news Dan.com to increase comission from 9% to 15% effective Feb 1st 2023

[MadAboutDomains]

Just received this email from Dan.com about commission increases (snippet of email):

Thoughts?

 

[Ostrados]

Can you email me - [email protected] with the domain(s) you've tested this with?

By the way there are many other bad things in Afternic BIN landers, here are few:


1- No camel case for domain names:

Why I can't show MyDomainName.com instead of mydomainname? Is it so hard to implement?


2- Search field shows up at checkout (bad)

3- Suggested cheap Alternative at checkout

So before you ask us to use your landers or else we pay 25% please first fix your landers and make them worth it.

And regarding DAN, for me it is now less desirable option because I will now Pay 15% + 21% VAT (EU) so I will pay 18.2% for just pointing my traffic to a landing page and using your escrow service!!

 

[boker]

Bodis and Sedo are other options... I've had decent success with both. But under $5k, seems like it may be 15%, so smaller sales may stay with GD

Sedo Mls has almost exactly the same registrars as afternic excluding goddady ( for afternic) and namecheap (for sedo). So using Sedo mls you are paying a 10% commission and if you list your domains 25% higher at afternic, they will be listed at godaddy as well and your domain will be on most registrars path as well. This should be the best option as I see it.

 

[davidc1]

Sedo Mls has almost exactly the same registrars as afternic excluding goddady ( for afternic) and namecheap (for sedo). So using Sedo mls you are paying a 10% commission and if you list your domains 25% higher at afternic, they will be listed at godaddy as well and your domain will be on most registrars path as well. This should be the best option as I see it.

10% on sedo is only for lander's sales.

 

[NigelD]

This increase is way over the top. We've been with dan for a couple of years. Good service and wouldn't want to move domains away - but seriously considering this now. We've got a decent sized portfolio and moved to dan from sedo (due mainly to dan's low commission rates). But sedo looks cheapest again if we apply BINs to all our portfolio. I'd urge GoDaddy staff to think again.

 

[Dane]

By the way there are many other bad things in Afternic BIN landers, here are few:


1- No camel case for domain names:

Why I can't show MyDomainName.com instead of mydomainname? Is it so hard to implement?


2- Search field shows up at checkout (bad)

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3- Suggested cheap Alternative at checkout

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So before you ask us to use your landers or else we pay 25% please first fix your landers and make them worth it.

And regarding DAN, for me it is now less desirable option because I will now Pay 15% + 21% VAT (EU) so I will pay 18.2% for just pointing my traffic to a landing page and using your escrow service!!

1. Agreed.

2. Agreed.

3. Agreed.

 

[bmugford]

By the way there are many other bad things in Afternic BIN landers, here are few:


1- No camel case for domain names:

Why I can't show MyDomainName.com instead of mydomainname? Is it so hard to implement?


2- Search field shows up at checkout (bad)

Show attachment 229784


3- Suggested cheap Alternative at checkout

Show attachment 229785

So before you ask us to use your landers or else we pay 25% please first fix your landers and make them worth it.

And regarding DAN, for me it is now less desirable option because I will now Pay 15% + 21% VAT (EU) so I will pay 18.2% for just pointing my traffic to a landing page and using your escrow service!!

These are all issues I have brought up in the past, among others.

How about Afternic's terrible search engine? Unlike most other websites, you can't even narrow down based on other factors.

For instance maybe you want to see .COM that are (12) letters or less that start with a certain word, or are a certain format.

Again, what new and amazing thing is GoDaddy introducing to justify these fees?
The fees go up, the system stays the same.

Brad

 

[boker]

10% on sedo is only for lander's sales.

You are right, so the option will be to use sedo landers and standard listings at afternic fast transfer, for prices 25% higher, so you keep the low commission for landers and use the registrars path as well, including afternic, godaddy. Namecheap new project could be a good option, after we will get the final details.

 

[Dane]

Is this 5% fee still valid? Or not?

Bring your own lead
Brought your own lead? In that case, we only charge a fixed 5% fee per sale

 

[bmugford]

Is this 5% fee still valid? Or not?

Bring your own lead
Brought your own lead? In that case, we only charge a fixed 5% fee per sale

Yeah, though I would not expect that to last.

Brad

 

[davidc1]

You are right, so the option will be to use sedo landers and listings at afternic fast transfer, for 25% higher, so like this keep the low commission for landers and use the registrars path as well, including afternic, godaddy. Namecheap new project could be a good option, after we will get the final details.

depends the % of sales made on afternic.
If you sell more from afternic than for landers the best is dan or afternic landers...
If not it could be better to use a third part for landers (sedo or daaz maybe) + godaddy auctions + sedo mls

 

[boker]

depends the % of sales made on afternic.
If you sell more from afternic than for landers the best is dan or afternic landers...
If not it could be better to use a third part for landers (sedo or daaz maybe) + godaddy auctions + sedo mls

Afternic and godaddy never worked properly for me, maybe it's because 90% of my buyers are from Europe. Lots of low offers and late payments.

 

[Younginn]

I bet guys from godaddy / dan are reading this now...
guessing, what they might do.

I'm pretty sure they anticipated us not being happy about it and hate the feeling corporate sees it as just white noise complaining. It feels like they don't expect majority of us to create our own path and at the end of the day, they're right to not worry if all the dissatisfaction doesn't dent their bottom line.

Those that stay will pay a higher fee. Those that move out but want to stay in their ecosystem will pay an even higher fee (25%!). They structured it where everyone will pay a higher fee, no matter what, in their infrastructure. The cost gets passed down to investors and buyers and GD felt big enough to corner everyone.

So what happens if as a collective we stay in this predicament? What's to stop them from asking 35% or 40% of future sales once they have majority of us cushioned in?

They're not stupid. They probably paid someone a lot of money to factor in their loss of customers and everything else.

Dan recieved over 600 organic traffic from my domains in the past 4 days. All my offers were from organic inbounds. The longer I stay, the more data/buyers/sellers they're going to collect until one day I won't even have the option to move out. That's what I'm afraid of

 

[Dane]

Dan recieved over 600 organic traffic from my domains in the past 4 days. All my offers were from organic inbounds.

Do you show a BIN price + Make Offer? Or just Make Offer? Or ??

 

[phaethon]

I don't think it's as bad as it seems based on the reaction here. 99% of sales should be under 5K, so the 15% is better. With regards to the AN lander use, I think it harms only those who make money from parking? Very few again and it's no big deal to increase your prices a bit.
In our era of skyrocketing online scams, GoDaddy offers trust and trust is expensive.

 

[Younginn]

Do you show a BIN price + Make Offer? Or just Make Offer? Or ??

98% of my domains are set as Make Offer lol

But I should setup BIN for lower priced ones for a quicker sale.

 

[brainland]

@Epik.com could have been one of the beneficiary of this hikes and also be one of the top 3 domainers hub but they are not futuristic and lack good management.

Epik is dead.

Best for us is to build and point to our personal landers, control everything (leads, traffic, brand) and then import leads to any favorite escrow platform.

Always remember, the most important thing is how great your domain names are, everything else is secondary.

 

[3sixty]

Afternic are now charging you 25% for bringing you the customer exclusively through their distributuion network.

So just use your own landers, manage your own leads and escrow, while asking 15-25% more through the convenience of the distributuion network if your lead prefers that.

A smart buyer will try to go direct if notice the price is less or that they can try to nego without the commish.

Nobody said you have to give your share to the monopoly.

 

[Dane]

How is Escrow.com these days? I used them exclusively for many years way back when... but after they got bought things became too complicated and difficult, especially for the buyer. So I stopped using them. Have things changed in the past few years, Or are they still complicated and difficult to use?

 

[AEProgram]

If something works for you don't talk as this will happen to everybody. I didn't sold a domainin the last 2 years at godaddy and 1 year at afternic, but I've sold tens of domains a year in the meantime. 90% of european end users don't care about godaddy and I will think is somewhat the same in most countries, excluding 4-5 of them. Do you really think that a buyer from China thinks about godaddy when buys a domain. Domainers can raise the prices at godaddy/ afternic/dan and keep low prices to their own landers or at sedo/efty and others. Also, you can use make offer at godaddy family, to make sure that you are getting higher prices.

now that you got done speaking from emotion, please calm down and think about reality. Almost all sales being reported on here are made ad afternic and after that dan.

If I have a choice between charging more for domains to compensate for the fee increase, or removing my names from AN, I choose to up the price.

 

[Younginn]

I don't think it's as bad as it seems. With regards to lander exclusivity, I think it harms only those who make money from parking?
In our era of skyrocketing online scams, GoDaddy offers trust and trust is expensive.

I just feel like a toad in a boiling water when dealing with GD Even in the early domain registering days, GD was the worse with their unnecessary upsells and pricing. GD doesn't offer trust. They just spent the most in marketing to get their name known.

They're the most predatory registrar! Always overcharging people from their lack of awareness.

 

[ET76]

Suppose I point my domains to Afternic nameservers but it sold on the their network, so the commission will be 25% instead 15%?

 

[Rhinnnn]

Suppose I point my domains to Afternic nameservers but it sold on the their network, so the commission will be 25% instead 15%?

Everything that points to a GoDaddy nameserver (Afternic, DAN, Uniregistry, etc) qualifies for the 15% flat commission, regardless of how the sale is made (directly from the lander, via the distribution network, doesn't matter).

The 25% commission is only for domains that are listed on Afternic or DAN but have nameservers pointed to something unrelated to GoDaddy.

 

[boker]

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now that you got done speaking from emotion, please calm down and think about reality. Almost all sales being reported on here are made ad afternic and after that dan.

If I have a choice between charging more for domains to compensate for the fee increase, or removing my names from AN, I choose to up the price.

It's not emotion, when you sell more through paypal, sedo, escrow, dan, (landers) compared with afternic/godaddy, that's not emotion, that's reality. Do you have an idea what % of the total are the namepros reports? We are not even talking about afternic fan boys, reporting just to pump afternic numbers. A better view of reality will be to check the afternic turnover at the end of the year and compare them to sedo, dan or others and you will be surprised. Again, between casual reports and reality is a big difference.

 

[Dane]

Hmmm. Yesterday, when this Dan thing was announced, I logged into my Afternic account and changed ALL prices (on ALL names) to "Make Offer" (without showing any price). Today, Afternic sent me price requests for 2 different names. The emails say: "Price Requested on your AfternicDLS Domain" and "we require that every domain have a Floor Price and Buy Now Price within 48 hours of receiving a sales lead."

I'm confused. If I set the names as "Make an Offer", why would I have to submit a price? Shouldn't the buyer have to submit an offer?

Also, would it be different if I enabled Afternic's Distribution Network from within my Dan.com account, instead of going directly through Afternic? Or would it be exactly the same?

 

[Sperry8]

Everything that points to a GoDaddy nameserver (Afternic, DAN, Uniregistry, etc) qualifies for the 15% flat commission, regardless of how the sale is made (directly from the lander, via the distribution network, doesn't matter).

The 25% commission is only for domains that are listed on Afternic or DAN but have nameservers pointed to something unrelated to GoDaddy.

So how do they know where it's pointed? For example, if one points nameservers to Sedo and it sells there... how would GD take 25%? I just transfer my name manually after Sedo gets the money in escrow. Same goes for other sites where I use Escrow.com for payment. I'm unclear when this 25% scenario comes into play. Can you give an example or two?