The LLL.com sales report & discussion thread

While Westerners often pass by X,J,Q,Z these are letters that are very common in acronyms in Asian languages (and also surprisingly, the German market). Snoop, if you so boldly state "the minimum is sub $3000" why not say "reg fee" then? I don't see much difference in that respect, when there have not been any such sales.

Acroplex said:

I don't see much difference in that respect, when there have not been any such sales.

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There was one a month ago,

QBX.COM $2950

I think the only reason we are yet to see more is we haven't seen many low quality examples sell at auction lately.

Snoop, I discussed QBX already; it's a domain that hit Namejet by means of its owner listing it for sale (yes, NJ allows this to specific applicants). In that respect, it was a dumb move by its now former owner and by no means indicative of what LLL .com's sell for. I believe I also mentioned XMG.com was sold for $12,000 by me personally; not bad for "X" being a "bad" letter.

Acroplex said:

Snoop, I discussed QBX already; it's a domain that hit Namejet by means of its owner listing it for sale (yes, NJ allows this to specific applicants). In that respect, it was a dumb move by its now former owner and by no means indicative of what LLL .com's sell for. I believe I also mentioned XMG.com was sold for $12,000 by me personally; not bad for "X" being a "bad" letter.

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There is always some excuse, don't sell on Namejet, don't sell on Ebay.......next it will be don't sell on Sedo, don't sell on forums.

The fact is we've seen one sale below $3000 lately and better than bottom combinations like axj.com are getting close. In my view it is only a matter of time before we see more.

Acroplex said:

Snoop, I discussed QBX already; it's a domain that hit Namejet by means of its owner listing it for sale (yes, NJ allows this to specific applicants).

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just a lateral matter but I think your mistaken regarding this.

this was not a case of the owner listing the domain for sale (like some scammers that have been flooding NJ pre-release lists with the agreement of NJ). the domain was expired, "lost" and put on Hold in the registry. Network Solutions seems to have screwed it up when moving it to NameJet, something that has happen other times before.

regards,
tonecas

If you put your house for sale with no reserve for $1 it will also sell. There are *no* other recorded examples of such prices.

I also believe the moon will eventually be colonized but it will take at least 200 years.

snoop said:

There is always some excuse, don't sell on Namejet, don't sell on Ebay.......next it will be don't sell on Sedo, don't sell on forums.

The fact is we've seen one sale below $3000 lately and better than bottom combinations like axj.com are getting close. In my view it is only a matter of time before we see more.

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It was exactly the same case:

On 9/25 the owner is [email protected] and the domain is not expired.

On 9/28 it enters the artificial "pending renewal or deletion" state used to force domains into the fake expiration mode and it's placed on NJ's auctions.

On 10/12 owner changes to the person who won the auction.

The problem with such trick auctions is that there is no built momentum for those that follow such expirations to participate; this went on a short notice and as such not many participated.

tonecas said:

just a lateral matter but I think your mistaken regarding this.

this was not a case of the owner listing the domain for sale (like some scammers that have been flooding NJ pre-release lists with the agreement of NJ). the domain was expired, "lost" and put on Hold in the registry. Network Solutions seems to have screwed it up when moving it to NameJet, something that has happen other times before.

regards,
tonecas

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Acroplex said:

If you put your house for sale with no reserve for $1 it will also sell. There are *no* other recorded examples of such prices.

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These are auctions situations, there is competition, not someone selling something at a fixed price.

There is always some excuse when a new low hits, usually about the venue or some other outlier argument, but the fact is other auctions are going just as badly, like axj.com.

I think in a couple of months we'll have more sub $3000 sales and then the "debate" about the minimum will move on to some new, lower price point.

You seem to be unwilling to understand the particulars of the QBX.com auction. It's like selling your Porsche on a Sunday car tent and only inviting friends and family.

The debate is whether reseller prices make sense anymore. The truth is, they don't because the overall economy has changed the cashflow of many so-called "domain flippers". Those that do invest, go for the long haul. Obviously, it's best to make careful investments and be picky; I've a LLL .com that makes up to $20 daily just parked.

snoop said:

These are auctions situations, there is competition, not someone selling something at a fixed price.

There is always some excuse when a new low hits, usually about the venue or some other outlier argument, but the fact is other auctions are going just as badly, like axj.com.

I think in a couple of months we'll have more sub $3000 sales and then the "debate" about the minimum will move on to some new, lower price point.

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Acroplex said:

The debate is whether reseller prices make sense anymore. The truth is, they don't because the overall economy has changed the cashflow of many so-called "domain flippers".

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Prices are what they are. To say a price doesn't make sense doesn't mean much because that is what people are paying for these names. Personally I think the above is "denial".

Show me a trend and then we can discuss "denial". The fact is not only you're not providing such stats that describe a trend, but you're grasping at straws in order to support your obvious and unnatural bias against LLL .com domain pricing.

The mean - not average - price for LLL .com domains is quite high; if you're not sure how to compute it, let me know and I will demonstrate.

snoop said:

Prices are what they are. To say a price doesn't make sense doesn't mean much because that is what people are paying for these names. Personally I think the above is "denial".

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Acroplex said:

Show me a trend and then we can discuss "denial". The fact is not only you're not providing such stats that describe a trend, but you're grasping at straws in order to support your obvious and unnatural bias against LLL .com domain pricing.

The mean - not average - price for LLL .com domains is quite high; if you're not sure how to compute it, let me know and I will demonstrate.

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The trend started 2 and a half years ago when LLL.com first started falling,

http://www.namepros.com/429599-lll-com-sales-report-evaluation-thread-23.html

There has been some ups and downs on the way but I think the market now is the lowest it has been since the falls started.

snoop said:

There has been some ups and downs on the way but I think the market now is the lowest it has been since the falls started.

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If you calculated the mean average then and now, you'd find no such fall; in fact, you'd see a steady rise in the price that LLL .com's can fetch in the open market. There are now more venues to sell at, more ways to promote sales and the sellers are wiser. Again, using the lows or highs of a series of sales isn't how the mean average is calculated. Otherwise, if you can use QBX.com to suit your case for an extreme low, I can use ZIP.com's sale that commanded $1,058,830 for the same purpose.

Hi,
was QBX listed as pre-release or deleted?

cache said:

Hi,
was QBX listed as pre-release or deleted?

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Artificial pre-release. The owner put it for sale on NJ as an "expired" domain (while it wasn't). It's a controversial issue.

bfo(dot)com - 23,000 USD

sedo

:kickass:

Snoop, the basic difference between you and people who are actually dealing with lll.com / llll.com's even nowdays is that you pop in the forum every once in a while, you pick one sale and call it the "new minimum", while who are actively buying and selling are examining data on a daily base. I'm actually surprised you have not yet jumped in the llll.com thread telling the new low is $60 of the premium llll.com's (Pool sale). Domainers in the know will ignore this data, as the average prices are slowly increasing since months (see Namejet sales). You are still trying to refer to the good old times where supposedly the "minimum price" of an llll.com was $300 or $350 even. You are however ignoring the fact that even that time people were able to buy well below this "minimum". Please show more sales in the $3000-$3400 range of lll.com's that went in public auctions, I'm eagerly waiting. Otherwise if you are interested in the actual market try to research it a bit more, before jumping to such conclusions.
Go to a little hidden shop in Deira (Dubai) and buy gold under the market value and call it the "new low" is the same as what you are doing now with lll.com's. I would be happy to buy lll.com's for $2900 and premium llll.com's for $60-90.

VQW.COM
$3,500
sedo

There you go, absolute bottom quality lll.com, 3.5k.

tetrapak said:

There you go, absolute bottom quality lll.com, 3.5k.

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yep, they dont get much worse than that.. :bah:

tetrapak said:

Snoop, the basic difference between you and people who are actually dealing with lll.com / llll.com's even nowdays is that you pop in the forum every once in a while, you pick one sale and call it the "new minimum", while who are actively buying and selling are examining data on a daily base.

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Minimum = minimum. Now if one sold for $500 that would be an outlier but we've got numerous sales and auctions finishing around $3k.

tetrapak said:

I'm actually surprised you have not yet jumped in the llll.com thread telling the new low is $60 of the premium llll.com's (Pool sale).

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I don't think it needs me to say that.

tetrapak said:

You are still trying to refer to the good old times where supposedly the "minimum price" of an llll.com was $300 or $350 even.

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???

tetrapak said:

Please show more sales in the $3000-$3400 range of lll.com's that went in public auctions, I'm eagerly waiting.

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Another one,

BZK.com $3,300

If you look through recent sales in this thread (or where auctions are reported as finished) there is 3 now at that level, that is a reasonable chunk of what has been reported.

tetrapak said:

I would be happy to buy lll.com's for $2900 and premium llll.com's for $60-90.

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People said this right through the downturn at different price levels, it doesn't mean much. Firstly they probably won't buy, they'll just talk about how the would have bought. Secondly even if they do buy that isn't going to change the market unless they have an unlimited budget.

Please post the arithmetic (*chuckle*) mean of the sales or I will be equally tempted to post how ZIP.com went for a million dollars.

Acroplex said:

Please post the arithmetic (*chuckle*) mean of the sales or I will be equally tempted to post how ZIP.com went for a million dollars.

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It sold at the Traffic live auction.

Yes, and your point is?

Hi,

Acroplex said:

It was exactly the same case:

On 9/25 the owner is [email protected] and the domain is not expired.

On 9/28 it enters the artificial "pending renewal or deletion" state used to force domains into the fake expiration mode and it's placed on NJ's auctions.

On 10/12 owner changes to the person who won the auction.

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you are forgetting the HOLD status on the domain set since at least the beginning of the year. domaintools doesn't show all the information

the owner was no longer accessible and the domain was put on HOLD for erroneous WHOIS information.

there is no artificial "pending renewal or deletion" state... there is a renew grace period given by registrars and an automatic renew made by the registrar according to registry and ICANN rules. during a timespan that can reach 42 days the domain is renewed by the registrar to give a last chance for the owner to renew it - going to redemption period, and pending deletion, if its not renewed or sold by the registrar.

Namejet however uses "fake expirations" to list domains in their lists. Not to mention the fake bids that they place and let others place, something that puzzles me how they haven't receive yet a lawsuit.

This was not the case with QBX.COM which was moved to auction by a clear glitch on their system, and on what only entered people that had placed a bid before. To reinforce this is the fact that the domain was even placed on redemption period after the auction ended. they screwed the things up big time.

in any case, the new minimum is $2,950 :P

regards,
tonecas

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tetrapak said:

I would be happy to buy lll.com's for $2900 and premium llll.com's for $60-90.

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ups ... LLLL.COM quad-premium are selling for $60-$90 already and are preparing to crack bellow that value

it "only" needs another contraction in the economy next year.

regards,
tonecas

NJ probably stole that domain from the owner anyway like they usually do when they mess something up. The owner would have gotten $0 so that must be the new minimum