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The LLL.com sales report & discussion thread

Discussion in '"Short" Domain Discussion' started by italiandragon, Feb 8, 2008.

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  1. italiandragon

    italiandragon Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    We need this one too guys :)

    This guide will also help LLLL.com holders to understand more the value of their 4 letters .com based on how expensive the similar 3 letters .com are.

    From:

    http://3character.com/priceguide.html

    Pricing Guide for 3-Letter (Composed Of Letters Only) Domains:

    Current Observed Minimum Wholesale Price (regardless of letter combo) as of February 1, 2008:

    3-Letter .com - $6700 (+ $300 since January 1, 2008 report)

    But I consider their guide a bit old since they are not taking in consideration the emergenging countries that appreciate other letters and as we have run a poll here several times lately, the majority of people consider the letters U
    and W to be Premium letters.

    Let`s have a look at some recent LLL.com sales as reported from NameBio.com :


    nak.com $27,135 2007-12-22 SEDO.com
    nyz.com $10,605 2007-12-19 tdnam
    utw.com $10,100 2007-12-10 SEDO.com
    via.com $157,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
    cgf.com $14,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
    vkx.com $6,200 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
    mje.com $10,734 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
    okf.com $8,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
    our.com $60,000 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
    kxr.com $7,101 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
    lhg.com $13,613 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
    wae.com $10,099 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
    hya.com $7,499 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
    yrd.com $9,100 2007-12-05 SEDO.com
    vfk.com $15,750 2007-11-29 AfterNic.com
    qee.com $10,882 2007-11-27 SEDO.com
     
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    Average sale price of those is around: $23700
    If you remove the top 2 it's still around $11500

    Now, dividing this we have:

    23700/26 = $911
    11500/26 = $442

    Not bad for average prices... :)
     
  3. Spade

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    The wholesale pricing is quickly shooting up. I think your going to be hardpressed
    to find an LLL.com under 7.5 right now
     
  4. dag

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    Do you see the LLLL.com frenzy boosting LLL.com prices?
     
  5. Pred

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    thanks Dragon. good idea for thread

    think is a great reference for L-L-L.com holders to realise and compare what they're sitting on.

    my mum used to say she was sitting on a fortune
    :hehe: :sold:
     
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    Oh, your mom was a domainer too? ;)

    Seriously, though...you're right. This thread will be a great reference for L-L-L.com investors as well...good job, Lorenzo!
     
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    Yes and No. LLL.com's have steadily been on the rise, regardless of LLLL.com's - if anything LLLL.com's give investors a greater range of niches to choose from. LLL.com growth has been solid for years, one of the safest investments in domaining (IMHO). I think that they will continue to see solid growth each month, and will hit 10k min wholesale pricing midway or just after that, this year...

    (thats make my 2,800 investment in 2006, a nice return in 08)

    Justin
     
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    Good points all around. Sure do wish I'd gotten into domaining when I'd first given it any thought at all, back in the mid-'90s! :(
     
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    Here are my LLL.com sales from the past few weeks:

    FBS & YRJ - $25,000
    NIQ - $8,750
    YXL - $7,500
    RVX - $7,500
    KMX - $7,200
    QRQ - $7,000

    Here are some of my sales from December and January:

    PPX - $10,000
    WPK - $7,500
    HVW - $6,700

    If memory serves the min wholesale reported on 3character.com for LLL.coms was about $5k in October. In a little over four months it has jumped over $1.5k which is pretty crazy if you ask me. These will always be a solid investment if you have deep enough pockets.
     
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  10. dag

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    Okay, I've got a question for you: did you get all those LLLs back when they were still available at an affordable price, much as people are doing now with the LLLLs and L-L-Ls, or have you been buying those up as you go along?

    If it's the former, congratulations on being in on it when the timing was right!


     
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    Did a little sorting, a' la Reece:
    Words, removed from consideration: via.com, our.com
    also removed an outlier: nak.com $27,135 (pronouncable - or short for naked?).

    Tri-premium:
    cgf.com $14,500
    lhg.com $13,613

    one semi-premium:
    okf.com $8,500
    mje.com $10,734
    wae.com $10,099
    hya.com $7,499
    yrd.com $9,100

    One non-premium:
    qee.com $10,882

    Two semi-premium:
    utw.com $10,100
    vfk.com $15,750

    one semi-premium, one non-premium:
    nyz.com $10,605
    kxr.com $7,101

    Three semi-premium or worse:
    vkx.com $6,200

    Granted this is a small sample - and we must remember that the percentage of all-premium LLLLs is roughly 1/3 less than that of all premium LLLs (one more letter to multiply, a third of which are non-premium).

    Still, while there is a general increase of value as letter quality increases, it is stunning to me how small that difference is, given the 8:1 ratio of all premium to anti-premium LLLL prices.

    Will demand for "any" LLLL outweigh demand for the "best" LLLL?
    Are anti-premiums really the best investment?

    Great thread idea, we need to consider these kinds of things.
     
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    Considering the number of anti-premiums available, I'd say that probably you are right, as supply is really very short, like vowels, now the question is:

    Are we calling Premiums to REAL premiums, or we need to start dividing the Premium letters in 2 categories?

    I consider anti-premiums: Q, W, X, Y, Z (same number as vowels)
    Semi-Premiums: J, K, U, V
    And then all the others, so scarcity will happen on the bad side of the alphabet, specially when China wakes up... :imho:
     
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    premium is just premium.
     
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    First of all you need to find out that W isn't anti-premium. Moreover many domainers consider it as premium and there certain points to do it.
     
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    totally agree.

    for those domainers that think w isn't 'premium' lol, think again
     
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    W not premium? NWO,com on Sedo would beg to differ!

    W has some very strong acronym potential and in this case, it's somewhat obvious why the bid is so high.

     
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    Yeah OK, I guess I have messed up... it was 6 a.m., though I don't think W is premium, maybe semi premium ;) , in any case the math won't change a lot there.
     
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    Those are great datas but you listed:

    mje.com $10,734

    as a triple premium which it`s not as J is not a top one....I find U & W being more more used in acronyms than J.

    I think it`s useful to bring back the letter frequency in several languages page:

    http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=914452

    E 12.4%
    T 8.9%
    A 8.0%
    O 7.6%
    N 7.0%
    I 6.7%
    H 6.5%
    S 6.2%
    R 6.1%
    D 4.6%
    L 3.6%
    U 2.7%
    M 2.5%
    W 2.3%
    C 2.2%
    F 2.2%
    G 2.0%
    Y 2.0%
    P 1.6%
    B 1.3%
    V 0.8%
    K 0.7%
    Q 0.1%
    X 0.1%
    J 0.1%
    Z 0.0%




    As you can see, even in English , J is the 25th most used letter....only in front of the Z....


    Also, since the above statistics is not referred to acronyms but to the use of letters in different languages, I think it may be useful to have a look at this survey (despite old , 2002) regarding the use of letters in 4 letters acronyms :


    http://www.mcgees.org/fourletterdomains.html


    By combining the two , we can get some useful info.
     
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    An important thing to keep in mind, however, is that when "j" appears in words in the English language, it's far more likely to appear at the beginning of a word, whereas, "x," for example, is usually within a word.

    Therefore, for the purposes of acronyms, "j" should be much higher on the list than hanging out down there with "x."

    You can see that's why it doesn't show up at the bottom in the "least used" acronym section in your second link.
     
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    italiandragon Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    True :)
     
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    VERY interesting, and something that should always be kept in mind with acronyms:

    I dug around the Internet and found this chart, analyzing the initial letters of words, passwords (which for our purposes, we can ignore), and common English names.

    Take a look at where the "J" is on English names! And first/last names are very commonly part of business acronyms...

    [​IMG]
     
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    Interesting indeed, thanks!
     
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    J should not have been in the all-premium collection, which makes the chart a bit more elegant. Surprised that nobody has remarked on the point that I was making - that all-premium LLLs are not anywhere near as much more valuable than antipremiums compared to LLLLs.

    I have felt for a long time that "J" was under-appreciated, I put it along with K as second to W in the semi-premiums - and better than "U". But I think it is a continium for the entire alphabet, not a simple premium/semi-premium/anti-premium divide. And all four letters count, not just the worst - the worst letter is more of a bottleneck, limiting the acronym use, but I challenge those who have a number of LLLLs to check their stats - those domains that include an "S" will, more often than not, show more traffic.
     
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    exactly. those who say otherwise really look stupid imo

    they can point stats, roll out flowcharts rofl.

    on top of a few other thousand other words:


    World Wide Web Ring any bells? :sold:

    to have a W in any configuration is so damned handy, if only for world and web.

    obviously the countless other words in the dictionary.

    also any letter as the first letter is cool as for geo, it can relate to any city or country on the planet, which all start with every letter. sure some start with more chance of an a than an x for example, but you get what im trying to say

    i too dont like x much, but 'w'???. hilarious :sold: :sold: :sold:
     

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