEN HUGE.....CHECK FOR YOURSELVES!! YOU NEED TO SEE THE FUTURE TO DETERMINE THE PRESENT.

 

[RogueWriter]

i think those .tv is a TLD with alot of hype that will not gain much steam in the future. instead of spending $xx,xxx on no traffic, some potential .tvs, why not just buy some top notch .coms with traffic, park em and earn good revenue knowing your domain has very good future sales potential. At the end of the day, i think .com is still king in the land of TLDs. i would spend 50k on a .com any day over a .tv IMHO.

I guess what I would put back to you is, why not buy both? Why nopt buy some dot coms, and why not spread the wealth around a bit and pick up some good quality .tvs?

You certainly do not need to spend $50K to snag up some terrific .tv domains: I come across a dozen good ones every day at regular price, many of them one word domains that you would not in any uncertain way ever have a chance of regging the .com at that price.

A perfect example:

I pointed out a couple of days ago that Speedway.tv was available for $100 a year. Buying it for a few years out would reduce that yearly average considerably.

Or, you could try to buy Speedway.com from Speedway, Incorporated for fifty thousand dollars. Good luck with that!

Hmmmm..... maybe seventy five bucks for a domain that be used as an extremely brandable racing portal, or a couple million bucks trying to wrestle the .com away from a billion dollar corporation.

 

[MillersCrossing]

fOR EXAMPLE!!

Hmmmm..... maybe seventy five bucks for a domain that be used as an extremely brandable racing portal, or a couple million bucks trying to wrestle the .com away from a billion dollar corporation.[/QUOTE]

fOR EXAMPLE....stopwatch.tv - $29.99 TOTAL!!

 

[Badger]

yeah, nice thread....

Ok for people to bash .TV - not one little problem.... Surely it means less speculators chasing the rush?? And people are entitled to their opinion and comment. so, .tv speculators rise above. Especially if those naysayers are those who buy up sub domains ... Wait, sorry, lest we not go there...

The [name]tv.com has been discussed at length before. In fact I ran the list of all GreatDom's domains through with such an ending and posted it here - only for Elequa to snap them all up and give me all his NP$. And hes one of the greatest buyers of domains in the world - so there must something in it...

I actually bought up a rake of these, pokershowtv.com pokertourtv.com and racingchanneltv.com and they actually get quite an average amount of traffic...

 

[TLDnetworks]

Especially if those naysayers are those who buy up sub domains ... Wait, sorry, lest we not go there...

:lol: took a mighty effort not to go there....

 

[RogueWriter]

Badger- I do wish I'd read that before listing a zillion .tvs, lol, I would have spent some time reviewing " *tv.com " domains to reg before posting. Hehe, live and learn, I guess.

There are so many angles, really, to good domaining. I have learned a lot from the vets around here, and have so much more to learn, idea-wise.

 

[quality]

Thanks for your brillaint analysis. Now go home.
Thanks for your brilliant input. Now go home.
Why do you two even visit the forum? You don't like TV - More power to you, just stay away from the forum and you don't have to worry about it.

MILLERS - I see your point, and Equity and I have talked alot about that exact concept. The fact is, yes, there are people that will look to the xxxtv.com as either an option or protection of their .TV. In the same token, dottvfan makes a correct point that the strategy still applies even though it's $7 vs $30. I've regged a few as protection to my TV's as well as picked up a number of xxxtv.com's (many that were dropped);
ThreeTV .com
ForeignFilmsTV .com
BoatsTV .com
LocalAccessTV .com
PaparazziTV .com
PolynesianTV .com
CoconutTV .com
CrapsTV .com
RockyMountainTV .com
TheFinalTableTV .com
Might be a few more, but these are some that I've collected.

Oh so we should just have forums where everyone agrees with one another.... sounds like a pretty boring forum to me......by the way you better
reg the hyphens as well boats-tv.com