strategy Hand Reg Stratagies

Joe Nichols said:

Thanks Rich.

I'm starting to get a sense of your general strategy, but I suppose I'm interested in the specifics of what it would look like to actually sell one of the names to an existing business.

Let's take IncredibleMilk. Say I have a business in the dairy industry, with an active website.

I learn from you that Home.Loans sold for six figures, and that Cars.com sold for seven figures. I learn about the businesses you personally named. I learn about the value that GoDaddy has assigned to the domain name you're selling.

Now, where is the link that makes me want to buy IncredibleMilk? What problem is it solving for my business?

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Joe, a name like IncredibleMilk.com would be marketed to anyone of the dozens of Milk/Dairy Milk Associations here in the US and in Canada. Just Google Milk Associations to see how many there are. This, and I would market it to some of the largest Milk/Dairy producers in both the US and Canada. I own another domain IncredibleFlorida.com where I have plans to market it to the state of Florida tourism Bureau, large nation travel agencies that promote the state of Florida, and to entities like Disney who can more than afford my domain if it drives tourism to Florida and Disney.

Check this site out for IncredibleIndia.com to learn what can be done with a site like Incredible Florida. I intend to use Incredible India as an example.

Besides National Advertisers for the Dairy Industry, the medical/health/nutrition industry my also like to own IncredibleMilk if it were to lead to a site like this:https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/273451.php

Joe...these entities aren't looking for my domains, thus I plan on taking it to them. Also, I'm just starting to work with a local University to help monetize my domains. As you know I'm still a work in progress, but with my background and experience in sales and marketing, I don't need to sell many domains to be profitable.

Finally, I've been a little distracted of late while accumulating a portfolio of marijuana/cannabis/hemp/420 domains. Of the 50 I've bought, maybe 10 of them have some pretty serious potential, and within the next few days I intend to have them listed at PotDomains(.)com Stay tuned.

bmugford said:

Yep. That is the difference between business theory and business reality.
Some people just talk about selling domains, some people actually sell domains.

Brad

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Brad...while you've been bashing, I've been selling.Keep wasting your time here....it speaks VOLUMES

MetBob said:

By the way, not only or perhaps mainly re hand registrations, but a really insightful post from NZ Domainer in his blog post today. I really like how he suggests reading the NameBio domain report, narrowing it down to a more manageable list, and how to evaluate ideas arising from them. The best read in domain investing this week for me. Check it out!

https://nzdomainer.com/2018/09/17/where-does-a-newbie-domainer-start/

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Bob...I'd also ad that few end users will buy domain names from Flippa, Sedo etc. Why?...they've NEVER heard of these companies, and an end user will never find a name there. I don't intend to sell any of my domains to another domainer unless they approach me with a deal I can't refuse. Why would I sell a name like IncredibleFlorida or IncredibleMilk to another domainer for pennies when the big bucks come from serious players like the Florida Tourism Association and the National Milk/Dairy Association or national milk producers.

Thanks for participating in this thread Bob...I see where the bashers/haters had taken a day off, but they're back on the warpath. Don't you just luv it

domainer111 said:

Some software from DomainPunch could be great for this.

They have a product that helps you import suffixes and prefixes with one click so you can easily create large lists of domains which it will then scan.

You can also then identify redemption or pending delete domains from the same list, see if there are some good ones for sale etc. (from the dns.)

So the strategy is to get your list of suffixes and prefixes for the software. I can't recall the exact product on domainpunch perhaps someone from the community knows it.

Personally I prefer the droplists than fresh domains unless it's a new industry or area.

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Domainer111...thanks for your input, but when buying domains for a specific industry like I've been buying for the last 3 weeks for the marijuana/cannabis/hemp/pot etc.industry would never work from a drop list. I own multiple domains from the marijuana group, the cannabis/canna group, the hemp group, the leaf group, and as of today the "420" group.

I know you're not questioning my strategy and I'm not questioning yours. My 50 plus years of experience in business tells me there are many different ways to succeed and maybe just as many to fail. Like I said to someone recently, I'm in it to win it

I own USMilk.com, use all the superlatives you want.

Bulloney said:

Joe, a name like IncredibleMilk.com would be marketed to anyone of the dozens of Milk/Dairy Milk Associations here in the US and in Canada. Just Google Milk Associations to see how many there are. This, and I would market it to some of the largest Milk/Dairy producers in both the US and Canada. I own another domain IncredibleFlorida.com where I have plans to market it to the state of Florida tourism Bureau, large nation travel agencies that promote the state of Florida, and to entities like Disney who can more than afford my domain if it drives tourism to Florida and Disney.

Check this site out for IncredibleIndia.com to learn what can be done with a site like Incredible Florida. I intend to use Incredible India as an example.

Besides National Advertisers for the Dairy Industry, the medical/health/nutrition industry my also like to own IncredibleMilk if it were to lead to a site like this:https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/273451.php

Joe...these entities aren't looking for my domains, thus I plan on taking it to them. Also, I'm just starting to work with a local University to help monetize my domains. As you know I'm still a work in progress, but with my background and experience in sales and marketing, I don't need to sell many domains to be profitable.

Finally, I've been a little distracted of late while accumulating a portfolio of marijuana/cannabis/hemp/420 domains. Of the 50 I've bought, maybe 10 of them have some pretty serious potential, and within the next few days I intend to have them listed at PotDomains(.)com Stay tuned.

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I think what I'm gathering is that you're not actually selling the domain name, but an idea that you've had as a result of registering this domain name.

It's an idea that could be realized by using any number of available names like FantasticMilk, MiraculousMilk, or TotallyTubularMilk, but you bought IncredibleMilk and will be marketing the idea using that domain name.

So following that realization, I suppose I'm still trying to understand how a dairy association or dairy advertiser will be sold on your idea. What problem will you be solving for them by way of a new website on IncredibleMilk?

Bulloney said:

Why would I sell a name like IncredibleFlorida or IncredibleMilk to another domainer for pennies when the big bucks come from serious players like the Florida Tourism Association and the National Milk/Dairy Association or national milk producers.

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Florida already has - https://www.visitflorida.com, https://www.visitflorida.org/

Most states already have official tourist sites.

Joe Nichols said:

I think what I'm gathering is that you're not actually selling the domain name, but an idea that you've had as a result of registering this domain name.

It's an idea that could be realized by using any number of available names like FantasticMilk, MiraculousMilk, or TotallyTubularMilk, but you bought IncredibleMilk and will be marketing the idea using that domain name.

So following that realization, I suppose I'm still trying to understand how a dairy association or dairy advertiser will be sold on your idea. What problem will you be solving for them by way of a new website on IncredibleMilk?

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Joe...first of all, It's not just my opinion, but others opinion that the adjective "Incredible" carries more influence from a professional standpoint than than "fantastic" "amazing" or "TotallyTubular". Even 9 of my NamePros peers think so; https://www.namepros.com/threads/your-reg-of-the-day.528260/page-1277#post-6889354 A member by the name of DomainBell who has been a member here for over 10 years commented that it was the best hand reg she'd seen in the last 60 days.

So as for the "idea", i think it's a pretty good domain. Joe, there are literally dozens of Milk Associations between the US and Canada, and thousands of large dairy farms. Common sense tells me that marketing the "benefits" of milk is a no brainer from an industry perspective. From a nutritional standpoint, even the government might want to promote the industry.

Furthermore, I know if I was one of the largest milk producers in the world I'd luv the "idea" promoting/marketing my brand like this;

Incredible Milk

JB Lions said:

Florida already has - https://www.visitflorida.com, https://www.visitflorida.org/

Most states already have official tourist sites.

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JB, while we all know your agenda, I'll take a second to humor you Do you have a clue how many different entities promote Florida Tourism? Rather than guess maybe you might want to check this out; https://www.fadmo.org/ . It's the Florida Association of Destination Marketing Organizations.of which there are hundreds of members. And this doesn't include the literally thousands of travel agencies around the world that promote Florida as a family destination.

Thanks for the question JB, I hope my response/answer helped you to understand my strategy No need to thank me

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Joe...first of all, It's not just my opinion, but others opinion that the adjective "Incredible" carries more influence from a professional standpoint than than "fantastic" "amazing" or "TotallyTubular". Even 9 of my NamePros peers think so; https://www.namepros.com/threads/your-reg-of-the-day.528260/page-1277#post-6889354 A member by the name of DomainBell who has been a member here for over 10 years commented that it was the best hand reg she'd seen in the last 60 days.

So as for the "idea", i think it's a pretty good domain. Joe, there are literally dozens of Milk Associations between the US and Canada, and thousands of large dairy farms. Common sense tells me that marketing the "benefits" of milk is a no brainer from an industry perspective. From a nutritional standpoint, even the government might want to promote the industry.

Furthermore, I know if I was one of the largest milk producers in the world I'd luv the "idea" promoting/marketing my brand like this;

Incredible Milk
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Opinions are all well and good Rich, but they don't make for a great sales pitch.

Check out this article on the 30 powerful marketing adjectives:

https://econsultancy.com/powerful-adjectives-verbs-headlines/

It doesn't mention "Incredible", but there are some other words you might think of registering... MindblowingMilk, KickassMilk, or even FantasticMilk!

This other article does mention the word "Incredible" along with "Amazing" and some other words you might also want to pair with "Milk" (best to have them all and sell the whole package, right?):

https://www.verticalresponse.com/blog/the-30-magic-marketing-words/

I absolutely agree that milk stakeholders want to promote. They already do it. They already have websites and ad campaigns and PR firms and ideas on the backburner. So in the midst of all that, when you present IncredibleMilk.com to them, why are they going to suddenly go, "That's it! That's the name!" What is unique about it? What is it about that name, more than any other name, that they need for their business?

I'm busting your balls a bit here, Rich, because I really think a lot of people on the forum could benefit from learning real details of how to turn a No (or maybe) into a Yes, in the context of domain sales. So are you able to provide those details? I'm worried that you're limited to "I can sell ice to an Eskimo" kind of statements, but I'm hoping you'll prove us wrong.

JB Lions said:

Florida already has - https://www.visitflorida.com, https://www.visitflorida.org/

Most states already have official tourist sites.

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While that is a valid point, from my experience, larger institutions are willing to purchase more domains to keep their branding options open. Therefore, it shouldn't deter you from trying. Always keep your selling options open. A huge mistake many people make is to limit their audience when selling.

Joe Nichols said:

Opinions are all well and good Rich, but they don't make for a great sales pitch.

Check out this article on the 30 powerful marketing adjectives:

https://econsultancy.com/powerful-adjectives-verbs-headlines/

It doesn't mention "Incredible", but there are some other words you might think of registering... MindblowingMilk, KickassMilk, or even FantasticMilk!

This other article does mention the word "Incredible" along with "Amazing" and some other words you might also want to pair with "Milk" (best to have them all and sell the whole package, right?):

https://www.verticalresponse.com/blog/the-30-magic-marketing-words/

I absolutely agree that milk stakeholders want to promote. They already do it. They already have websites and ad campaigns and PR firms and ideas on the backburner. So in the midst of all that, when you present IncredibleMilk.com to them, why are they going to suddenly go, "That's it! That's the name!" What is unique about it? What is it about that name, more than any other name, that they need for their business?

I'm busting your balls a bit here, Rich, because I really think a lot of people on the forum could benefit from learning real details of how to turn a No (or maybe) into a Yes, in the context of domain sales. So are you able to provide those details? I'm worried that you're limited to "I can sell ice to an Eskimo" kind of statements, but I'm hoping you'll prove us wrong.

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"I'm hoping you'll prove us wrong." First off Joe, who is US? I just finished telling someone here at NamePros that my lawyer has advised to never share sales information with anyone other than with someone that has a need to know like my accountant or the IRS.I can assure you that in all the businesses I've started, named and operated in the last 50, no one and I mean no one has ever expected me to share this kind of information. So are you busting my balls?....hell yeah you are, and I don't appreciate it in the least.

I haven't sold IncredibleMilk or IncredibleFlorida yet, and exactly how I sell them assuming I will, is 100% up to me. I've shared with you some of my strategy, and if it's not good enough for you, too bad.

Who is "us" again Joe...inquiring minds would like to know. This thread is titled "Hand Reg Strategies", and it was intended to "discuss" strategies not to bust my balls Joe. You might want to take a lesson from MetBob, a Canadian friend who is contributing, not debating.

Bulloney said:

"I'm hoping you'll prove us wrong." First off Joe, who is US? I just finished telling someone here at NamePros that my lawyer has advised to never share sales information with anyone other than with someone that has a need to know like my accountant or the IRS.I can assure you that in all the businesses I've started, named and operated in the last 50, no one and I mean no one has ever expected me to share this kind of information. So are you busting my balls?....hell yeah you are, and I don't appreciate it in the least.

I haven't sold IncredibleMilk or IncredibleFlorida yet, and exactly how I sell them assuming I will, is 100% up to me. I've shared with you some of my strategy, and if it's not good enough for you, too bad.

Who is "us" again Joe...inquiring minds would like to know. This thread is titled "Hand Reg Strategies", and it was intended to "discuss" strategies not to bust my balls Joe. You might want to take a lesson from MetBob, a Canadian friend who is contributing, not debating.

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The 'incredible' keyword is bad imo.

It's a super hyped up adjective that reeks of being disingenuous.

If you talk to real people about 'incredible milk', I reckon many will look at you with scepticism.

Misses the mark on a marketing level, at least that's how I see it.

Bulloney said:

"I'm hoping you'll prove us wrong." First off Joe, who is US? I just finished telling someone here at NamePros that my lawyer has advised to never share sales information with anyone other than with someone that has a need to know like my accountant or the IRS.I can assure you that in all the businesses I've started, named and operated in the last 50, no one and I mean no one has ever expected me to share this kind of information. So are you busting my balls?....hell yeah you are, and I don't appreciate it in the least.

I haven't sold IncredibleMilk or IncredibleFlorida yet, and exactly how I sell them assuming I will, is 100% up to me. I've shared with you some of my strategy, and if it's not good enough for you, too bad.

Who is "us" again Joe...inquiring minds would like to know. This thread is titled "Hand Reg Strategies", and it was intended to "discuss" strategies not to bust my balls Joe. You might want to take a lesson from MetBob, a Canadian friend who is contributing, not debating.

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No offense intended, Rich. And if you're uncomfortable sharing dollar amounts, that's entirely your prerogative.

The difference between this business and the other ones you were involved in, is that you've opted to join a community (i.e. "us") whose primary purpose is to share information on exactly how to go about investing in and selling domains. And only providing partial information on how to do that doesn't really help anyone.

Your enthusiasm is awesome, and I do hope you find success in domain investing. I'm sure you have a lot of valuable experience to share, and to contribute to the community. I just don't think that anything you've shared in this thread can realistically be used by other investors to sell their own names.

@MetBob is awesome, I agree, and he shared some absolutely invaluable research tips earlier on. I like to think that I also contribute positively to the community by sharing my sales and the details behind why I select my names, how I sell them, and why I believe they're valuable to my buyers.

I know you have a lot of great real details that you could share as well, which the community could benefit from. Like the $10,000 investment you received for four of your hand registered names! How did you pitch the idea to your investors? What kinds of results are they expecting? What is it that sold them on your names and your ideas?

I like @Bulloney because he likes what he does, got the spirit, seems to never miss a day without working on expanding his portfolio, allocates a daily budget for his handregs, and thinks of it as a new venture. All this at 70 yrs young. I find him very inspiring to be honest. I hope I will have the energy (and apparently the budget, too) to get on new projects at that age, so one can only respect that.

What I don't seem to enjoy reading is his continuous bragging about previous, non-domaining related 'accomplishments' which mostly were in the 70s of the 1900's and I hope one day that he understands this is a totally different industry as to the ones he's had experience in, let alone a whole different millennium so his previous endeavours do not not apply at all. They might help him with his contacts but not with coming up with names. Although I understand that he only uses this when someone mocks his handregs and it gets personal. Another thing that bugs me is that it seems he has little interest in promoting his domains but is more focused in acquiring new ones. Correct me if I'm wrong but he hadn't even set up a marketplace and I guess that most, if not all, of his domains are yet to be listed anywhere. One last thing that makes me question his business model is his unwillingness to buy aftermarket names.

Now I know that this is out of topic, just like what happens to most of his threads, but I just had to let it out. Let the man enjoy his thing, even if he ends up dropping most of his regs in a year or so. He likes it and that's all what matters. It is already Saturday here so it is safe to wish everyone a lovely weekend. Cheers all!

MarketingStrategies.com said:

The 'incredible' keyword is bad imo.

It's a super hyped up adjective that reeks of being disingenuous.

If you talk to real people about 'incredible milk', I reckon many will look at you with scepticism.

Misses the mark on a marketing level, at least that's how I see it.

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That's your opinion and I have mine. If you didn't object to everything i say, you might have some credibility, but your agenda speaks volumes

Bulloney said:

That's your opinion and I have mine. If you didn't object to everything i say, you might have some credibility, but your agenda speaks volumes

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Maybe I'm the one with credibility and you are the pretender.

On this topic, I have this awesome idea for square tires. I'll give you '30%' of my 'business' and you can go pitch it to your contacts.

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Joe Nichols said:

No offense intended, Rich. And if you're uncomfortable sharing dollar amounts, that's entirely your prerogative.

The difference between this business and the other ones you were involved in, is that you've opted to join a community (i.e. "us") whose primary purpose is to share information on exactly how to go about investing in and selling domains. And only providing partial information on how to do that doesn't really help anyone.

Your enthusiasm is awesome, and I do hope you find success in domain investing. I'm sure you have a lot of valuable experience to share, and to contribute to the community. I just don't think that anything you've shared in this thread can realistically be used by other investors to sell their own names.

@MetBob is awesome, I agree, and he shared some absolutely invaluable research tips earlier on. I like to think that I also contribute positively to the community by sharing my sales and the details behind why I select my names, how I sell them, and why I believe they're valuable to my buyers.

I know you have a lot of great real details that you could share as well, which the community could benefit from. Like the $10,000 investment you received for four of your hand registered names! How did you pitch the idea to your investors? What kinds of results are they expecting? What is it that sold them on your names and your ideas?

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There you go again Joe...I started this thread titled "Hand Reg Strategies" NOT "Sales Strategies by Bulloney". I trust you know the difference?

Bulloney said:

There you go again Joe...I started this thread titled "Hand Reg Strategies" NOT "Sales Strategies by Bulloney". I trust you know the difference?

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I believe any good hand reg strategy should include a strategy for how you're going to sell the names after you register them. That's why you're buying the names in the first place. You disagree?

Bulloney said:

Brad...while you've been bashing, I've been selling.Keep wasting your time here....it speaks VOLUMES

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There is a difference between "selling" and actually making a sale. I guess all your sales must be subject to NDA

Any hand reg strategy should include how to buy and how to make sales.
You need a proof of concept. Right now you are just collecting domains.

Brad

There are 4,438 .COM domains starting with "incredible" that are available on ExpiredDomains list. That does not include all of the "incredible" domains nobody ever bothered to register before.

I would suggest everyone run out and buy some of them before they are all gone.

ps: I cannot find ANY history on IncredibleMilk.com (someone correct me if I am wrong). So if nobody reg'd it in the past 35 years, why is it so valuable today ? Did milk change ? Is it really incredible ?

I like the name a lot
I would probably like to brand my diary with that Incredible touch

but I am not sure if I would pay you 4 or 5 figures for it

the market is at least narrow
and depending on a lot of potential futures that might never come

so the idea is good
but not unique
and you can waste a lot of money have these kind of strategies

but on the other hand
I just sold a domain
I registered 1999

so patience is key

( but my domain was much better )

Bulloney said:

JB, while we all know your agenda, I'll take a second to humor you Do you have a clue how many different entities promote Florida Tourism? Rather than guess maybe you might want to check this out; https://www.fadmo.org/ . It's the Florida Association of Destination Marketing Organizations.of which there are hundreds of members. And this doesn't include the literally thousands of travel agencies around the world that promote Florida as a family destination.

Thanks for the question JB, I hope my response/answer helped you to understand my strategy No need to thank me

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My agenda is to have less forum spamming, people starting threads under the guise of discussion just to promote their domains, I thought that was clear?

Then you link to a page and tell me they have hundreds of members, and? They already have a site. Visit Florida is better than your domain. They put millions behind marketing that site. They have 0 reason for your hand reg domain.

Bulloney said:

There you go again Joe...I started this thread titled "Hand Reg Strategies" NOT "Sales Strategies by Bulloney". I trust you know the difference?

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And that, is absolutely ridiculous. That makes no sense whatsoever. Hence, your 0 sales. You reg domains without selling them on your mind?

frank-germany said:

I like the name a lot
I would probably like to brand my diary with that Incredible touch

but I am not sure if I would pay you 4 or 5 figures for it

the market is at least narrow
and depending on a lot of potential futures that might never come

so the idea is good
but not unique
and you can waste a lot of money have these kind of strategies

but on the other hand
I just sold a domain
I registered 1999

so patience is key

( but my domain was much better )

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Frank...you said about IncredibleMilk..."I like that name a lot" and then went on to say, "so the idea is good but not unique" Thanks for that. I own other "Incredible" names as well. For example I own IncredibleCure, and If you were to check Namebio you would see where IncredibleCare sold for $2,200 in November of 2017. This was after some poor soul sold it for $110 just days before it was sold for $2,200. My point here is, IncredibleCure is "comparable" to IncredibleCare, and that like IncredibleMilk has potential too.

Here's the Namebio link that shows the transaction I was referring to.

Thanks for your input Frank