poll After expiry should a registrar give a domain back to the pool?

[frank-germany]

As for managing the expiry stream, each day I have to decide which domains to let go to Snapnames after the grace period. This is a very efficient process done through a single screen with some analytics.

On some days, the review involves a lot of names with really no time to research them. It is a quick gut decision of whether or not to let a name to go to the wolves or to warehouse them.

so there was a discussion going on
what a registrar should be doing when a domain drops

1) should they be allowed to keep it for their own use and exploitation?
2) should they always give it back to the pool?

 

[Samer]

In many cases the lock is at the customer’s request. I always opt for it where a sale in concerned. Better to be safe than sorry.

Really? Many times i request it, does nothing. One time was told “had to request” in addition to the guy who sold me the domain. i gave up.

Convoluted nonsense.So @Joe Styler both seller AND buyer have to request 60 off?
and keep Whois info the same? trying figure it

Godaddy the only ones who do it for pushes, and when @Joe Styler faces criticism for this; always defers ICANN policy; NO ONE does.

Samer

 

[Keith]

Really? Many times i request it, does nothing. One time was told “had to request” in addition to the guy who sold me the domain. i gave up.

Convoluted nonsense.So @Joe Styler both seller AND buyer have to request 60 off?

Godaddy the only ones who do it for pushes, and when @Joe Styler faces criticism for this; always defers ICANN policy; NO ONE does.

Samer

You must not sell any domains held at godaddy.

The seller opts to either enforce a 60 day lock or not. It’s important to use the option in cases where payment is made outside of Godaddy.

 

[Samer]

You must not sell any domains held at godaddy.

The seller opts to either enforce a 60 day lock or not. It’s important to use the option in cases where payment is made outside of Godaddy.

i usually inbound. they very hard to avoid
and their 60 day lock is worst in business.
They take it to the next level.

Samer

 

[Keith]

i usually inbound. they very hard to avoid
and their 60 day lock is worst in business.
They take it to the next level.

Samer

It’s protection for both parties involved in the transaction.

 

[Joe Styler]

Really? Many times i request it, does nothing. One time was told “had to request” in addition to the guy who sold me the domain. i gave up.

Convoluted nonsense.So @Joe Styler both seller AND buyer have to request 60 off?
and keep Whois info the same? trying figure it

Godaddy the only ones who do it for pushes, and when @Joe Styler faces criticism for this; always defers ICANN policy; NO ONE does.

Samer

Whoever initiates the account change chooses if there should be a lock or not.

 

[Samer]

Whoever initiates the account change chooses if there should be a lock or not.

My source is unreliable....

Called GD support, and they confused me when they said I had to...

Thank you.

Samer

 

[Joe Styler]

My source is unreliable....

Called GD support, and they confused me when they said i had to too...

Thank you.

Samer

You have the choice of accepting or rejecting the change of account if you are the one receiving the domain. If you are receiving it you can see before accepting it if there will be a lock on the domain or not for 60 days. If there is one, you can reject the change and ask the person sending you the domain to re-do the account change and to select - no lock, the next time. That way you can accept it without a lock.

 

[koolishman]

Whoever initiates the account change chooses if there should be a lock or not.

For a new hand registration?

 

[Samer]

You have the choice of accepting or rejecting the change of account if you are the one receiving the domain. If you are receiving it you can see before accepting it if there will be a lock on the domain or not for 60 days. If there is one, you can reject the change and ask the person sending you the domain to re-do the account change and to select - no lock, the next time. That way you can accept it without a lock.

Thanks Joe! Whois needs to stay the same, correct?

So there needs to be a level of trust between both parties,

Dont really own if whois same, still doable, may try 1 day, good to know steps. Thanks again

Samer

 

[Samer]

For a new hand registration?

Universal rule, i despise; cant transfer different registrar, if new registration under 60 days old.

Take your fight with ICANN on this one. They all do it. Hope changed one day in my life.,,

Samer

 

[Joe Styler]

Thanks Joe! Whois needs to stay the same, correct?

So there needs to be a level of trust between both parties,

Dont really own if whois same, still doable, may try 1 day, good to know steps. Thanks again

Samer

the WHOIS does not have to stay the same if you do it this way.

 

[Joe Styler]

For a new hand registration?

There are other reasons your domain name can be locked. I am only for this case talking about a domain that doesnt have any other lock already on it. A domain that is newly registered is locked for 60 days because of that rule. If there was say, 50 days left in the lock because you bought the domain 10 days ago you could use the push process I described and not add a new 60 day lock to it, but you would still have 50 days left on the new registration lock.

 

[BrandEntrance.com]

Imagine if the domain names could be encrypted immediately after the grace period ran out. Held for a further random period between 3 and 10 days days and then erased. Then anybody could handreg them again. No more complaints about unfairness.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

After looking over some of the discussion on:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/i-like-rob-but-epik-staff-have-skewed-all-polls.1179736/

Both great points.

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But not all polls are visible.

Such as: https://www.namepros.com/threads/af...strar-give-a-domain-back-to-the-pool.1179424/

I couldn't help but wonder if what was being hypothesized about polls in that thread, had applied here.

Not sure if the poll creator (@frank-germany) can view the results?

But likely with reason?, the creator of this thread/poll has the results hidden to the public.

I added likely with reason?, As I don't know the thinking behind creating the poll that way, but I would imagine it was done so as a privacy measure to protect Epik employees opinion from being discriminated upon, when voting potentially against a stance their employer practices/had practiced? Just a thought. Not an accusation.

 

[frank-germany]

Not sure if the poll creator (@frank-germany) can view the results?

But likely with reason?, the creator of this thread/poll has the results hidden to the public.

I added likely with reason?, As I don't know the thinking behind creating the poll that way, but I would imagine it was done so as a privacy measure to protect Epik employees opinion from being discriminated upon, when voting potentially against a stance their employer practices/had practiced? Just a thought. Not an accusation.

that was my first poll
so no reason behind it
just newbie action

 

[Chris Hydrick]

that was my first poll
so no reason behind it
just newbie action

Cool.

Well in case there are any Epik employees reading this, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the poll.

I don't think Rob is the kind of guy to discriminate against your opinion. If that is a concern, then I respect anyone doing what they feel is in their best interest.

@DanSanchez since you've already posted here, and I respect your insight, I'm curious what your stance is on the singular issue of after expiry should a registrar give a domain back to the pool?

Are forever registrations the opposite of or somehow related indirectly or directly to warehousing domains? When somebody pays for a forever domain, is that to expect they are holding their domain at the Swiss bank of domains? And to those with regular registrations, is that to assume they don't too hope or intend to hold that domain for forever as well?

Something about warehousing domains and forever domains seems to be contradictory to me?

Unless warehousing is a practice to encourage those to forever register? So not to worry about competing against their registrar warehousing their domain, sign up with a forever registration so we'll renew it for you, and therefore are no longer allowed to warehouse your domain?

Full disclosure...

My vote:

1. they may be allowed in some cases
   2 vote(s)
   3.4%

 

[topdom]

Currently priority in this game is like this:

registry > registrar > dropcatcher > high bidder > handregger

I think there is no perfect solution. Currently I play in low competition area, so it doesn't affect me much.

 

[DanSanchez]

Cool.

Well in case there are any Epik employees reading this, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the poll.

I don't think Rob is the kind of guy to discriminate against your opinion. If that is a concern, then I respect anyone doing what they feel is in their best interest.

@DanSanchez since you've already posted here, and I respect your insight, I'm curious what your stance is on the singular issue of after expiry should a registrar give a domain back to the pool?

Are forever registrations the opposite of or somehow related indirectly or directly to warehousing domains? When somebody pays for a forever domain, is that to expect they are holding their domain at the Swiss bank of domains? And to those with regular registrations, is that to assume they don't too hope or intend to hold that domain for forever as well?

Something about warehousing domains and forever domains seems to be contradictory to me?

Unless warehousing is a practice to encourage those to forever register? So not to worry about competing against their registrar warehousing their domain, sign up with a forever registration so we'll renew it for you, and therefore are no longer allowed to warehouse your domain?

Full disclosure...

My vote:

1. they may be allowed in some cases
   2 vote(s)
   3.4%

Thanks, I personally feel compelled to catch domains BEFORE they go into redemption using NameLiquidate. This rewards the previous registrant with some capital return and limits price action on the buy side. We are working towards sending all expired inventory from Epik there, would be interesting to see other registrars implement a similar solution.

If we can catch domains before they go into redemption, the entire argument is null. We won't buy domains as a registrar without letting others compete as well.

 

[frank-germany]

https://domaininvesting.com/government-escorts-com-expire/

-quote:

Should it not be renewed, it is quite possible that Web.com, parent company of Network Solutions and NameJet, will add the domain name to its New Venture Services portfolio in lieu of sending it to auction. This is something I have noticed with several valuable domain names of late.

-quote end

 

[NameBuyer.com]

Really, it is fair game for them to keep or sell off your domain once it expires.

I would much rather the registrar profit from it than it getting picked up by DropCatch and the money from the auction proceeds (or acquisition if they do that) going straight to them.

Every registrar does this in one way or another. A registrar auctioning off domains is really the same thing dressed up in a different process. If they make $100k per day off of expired auctions, is that not the same thing? They can take that $100k per day and after 30 days go buy a portfolio for $3 million. Same result...different process.

Expired domains typically go for much more than wholesaling domains to investors so it is likely much more lucrative to sell via expired auctions, pocket 100% of the proceeds at 150-200% wholesale value (with some at end user pricing) and then go buy in bulk at a discount. How is that remotely different?

In every case that exists in the world today, the registrant/owner of the expired domain gets 0%.

Same thing happens with your car. If your car gets towed and they charge you a ridiculous $400 bill and you don't pay it, then the towing company auctions your car and pockets the money.

Someday in the future, when the world is perfect...once we don't pay our bills, fairies will just bring us the left over proceeds and put it under our pillow.

 

[7363824]

How so?

I’ve placed a ton of BO there and never had them keep a domain or try any shenanigans.

Really, it is fair game for them to keep or sell off your domain once it expires.

I would much rather the registrar profit from it than it getting picked up by DropCatch and the money from the auction proceeds (or acquisition if they do that) going straight to them.

Every registrar does this in one way or another. A registrar auctioning off domains is really the same thing dressed up in a different process. If they make $100k per day off of expired auctions, is that not the same thing? They can take that $100k per day and after 30 days go buy a portfolio for $3 million. Same result...different process.

Expired domains typically go for much more than wholesaling domains to investors so it is likely much more lucrative to sell via expired auctions, pocket 100% of the proceeds at 150-200% wholesale value (with some at end user pricing) and then go buy in bulk at a discount. How is that remotely different?

In every case that exists in the world today, the registrant/owner of the expired domain gets 0%.

Same thing happens with your car. If your car gets towed and they charge you a ridiculous $400 bill and you don't pay it, then they auction your car and pocket the money.

Someday in the future, when the world is perfect...once we don't pay our bills, fairies will just bring us the left over proceeds and put it under our pillow.

Well put. And the crazy thing is some have called out Epik for this but Epik is the one registrar changing the game with their liquidation platform and revenue sharing. It just shows how some people love to hate them no matter what they do.

 

[NameBuyer.com]

Well put. And the crazy thing is some have called out Epik for this but Epik is the one registrar changing the game with their liquidation platform and revenue sharing. It just shows how some people love to hate them no matter what they do.

Yeah, that's why I wanted to respond. I like Epik. I like GoDaddy. I respect GoDaddy for not letting NameFind bid on names and keeping it clean.

But the truth is...the game is the same for all registrars, and there are only 1 of the 3 parties involved that are ever going to profit from it.

1. The registrar
2. The drop catching service with the biggest pockets
3. ICANN

Pick one out of that poll.

 

[frank-germany]

namesilo:


-quote:

Hello Frank,

Your domain, rxxxxxate.com, has just expired. You can still renew the domain for another 31-33 days at the normal renewal price by logging into your account. Your domain may be auctioned on the 31st day. Until you renew the domain, the services related to this domain, such as a web site and email delivery, will not function. If you fail to renew the domain within the next 33 days, and it has not been auctioned, you will be forced to pay the domain restoration fee in order to keep rxxxxxate.com.

You can find more details regarding our expiration process, as well as associated fees, by visiting namesilo.com/Support/Expiration-Process.

You can avoid domain expirations in the future by enabling auto-renewals for your domains and maintaining a valid billing profile, adequate NameSilo account funds or an active PayPal billing agreement. Please visit the renewal manager within your account to learn more.

This will be the final notice that you will receive regarding this domain. If you would like to keep rxxxxxate.com, you should renew it right away.

Thanks,
NameSilo Customer Service

-quote end

 

[BrandEntrance.com]

namesilo:


-quote:

Hello Frank,

Your domain, rxxxxxate.com, has just expired. You can still renew the domain for another 31-33 days at the normal renewal price by logging into your account. Your domain may be auctioned on the 31st day. Until you renew the domain, the services related to this domain, such as a web site and email delivery, will not function. If you fail to renew the domain within the next 33 days, and it has not been auctioned, you will be forced to pay the domain restoration fee in order to keep rxxxxxate.com.

You can find more details regarding our expiration process, as well as associated fees, by visiting namesilo.com/Support/Expiration-Process.

You can avoid domain expirations in the future by enabling auto-renewals for your domains and maintaining a valid billing profile, adequate NameSilo account funds or an active PayPal billing agreement. Please visit the renewal manager within your account to learn more.

This will be the final notice that you will receive regarding this domain. If you would like to keep rxxxxxate.com, you should renew it right away.

Thanks,
NameSilo Customer Service

-quote end

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