poll After expiry should a registrar give a domain back to the pool?

[frank-germany]

As for managing the expiry stream, each day I have to decide which domains to let go to Snapnames after the grace period. This is a very efficient process done through a single screen with some analytics.

On some days, the review involves a lot of names with really no time to research them. It is a quick gut decision of whether or not to let a name to go to the wolves or to warehouse them.

so there was a discussion going on
what a registrar should be doing when a domain drops

1) should they be allowed to keep it for their own use and exploitation?
2) should they always give it back to the pool?

 

[vravis9]

Thanks @Rob Monster

If you can restore that will be helpful...it certainly in under 35 days of expiry.

What should I do next to get it...

Thanks,
Ravi

Update: my name is restored.

Thanks @Rob Monster for helping me.

This resolved very quickly...and it should have happened at Cust agent level...but the agent I contacted missed answering my question and never mentioned of 35 days option to restore on request.

Overall I got my name back..

 

[frank-germany]

Lol Frank did you really edit out the NameLiquidate part

I take it back, Rob told me all needed to know

Yes I did take out the promotions

 

[frank-germany]

Frank - your selective quotation is mind-numblingly opportunistic. Here is the full context of that post:

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Your actions are bordering on defamation.

@Mod Team Bravo

Rob I had taken out the promotional part as I didn‘t like your Promotion

the quoted post is from the
Report completed sales
Thread

So I was referring to that part of your post only

how is that possibly defamatory??

@Mod Team Bravo

 

[frank-germany]

The point that you apparently fail to grasp is that the specific example shared is to illustrate the merits of sending inventory to NameLiquidate.com and also for checking expiry inventory at Daily Diamonds.

you posted a promotional post into
„showcase your completed sales“

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Rob I had taken out the promotional part as I didn‘t like your Promotion

the quoted post is from the
Report completed sales
Thread

So I was referring to that part of your post only

how is that possibly defamatory??

@Mod Team Bravo

For possible clarification (with respect, as I understand English is not your primary language).

I didn't see anything defamatory in your edited screenshot. (added below for reference)

However, Rob said your actions, so he could be referring to other posts.

Lastly, and getting back on track to this thread, looking into the above domain sale, regarding the March 2014 acquisition, and I'm not sure if it was already mentioned, or if this is the reasoning for @frank-germany mentioning it in this thread is that 2014 domain might have been acquired in similar warehousing fashion of BC30, through and after the acquisition of IntrustDomains.com (unfortunately there isn't an updated historical WHOIS entry in DomainIQ to be more specific, however the first 2010 entry shows IntrustDomains.com WHOIS server, similar to BC30)

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Awareness of NameLiquidate is increasing quickly.

What if awareness doesn't maintain, or worse, doesn't bring in a customer base?

It is opt-in but we are making it as painless as possible.

How can we opt in to receive a percentage of the 75% that SnapNames expired auctions pays out?

Is it possible to work out a deal with GoDaddy auctions instead of SnapNames, and split the proceeds of our expired domains that are sent to GoDaddy auctions instead of SnapNames (assuming GoDaddy has a larger customer base.)

For those wondering, here is a May 2018 excerpt from @Joe Styler regarding GoDaddys stance on warehousing expired domains.

...We do not bid on domains or warehouse any domains that expire. We acquire our domains by buying portfolios from other domain investors or companies.

 

[frank-germany]

However, Rob said your actions, so he could be referring to other post]

I wasn't thinking OFF-Topic

 

[frank-germany]

What promotion?

Solutions to problems.

Got a better solution to registrants not monetizing their own expiry streams? I have yet to come across too many but am looking pretty hard.

what problem?

we are discussing in this thread
if the member of namepros
like it when registrars
monetize their expired domains
for their own financial benefit

or if they would prefer that the registrars
would let them drop back into the pool


I would love to invite other registrars to participate
and not let epik run the show

@Dynadot
@namesilo
@Joe Styler
@ConnectReseller

who else?

 

[frank-germany]

would you rather have your domains registered at a registrar that
does not take any ownership on your expired domains?

or do you love the fact that your time/effort/experience and money
benefits another company
in case you were either
not taking care enough/busy/ill/broke or dead

how about dead?
why should the registrar benefit
in case you missed to instruct your heirs?

 

[Chris Hydrick]

That is why we did the Reverse auction format. It is a superior method that prevents nonsense.

I still fail to see how reverse auction prrotects against false reserves.

 

[Samer]

@Grilled - There are no shills. I am saying that shilling is impossible by design. That is why we did the Reverse auction format. It is a superior method that prevents nonsense.

wish you’d separate the two.

Reverse auction so much superior.

definitely on to something

 

[Rob Monster]

I still fail to see how reverse auction prrotects against false reserves.

If someone submits a domain with a reserve price that is too high, their inventory will very likely just miss out on most of the eyeballs.

However, that's fine. If someone was liquidating a large portfolio of 4L.com domains this week, they might set a $100 reserve. Nothing wrong with that.

The buyers will become aware that a bunch of 4L.com domains are in play.

The seller will sell some through auction and then perhaps sell more through private outreach when folks realize that they missed out.

The end result is the same -- we are adding more real-time liquidity, and especially for perishable inventory where smaller domainers' basis is being eviscerated forever in two areas:

1. The domains expire at Godaddy and the losing registrant gets zero from the sale.

2. The domains get bid up by the deepest pockets and the small players get priced out.

Godaddy appears to be completely on board with the "Winner take all" economic model. I have spent the last several years figuring out how to level the playing field. We are finally making serious headway.

 

[frank-germany]

That is called DEFAMATION. You use the word "Theft". It is a word that describes a CRIME. However, there was no crime. That makes you a FALSE ACCUSER. You see how that works.

Here is the transaction history on the domain:

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There are receipts with email time stamps for each one.

No apology needed. You were already forgiven. Best of luck.

again breach of privacy of 2 epik customers
publishing their email addresses without any need

 

[Chris Hydrick]

If someone submits a domain with a reserve price that is too high, their inventory will very likely just miss out on most of the eyeballs.

However, that's fine. If someone was liquidating a large portfolio of 4L.com domains this week, they might set a $100 reserve. Nothing wrong with that.

The buyers will become aware that a bunch of 4L.com domains are in play.

Would be helpful if the term "reserve" (to notify buyers and sellers of reseves) was included somewhere on the homepage of NameLiquidate, and not just at the bottom, saying all rights reserved.

Lastly, as this is driving the conversation off-topic, it still does not prrotect against false bids / reserves, as evident in my previous email screenshots regarding prrotect. I could have taken the bait to bid more, but I didn't. Secure the funds when a bid is place. What happened in the above example shouldn't be chalked off as a margin of error. It can be corrected.

 

[frank-germany]

Would be helpful if the term "reserve" (to notify buyers and sellers of reseves) was included somewhere on the homepage of NameLiquidate, and not just at the bottom, saying all rights reserved.

Lastly, as this is driving the conversation off-topic, it still does not protect against false bids / reserves, as evident in my previous email screenshots regarding prrotect. I could have taken the bait to bid more, but I didn't. Secure the funds when a bid is place. What happened in the above example shouldn't be chalked off as a margin of error. It can be corrected.

could you please discuss how to operate nameliqu. to benefit all
in a separate thread of your own

 

[Rob Monster]

again breach of privacy of 2 epik customers
publishing their email addresses without any need

The first was Keith who was inviting to present a case in the court of public opinion. He has not objected and is free to have that post redacted.

The second is the registrant, who has owned that domain forever, and whose email is all over the web.

Keith's assertion turned out to be without merit, and the Mods are free to remove any of those posts. It matters not to me.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

could you please discuss how to operate nameliqu. to benefit all
in a separate thread of your own

 

[frank-germany]

The first was Keith who was inviting to present a case in the court of public opinion. He has not objected and is free to have that post redacted.

The second is the registrant, who has owned that domain forever, and whose email is all over the web.

Keith's assertion turned out to be without merit, and the Mods are free to remove any of those posts. It matters not to me.

I didn't see him asking to expose his email
nor agreeing to that
@Keith

 

[Chris Hydrick]

o/t

 

[wwwweb]

I didn't see him asking to expose his email
nor agreeing to that
@Keith

He asked to see an invoice or proof, if anything had been blacked out, or edited it would have been rebuked, now it has been shown in full transparency, and everyone can live happily ever after.

That topic has been floating for sometime, it is good to finally see it put to rest.

As for the topic of this thread, like anything else out there at the end of the day registers are businesses, not charities, they can’t make money by making a 20 cent margin on renewal, with a 3% cc surcharge on top of other overheads. They have to find resources within to keep the lights on.

Now if we go back to pre dropcatch, it might be a good thing if they let these names go back into the blackhole, but what does it really matter anymore, with technology in API/Bots, not much good stuff gets by the gatekeepers these days. So either they can sustain the name within their own business, or they can give up that revenue to dropcatch/namejet etc...what would you do as a business owner?

The question posed in the thread title is wishful thinking, in a perfect world, that rule would have to apply to all. Those days you long for are gone, look what .co does with names that get released that even have a sliver of value they go back up for $120, if not more. Donuts holds back premium
drops for their platinum reserves etc... There are to many large companies like Huge Domains, and others, along with smaller domainers fighting for names it creates the perfect storm, value can be extracted at any level, one way or another good names don’t come cheap, and if they do drop, they go back into the same auction format, so ask maximum value for your names.

 

[karmaco]

These threads every damn week that are always always started to take a jab at Epik or Rob are really making it unpleasant to come to this site. It’s pathetic and tiresome that some people have nothing else to do with their time but start shit, complain and generally make this forum not a fun place anymore by spewing hate in one direction (Epik) ad nauseum.

 

[frank-germany]

These threads every damn week that are always always started to take a jab at Epik or Rob are really making it unpleasant to come to this site. It’s pathetic and tiresome that some people have nothing else to do with their time but start sh*t, complain and generally make this forum not a fun place anymore by spewing hate in one direction (Epik) ad nauseum.

maybe you could try to stay on topic instead of complaining about others

-quote
so there was a discussion going on
what a registrar should be doing when a domain drops

1) should they be allowed to keep it for their own use and exploitation?
2) should they always give it back to the pool?
-quote

 

[Joe Styler]

As you know, NameLiquidate and Daily Diamonds are both reverse auctions.

No shill bids.

We did that for a reason.

Nobody likes being left holding the drippy bag of a chargeback on a transaction where the commission was a mighty skinny 9%.

So, by rooting out fraud, keeping overhead low, and automating processes, we can achieve scale and create value at the same time.

Godaddy is actually in trouble. I think they secretly know it too. Uniregistry was a hail Mary and with Arnold Blinn's resignation it is looking DOA.

We're secretly not in trouble but thanks for the concern. The Uniregistry acquisition was done as an investment to better serve our investor customers. We have exciting plans for the upcoming year and beyond to help customers continue to grow.

 

[Rob Monster]

We're secretly not in trouble but thanks for the concern. The Uniregistry acquisition was done as an investment to better serve our investor customers. We have exciting plans for the upcoming year and beyond to help customers continue to grow.

Thanks Joe.

In the meantime, would be great if Godaddy policy enforcers would (1) make sure client's WHOIS records are not nonsense, (2) stop enforcing arbitrary 60 day locks, and (3) not insert 5-day ACK delays.

If Aman wants to deliver on that NamesCon "empowerment" rhetoric even better. Though I am looking, I haven't seen it yet. That said, he seems like a capable guy who can get stuff done. Make it for good.

To be clear, I remain a big fan of the individuals that work at Godaddy - lots of classy guys that I have acknowledged here and elsewhere. The issues start when policy and rhetoric don't jive.

 

[Keith]

stop enforcing arbitrary 60 day locks.

In many cases the lock is at the customer’s request. I always opt for it where a sale in concerned. Better to be safe than sorry.