news Dan.com to increase comission from 9% to 15% effective Feb 1st 2023

[MadAboutDomains]

Just received this email from Dan.com about commission increases (snippet of email):

Thoughts?

 

[laur77]

Just thinking that domain names and valuations are not an exact science and it is hard to price domains as is. I doubt that a 7% increase in the lower price ranges (4 figures) would change that much?

It’s 7% increase is you redirect your domains traffic to them, if not, it would be a 16% increase.

Their business model is based, mainly, on domainers. Our investment is their main asset and their main income funnel.

In this situation my rhetorical question is: do I want to increase, enforced, and after being treated like a stupid (see GD “explanation” that the commission increase is beneficial to me), the value of GoDaddy business by giving them awareness, more business value, etc., with my domains traffic and finally alimenting with more funds this kind of doing business or do I prefer to FT off too and move cards, to determine in the future a similar player to think twice before trying to screw me on my money, like Dan aka GD is trying to do right now?

 

[Rhinnnn]

GD Dan didn’t solve the problem of a half million + listings by frontrunners . wonder what is going to happen when the legit sellers point DNs to Dan NS… and then start sending 100s of thousands of request for removal-listing.

DAN has an automated ownership verification system -- if you add a specific third nameserver or TXT record to your domains and then upload them to DAN, they're automatically moved to your account if someone else already has them listed.

 

[Lox]

DAN has an automated ownership verification system -- if you add a specific third nameserver or TXT record to your domains and then upload them to DAN, they're automatically moved to your account if someone else already has them listed.

Doesn’t work properly… tested

 

[Rhinnnn]

Doesn’t work properly… tested

Weird, it worked every time for me. The propagation of nameserver or TXT record changes might take a while (depending on registrar) so I always wait 15-20 minutes after doing it, and only then add my domains to DAN.

 

[Lox]

Weird, it worked every time for me. The propagation of nameserver or TXT record changes might take a while (depending on registrar) so I always wait 15-20 minutes after doing it, and only then add my domains to DAN.

DNs listed by frontrunners is the problem.

 

[markfromslo]

DAN has an automated ownership verification system -- if you add a specific third nameserver or TXT record to your domains and then upload them to DAN, they're automatically moved to your account if someone else already has them listed.

I use this and it works great. Afternic still requires you to contact them for removal--I've hounded them about simply adding the same NS ownership check at Afternic. Since Afternic and Dan are together now, why isn't Afternic using it too? Oh, maybe they don't have any developers on staff, which seems possible given the state of their website.

And by the way, Dan's verification system is SO MUCH better than Sedo's which requires to to change the nameservers to theirs "for a few days" and then change them back to what you want. With Dan, you simply add a TXT record. And it's instant.

 

[chandldj]

Moved my names to Daaz.com

 

[immmi]

I propose to set up a DomainsDAO, only serve domainers.

 

[alcy]

come on what are u born last nite...just use bodis lander.. with or without ads... yer call... then add lead on dan at 5percent... it's how smart folk did it...and especially now. the dumb ones will pay 25p.

 

[devma]

It's not a problem, we can set up our own server then forward buyers to Escrow or a similar services.

 

[trap3]

Beautifully selective numbers used in the email they sent. (Big Chimp Laugh)
Obviously domainer's IQ and Math skills are considered primitive compared to the super chimps working for GoDaddy.

GoDaddy (imo) are amongst the lowest of the the low.
There is just nothing good about what they have to offer, whatsoever.
I myself have been transferring my domains out to vastly more ethical and user friendly registrars, such as Porkbun and Dynadot.

From a business stand point I get the higher commission charge for NOT having your nameservers pointed at Dan.com, but it would also be fair to consider this blackmail or coercion and excessive.

IMO, anybody paying 25% commission (and a 66.6% higher fee when not using Dan nameservers) to Godaddy/Dan.com, for selling a domain name, would really have to be pushing the realms of justification to its limits. It is an excessively greedy amount, especially considering their turnover.

On the upside, hopefully there will be a massive exodus of users from Dan, and competitors (old and new) will offer alternatives which will benefit all.

 

[NickB]

And by the way, Dan's verification system is SO MUCH better than Sedo's which requires to to change the nameservers to theirs "for a few days" and then change them back to what you want. With Dan, you simply add a TXT record. And it's instant.

I've always found pointing the nameservers to ns1.sedoparking | ns2.sedoparking 15min before listing the domains means they are verified almost immediately

 

[411domains]

This is an alignment of commissions across the GoDaddy aftermarket. You can read more about this move here: https://uniregistry.com/blog/post/godaddy-aftermarket-alignment
or https://news.dan.com/221733-dan-and-godaddy-aftermarket-commission-alignment

Normally I wouldn't ask a question like this, but since the 60K "Old Plan" example appears to include only sales of 5K or less, I feel it's pertinent.

That said, for the sake of absolute clarity, will this "flat rate" commission structure be replacing the tiered commission structure that currently exists?

Flat Rate Parked - 15%
Flat Rate Parked/Brokered/Self Negotiated - 15%
Flat Rate Not Parked - 25%

Edit: What about Partner purchase path sales and Godaddy auction sales?

 

[bmugford]

Is GoDaddy planning on fixing any of their issues with this new found windfall of income, especially on the Afternic side?

For instance just doing a spot check I noticed one domain I have priced @ $30,000 on Afternic using BIN landers instead loads the "may be for sale" lander. Some others work fine.

The domain is priced at Afternic and Dan at the same price. If I search either venue I see it listed for that price.

If I search for the domain on GoDaddy it shows that it is available for $34,999.

I have no idea why the Afternic BIN lander is not loading. I have no idea where the $34,999 price is coming from.

That was only one of a handful of domains I spot checked. I don't have the time or energy to manually check thousands of domains.

However, it seems a bit of a statistical unlikelihood that I would have randomly stumbled on the issue, if there was only one.

I would love to understand what is going on here. @Paul Nicks @James Iles

Brad

 

[boker]

Great question that I hadn't considered - but you won't get the discounted commission if you're not using one of the following nameservers:

• afternic.com
• smartname.com
• uniregistrymarket.link
• dan.com
• undeveloped.com
• internettraffic.com
• cashparking.com

So now, an increase of commission from 9% it's actually a discounted one...that's the math when you work for a greedy company.

 

[411domains]

Is GoDaddy planning on fixing any of their issues with this new found windfall of income, especially on the Afternic side?

For instance just doing a spot check I noticed one domain I have priced @ $30,000 on Afternic using BIN landers instead loads the "may be for sale" lander. Some others work fine.

The domain is priced at Afternic and Dan at the same price. If I search either venue I see it listed for that price.

If I search for the domain on GoDaddy it shows that it is available for $34,999.

I have no idea why the Afternic BIN lander is not loading. I have no idea where the $34,999 price is coming from.

That was only one of a handful of domains I spot checked. I don't have the time or energy to manually check thousands of domains.

However, it seems a bit of a statistical unlikelihood that I would have randomly stumbled on the issue, if there was only one.

I would love to understand what is going on here. @Paul Nicks @James Iles

Brad

We should compare notes.

Check UNI. If it's not listed there, it could be an old GD auction listing.

 

[bmugford]

We should compare notes.

Check UNI. If it's not listed there, it could be an old GD auction listing.

There are too many different systems with orphaned listings.
If you own a large portfolio is it almost impossible to keep up with.

Even if that is the case, how am I supposed to find every orphaned listing?
Also, why is the Afternic BIN lander not loading?

Brad

 

[411domains]

There are too many different systems with orphaned listings.
If you own a large portfolio is it almost impossible to keep up with.

Even if that is the case, how am I supposed to find every orphaned listing?
Also, why is the Afternic BIN lander not loading?

Brad

Oh, I'm very familiar with orphaned listings.

I do all the work myself, but it's always easier to have your Afternic Rep take care of them. (Especially when they're interfering with the feed.)

As for the Afternic BIN lander, If you're using a Private Firefox browser, I can tell you with absolute certainty that it has never loaded in any private Firefox browser since the roll-out. It's been reported numerous times and nothing has been done about it.

Note: You can see it when you (x) the reload button to stop the page from loading.

After the BIN button fiasco, I don't even bother with them anymore.

 

[Ostrados]

Oh, I'm very familiar with orphaned listings.

I do all the work myself, but it's always easier to have your Afternic Rep take care of them. (Especially when they're interfering with the feed.)

As for the Afternic BIN lander, If you're using a Private Firefox browser, I can tell you with absolute certainty that it has never loaded in any private Firefox browser since the roll-out. It's been reported numerous times and nothing has been done about it.

Note: You can see it when you (x) the reload button to stop the page from loading.

After the BIN button fiasco, I don't even bother with them anymore.

I just made a test and it is true Afternic BIN ns5/Ns6 does not load on private Firefox

Oh wow

So we are basically cornered to use GD landers, but the landers themselves are broken!

 

[AEProgram]

I just made a test and it is true Afternic BIN ns5/Ns6 does not load on private Firefox

Oh wow

So we are basically cornered to use GD landers, but the landers themselves are broken!

install uBlock origin and test some parking and landers, so many pages are blocked