The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[bmugford]

When Brad complains about the people here; ignore the deflection. The truth is he, lennco, JB and most every other liberal just hated Donald Trump.

They didn't care who won as long as it wasn't Trump. They ignored the truth, sanctioned the election fraud and embraced every blue-anon conspiracy the media peddled.

Prove me wrong.

Hey buddy, it is your dear leader and minions that are making these baseless claims...rejected by court after court, when are you going to release the kraken?

When did My Pillow Guy say Trump was going to be re-instated again?

You are the ones making the claims. Prove it. That is how it works.

The butthurt faux outrage from conservatives is off the charts. Everything is some manufactured "crisis". It is hilarious to watch.

Brad

 

[mr-x]

Hey buddy, it is your dear leader and minions that are making these baseless claims...rejected by court after court, when are you going to release the kraken?

When did My Pillow Guy say Trump was going to be re-instated again?

You are the ones making the claims. Prove it. That is how it works.

The butthurt faux outrage from conservatives is off the charts. Everything is some manufactured "crisis". It is hilarious to watch.

Brad

As usual you deflect from the facts at hand; anything to avoid responsibility or even justify your poor political choices.
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Universal main in ballots, no chain of custody in key counties, no or almost no signature verification, abnormal numbers that would make winning the powerball a common occurrence ( excuse the hyperbole ).
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"Leftists in the United States are increasingly weaponizing investigations to persecute and prosecute their opponents for politics and policy differences. The left’s conduct is similar to the conduct you find in a banana republic where the authoritarian state punishes its political enemies with criminal prosecutions in search of crimes. It’s antithetical to America’s founding which rejected the idea and practice of those in power punishing political opponents for vague and ambiguous “crimes against the state.” Instead, the Founders chose to create a country of laws, not of men."

- Eric Schmitt is Missouri’s attorney general.

https://redstate.com/redstate-guest...itical-prosecution-of-president-trump-n400176


Sounds like the Adults in charge are corrupt bastards with little regard for the Bill of Rights when it doesn't suit them.

 

[.X.]

Democrats teach people they are victims. Victim mentality is rampant in black culture and it is crippling. Many see everything through the lens of being a victim of racism.

The worse I've seen was a supervisor throw a 1960's style steel chair across the room because he was woken up at 3am by a phone call; "they're fucking with me". There was a repair crew in the office by 6:am to fix the wall.

Being a victim feels good and relieves you of any responsibility for your own life. Not every black co-worker acted that way of course, but it was a prevalent theme.

Of course … they are begging for reparation cash daily now … many just want money .. Black Lives Matter founders have already cashed in and left the organization .. … nothing has changed from years past …. Same old shit .. different year .. much higher level … Race relations between whites and blacks are depleting daily now … As a whole majority .. I think he white race now knows it was the target the whole time .. . not the police .. as a majority black population knows what is up ..

It’s definitely not all Blacks that agree with what is going on .. and there are plenty of whites involved in the ???? Movement .. the ???? Are because I have no idea what to exactly call the movement .

 

[mr-x]

Watching democrat candidates for Mayor of NYC call each other racist is wonderful.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1406975334944325639

 

[mr-x]

Of course … they are begging for reparation cash daily now … many just want money .. Black Lives Matter founders have already cashed in and left the organization .. … nothing has changed from years past …. Same old shit .. different year .. much higher level … Race relations between whites and blacks are depleting daily now … As a whole majority .. I think he white race now knows it was the target the whole time .. . not the police .. as a majority black population knows what is up ..

It’s definitely not all Blacks that agree with what is going on .. and there are plenty of whites involved in the ???? Movement .. the ???? Are because I have no idea what to exactly call the movement .

The real change is communism has been embraced by much of our corporate media.

 

[.X.]

Watching democrat candidates for Mayor of NYC call each other racist is wonderful.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1406975334944325639

that is the trend now … you forgot systemic .. systemic is the MO … reparations in cash for the blacks and Millennial free monthly money is the narrative IMO .. that and a Marxist - Socialist gov regime

 

[.X.]

Anyone can comb through this thread and see that liberals denied wanting Socialism .. then when their protests and shit started .. they pretty much let it out that they want Socialism…. They want Marxism to .. don’t be fooled … or should I say .. fooled again

 

[.X.]

The real change is communism has been embraced by much of our corporate media.

Communism is .. and has always been in the mixed bag shit these people want .. Socialism - Marxism - Communism … it’s all been there since the beginning

 

[bmugford]

Anyone can comb through this thread and see that liberals denied wanting Socialism .. then when their protests and shit started .. they pretty much let it out that they want Socialism…. They want Marxism to .. don’t be fooled … or should I say .. fooled again

"Socialism" is some boogey man to a lot of people. Define what it is?

Is rich people and companies paying their fair share of taxes socialism? I am not even talking about raising rates, I am talking about existing rates where billionaires pay a fraction of the effective rate of normal workers. They are able to achieve this via accounting shenanigans and lack of enforcement.

Is providing reasonable health care options considered socialism, like every other modern country on Earth. Is tying healthcare to the person, not a job, considered socialism.

Sub out "socialism" and sub in equality. That is what most people want.

Most just want an even playing field, and the same rules that apply to everyone, including in the justice system.

Brad

 

[.X.]

"Socialism" is some boogey man to a lot of people. Define what it is?

Is rich people and companies paying their fair share of taxes socialism? I am not even talking about raising rates, I am talking about existing rates where billionaires pay a fraction of the effective rate of normal workers. They are able to achieve this via accounting shenanigans and lack of enforcement.

Is providing reasonable health care options considered socialism, like every other modern country on Earth. Is tying healthcare to the person, not a job, considered socialism.

Sub out "socialism" and sub in equality. That is what most people want.

Most just want an even playing field, and the same rules that apply to everyone, including in the justice system.

Brad

alls you all had to do was say that in the very beginning ?????? …. Instead you all went the deceptive route ..

Socialism has never worked as it was written … why?? Power … look throughout history … Socialism opens a very wide door for Dictatorship… and usually ends up a dictatorship that further leads to implementation of Communism …

why would we want to even take a chance on such very old ideologies ???? You are speaking of wanting ideology from the 1800s … I thought we wanted to change for the better ???

With the deceptive practices used to try and storm the false narratives … nothing you peeps say is believable any longer .. be straight .. and honest would have at least given you folks credibility..

 

[bmugford]

alls you all had to do was say that in the very beginning ?????? …. Instead you all went the deceptive route ..

Socialism has never worked as it was written … why?? Power … look throughout history … Socialism opens a very wide door for Dictatorship… and usually ends up a dictatorship that further leads to implementation of Communism …

why would we want to even take a chance on such very old ideologies ???? You are speaking of wanting ideology from the 1800s … I thought we wanted to change for the better ???

With the deceptive practices used to try and storm the false narratives … nothing you peeps say is believable any longer .. be straight .. and honest would have at least given you folks credibility..

You are projecting.

I have never pushed Marxism, communism, or socialism.

I want an even playing field. That is not what we have at the moment.

Rich people paying their fair share. Everyone having some basic healthcare option. A justice system that applies to everyone the same way. None of that stuff is unreasonable.

The hyperbole is way over the top.

Brad

 

[.X.]

You are projecting.

I have never pushed Marxism, communism, or socialism.

I want an even playing field. That is not what we have at the moment.

Rich people paying their fair share. Everyone having some basic healthcare option. A justice system that applies to everyone the same way. None of that stuff is unreasonable.

The hyperbole is way over the top.

Brad

people have a basic healthcare option that allows them to receive healthcare either free of cost or based on income .. The County Hospitals and County Clinics provided this service and are funded by the county tax payers …

what the US offers assistance wise .. has been extremely abused for decades .. Section 8 housing .. Food Stamps and ect ..those resources are still as much available as they ever where .

people get what they work for .. credit worthiness is king in the US .. being credit worthy is not hard .. you do have work a job and build it though..

The majority of people choose the playing field they are on … some don’t .. but a majority does ..

Young people don’t like the system because of wages … I started working for 2.72 an hour at Payless shoes … I didn’t beg for government free money .. I knew I had to learn a trade if I wanted a wage that suited me … so I did that ..

Where we are at right now didn’t have to happen to bridge some gaps in healthcare .. wages … taxation… but it did and is happening .. there is no way I see all this ending well .. all of it was completely gone about the wrong way … none the less .. I believe you support BLM .. which after all 4 of the founders have bailed on BLM . it’s pretty obvious what their specific narrative was .. IMO .. you guys are in way over your heads … AOC telling Biden that the progressives have little patience left with the Democratic Party .. Big mistake as you will see in the end …

there will be a lot of lessons learned from all this either way .. both sides are more than willing to learn them the hard way … we are a 50-50 split …so I have no problem with the ending .. it’s fair …

 

[bmugford]

Young people don’t like the system because of wages … I started working for 2.72 an hour at Payless shoes … I didn’t beg for government free money .. I knew I had to learn a trade if I wanted a wage that suited me … so I did that ..

I would say the younger generations might not have the same work ethic, but at the same time they are working for far less than older generations were when you factor in cost of goods, so I don't really blame them. The salaries have not kept up with rising costs of real estate, education, healthcare, etc.

The younger generations also have more power in the system with a shortage of labor.

Businesses are all about supply and demand.

Now there is a limited supply of workers willing to work jobs for terrible wages. That demand for workers should drive wages up.

Companies need to adjust. I am sick of hearing companies bitch about not being able to find workers. There is no shortage of workers willing to work for reasonable wages.

If an employer can't pay reasonable wages, they might not have a viable business model.

Brad

 

[sonatime]

@GILSAN How about a care package?

 

[.X.]

I would say the younger generations might not have the same work ethic, but at the same time they are working for far less than older generations were when you factor in cost of goods, so I don't really blame them. The salaries have not kept up with rising costs of real estate, education, healthcare, etc.

The younger generations also have more power in the system with a shortage of labor.

Businesses are all about supply and demand.

Now there is a limited supply of workers willing to work jobs for terrible wages. That demand for workers should drive wages up.

Companies need to adjust. I am sick of hearing companies bitch about not being able to find workers. There is no shortage of workers willing to work for reasonable wages.

If an employer can't pay reasonable wages, they might not have a viable business model.

Brad

i don’t disagree that the minimum wage needs to up substantially…. It does .. $7.25 an hour has been around way to long .. a minimum wage of $11 to $12 an hour should be passed .. and should have been passed about 10 years ago. If we were to crank the minimum wage up to high .. to say the $15 an hour that has been proposed .. two things woulda happen … of course a substantial raise is pricing passes down .. but you would see corporate America with holding raises from skilled workers to compensate .. if the minimum wage is raised to a rate that will simply allow some pricing adjustment .. the trickle down economics won’t follow it ..

It’s like Biden raising the capital gain tax to 46.1 %. … you aren’t just taking a small loss .. you have to either inflate pricing substantially… or you have to find a trickle down as you go to continue to profit that is even with your while …

raising any numbers to high to fast .. will cause a drastic influx of loss

 

[bmugford]

i don’t disagree that the minimum wage needs to up substantially…. It does .. $7.25 an hour has been around way to long .. a minimum wage of $11 to $12 an hour should be passed .. and should have been passed about 10 years ago. If we were to crank the minimum wage up to high .. to say the $15 an hour that has been proposed .. two things woulda happen … of course a substantial raise is pricing passes down .. but you would see corporate America with holding raises from skilled workers to compensate .. if the minimum wage is raised to a rate that will simply allow some pricing adjustment .. the trickle down economics won’t follow it ..

It’s like Biden raising the capital gain tax to 46.1 %. … you aren’t just taking a small loss .. you have to either inflate pricing substantially… or you have to find a trickle down as you go to continue to profit that is even with your while …

raising any numbers to high to fast .. will cause a drastic influx of loss

I agree on minimum wage. It needs to go up in a planned manner. It needs to scale up and can't be too much, too fast. I think $11 to $12 now is fine with cost of living scheduled increases over time.

Again, as far as taxes goes I don't even care about raising rates. What we need is an AMT.

Corporations and high earners need to pay the taxes as they currently exist, and not use shady accounting tricks to pay lower effective tax rates than people making under $10/hour.

There is absolutely no justifiable reason to have billionaires paying sub 5% tax rates.

Brad

 

[GILSAN]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1406435454510059520

 

[.X.]

I agree on minimum wage. It needs to go up in a planned manner. It needs to scale up and can't be too much, too fast. I think $11 to $12 now is fine with cost of living scheduled increases over time.

Again, as far as taxes goes I don't even care about raising rates. What we need is an AMT.

Corporations and high earners need to pay the taxes as they currently exist, and not use shady accounting tricks to pay lower effective tax rates than people making under $10/hour.

There is absolutely no justifiable reason to have billionaires paying sub 5% tax rates.

Brad

the whales do need to be taxed correctly .. all the tax breaks they get are way to far extensive .. the correct taxation for the whales earnings bracket would be a great start … I look at the amount of money Bezos makes ..for instance .. I see several issues .. nothing happens or changes .. seeing such has been very frustrating.. Gates .. Buffett and the list goes on …

at least Biden did income bracketing with the capital gains tax .. but that drastic of a number up in taxation is a complete game changer .. especially for the small person .. it is hard to level the profit now .. Passing it to the consumer sucks .. I hate that .. so it’s a huge adjustment to try and calculate the loss down to say 13% more than before

 

[mr-x]

Manufactured by democrats:

....The butthurt faux outrage from conservatives is off the charts. Everything is some manufactured "crisis". It is hilarious to watch.
Brad

The evolution of fat ass Stacy Abrams and black nationalist Raphael Warnock from Jim Crow 2.0 to Nobody objects to voter ID.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1407045344819613704

If you call it an evolution, I'll post videos of them denying the EVER objected to voter id laws, then a video of them objecting.

Faux outrage.. Tell us more about the "insurrection" Brad.

 

[mr-x]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1406435454510059520

DeSantis is everything Trump was without the negative persona. More capable of handling the media because he doesn't speak in run-on sentences with pejoratives. Trump also has a fragile ego which is a huge weakness.

 

[mr-x]

"Socialism" is some boogey man to a lot of people. Define what it is?

Are you capable of expressing a thought without repeating nonsense you've heard on the news or twitter? "boogey man"

Is rich people and companies paying their fair share of taxes socialism? I am not even talking about raising rates, I am talking about existing rates where billionaires pay a fraction of the effective rate of normal workers. They are able to achieve this via accounting shenanigans and lack of enforcement.

You realize the people running the empty suit you voted for are talking about a 15% global tax and rewriting the definition of capital gains? Any idea what that will do the middle class?

Is providing reasonable health care options considered socialism, like every other modern country on Earth. Is tying healthcare to the person, not a job, considered socialism.

You may not have noticed, conservatives offered a different plan. Neither side want to compromise.

You sound like a CNN panelist. We are well beyond, socialized health care. Obama care doubled and tripled HC premiums for for middle class and upper middle class families. Another half ass, half thought out conclusion.

I can't wait to see the HC bill when Biden legalizes 30 million illegal aliens.

Sub out "socialism" and sub in equality. That is what most people want.

Most just want an even playing field, and the same rules that apply to everyone, including in the justice system.

Brad

1) Equality is racist. "Equity" is the new buzz word where everyone gets the same outcome no matter how hard you work.

2) Equality requires a fair, merit based system. Marxism is neither.

3) If you want fair taxes, go to a flat tax with no deduction.

4) No-one is objecting to feeding or providing h/c for the poor. We have different ideas how to do it.

 

[mr-x]

You are projecting.

I have never pushed Marxism, communism, or socialism.

I want an even playing field. That is not what we have at the moment.

Rich people paying their fair share. Everyone having some basic healthcare option. A justice system that applies to everyone the same way. None of that stuff is unreasonable.

The hyperbole is way over the top.

Brad

But you voted for the hyperbole. The democrats have sped past socialism strait to marxism. BLM have become the democrat brown-shirts.

If you dare to say all lives matter, you're life can be turned upside down. Democrats are teaching critical race theory in elementary schools, a marxist doctrine that replaces social classes with race.

NBC, CNN, print media are still comparing antifa anarchist to Americans fighting fascism in WWII. That's not normal.

 

[.X.]

So online .. Texas is being labeled a racist state because “Critical Race Theory” has been banned and signed into law not be taught in schools.

… me having and have raised a Bi Racial son helps me understand why this will not be allowed ..

My son was called an Oreo by black students when he was going though grade school and some of middle school .. not so much in high school though .. while some white students called him the N-Word … so he got it from both races .. black and white ..

My son as a child.. always understood that he was of mixed white and black race .. he understood that it was his personal choice as to what to identify as .. or identify as mixed race .. the choice was solely his without his mom or myself telling him anything ..

Equity.. the new word Equity .. is a very dangerous word racially … equality on the other hand is what society is striving for .. to have equality .. all races must open all their facilities.. neighborhoods and activities to all races … we still have all white night clubs .. all black night clubs .. some all white neighborhoods.. more all black neighborhoods… all black city schools and colleges .. I don’t currently know of any all white city schools or colleges … for the kids and youth to have complete equality .. everything will have to shares and all races will have to be welcomed ..

This would be a great thing .. But .. it doesn’t happen just because Washington or high sparrows says it does … we are talking about cultures .. religions and other factors that have to accept the changes .. culture is embedded into us …. If you take a child and teach them theories of how they should be .. but the same is not taught at home .. you get nowhere … everything starts in the home and the child’s surrounds.

Black .. White .. Brown and Yellow obviously know they are different from one another.. each color culture is different from the other .. if we were to allow Critical Race Theory to be to be taught to children .. tweens and teens … we would be teaching children of different culture that perhaps their culture should not exist.. perhaps no culture should exist… which is completely counter productive because that is not taking the step to equality … equality is acceptance and respect for your fellow American no matter race or religion .. history of diversity would more attribute to ever race and religion as a stepping stone to equality .. but each race has to put down the barrier of entering into its most cherished thing .. it’s culture .. .. that means every school … gym .. club .. neighbor hoods .. everything across the broad board .. will have to 1000% open to every race and religion ..

We are all humans .. each race is territorial to an extent .. each race values it’s culture .. I have yet to figure out by what means can bring equality to every race .. the main reason being .. we are all human beings …

 

[bmugford]

1) Equality is racist. "Equity" is the new buzz word where everyone gets the same outcome no matter how hard you work.

There discussion can stop there. Equality is racist. LOL

There is no point having a discussion with a moron.

Brad

 

[mr-x]

Equity.. the new word Equity .. is a very dangerous word racially … equality on the other hand is what society is striving for .. to have equality .. all races must open all their facilities.. neighborhoods and activities to all races … we still have all white night clubs .. all black night clubs .. some all white neighborhoods.. more all black neighborhoods… all black city schools and colleges .. I don’t currently know of any all white city schools or colleges … for the kids and youth to have complete equality .. everything will have to shares and all races will have to be welcomed

You will never have equity in this world. Equality is the best we can hope for.

Equity is just the current buzzword for communism.

This would be a great thing .. But .. it doesn’t happen just because Washington or high sparrows says it does … we are talking about cultures .. religions and other factors that have to accept the changes .. culture is embedded into us …. If you take a child and teach them theories of how they should be .. but the same is not taught at home .. you get nowhere … everything starts in the home and the child’s surrounds.

Black .. White .. Brown and Yellow obviously know they are different from one another.. each color culture is different from the other .. if we were to allow Critical Race Theory to be to be taught to children .. tweens and teens … we would be teaching children of different culture that perhaps their culture should not exist.. perhaps no culture should exist… which is completely counter productive because that is not taking the step to equality … equality is acceptance and respect for your fellow American no matter race or religion .. history of diversity would more attribute to ever race and religion as a stepping stone to equality .. but each race has to put down the barrier of entering into its most cherished thing .. it’s culture .. .. that means every school … gym .. club .. neighbor hoods .. everything across the broad board .. will have to 1000% open to every race and religion ..

We are all humans .. each race is territorial to an extent .. each race values it’s culture .. I have yet to figure out by what means can bring equality to every race .. the main reason being .. we are all human beings …