new gtlds nGTLDs plateauing at 27-29million. Growth RATE has reduced by 90%

[betthelot]

nGTLDs plateauing at 27-29million. Growth RATE has reduced by 90% . 4million regged in first quarter 2016 but less than 300,000 in first two months of 2017.
Lots of free-minimum drops to come, rather than plateauing at 30 million could be the peak and down hill from here.
Clear winner .com and note .click over 60% of sites scanned were spam or harmful to your computer's health, this is the last refugee for many of these strings, even for Frank's vision.

 

[betthelot]

The insane growth rate might slow down.

Thats the point you need to recognise - growth rate has been pathetic. Even FS said that the uptake was so slow thats why hes had to increase prices dramatically to keep the lights on!
ICANN forecasted 30 million by end of 2015. Still not there 14 months later.
And what 12 million plus have been given away. Its awful. Its over. Just some will take longer to realize.

 

[Rick Ace]

By insane growth rate, I'm referring to the fact that these gTLDs made a lot of sales, much more than expected, due to a variety of factors such as the CHIP saga and cheap first year registration. But at the end of the day, you also have huge investment and development also taking place. Some of these extensions (namely xyz and club) are here to stay. They may not live up to their hype and they will have challenges ahead. Nevertheless, that doesn't change the fact that over the past few years there are stable sites being added to .xyz. Recently, the MIIT accreditation suggested that there will be continued xyz usage in China.

I'm not concerned about the 12 million plus that were given away or the forecasts given by ICANN. I only concern myself on predicting what types of domains will last with xyz. And that's what any good investor should do.

For those that are shelling out 50% + of their portfolio on new TLDs, this thread might be a wake up call. For the rest of us, it's just a reminder to invest wisely. What it does not mean is that we conclude that the sky is falling and start running away from extensions based on unrealistic forecasts.

The only forecasts you should care about are your own unbiased, data and knowledge based forecasts. Don't depend on others to do it for you. When you see a forecast, the most valuable piece of information there is the data behind it. The rest is just speculation.

 

[betthelot]

By insane growth rate, I'm referring to the fact that these gTLDs made a lot of sales, much more than expected.
The only forecasts you should care about are your own unbiased, data and knowledge based forecasts. Don't depend on others to do it for you. When you see a forecast, the most valuable piece of information there is the data behind it. The rest is just speculation.

The sales are a lot less than expected, thats why 50% are under water.
Looking at data the 10 single days with most drops has happened in the last 4 months. Growth is stalling rapidly and the data is indicating likely to fall this year.

 

[jmcc]

Recently, the MIIT accreditation suggested that there will be continued xyz usage in China.

There's a slight increase in the number of responding websites but I won't know until later tomorrow or Monday if that has translated in the active websites. The record for Chinese websites in new gTLDs is not good.

I'm not concerned about the 12 million plus that were given away or the forecasts given by ICANN.

I considered ICANN's projections to be the height of folly because the market had shifted when they were not paying attention and they were focused on pre-2010 demand levels.

I only concern myself on predicting what types of domains will last with xyz. And that's what any good investor should do.

The way things are going, investors should be considering ccTLDs including .US ccTLD.

The only forecasts you should care about are your own unbiased, data and knowledge based forecasts. Don't depend on others to do it for you. When you see a forecast, the most valuable piece of information there is the data behind it. The rest is just speculation.

Well I've got the data moreso than most domainers.

Regards...jmcc

 

[betthelot]

this is the latest from frank via twitter
Few get to take these risks. Everybody gets to judge. Wait for the discounts All will b ok

So all will be OK if we keep the faith. Just got to hunt for discounts. Bet end users will love that with the million and one other things they have to worry about. Don't set auto-renew but remember the renewal date and search for a discount code, oh and hope there is a discount code. Hey just keep the faith.
Its over frank with domainers and mass adoption of end users, though you are too smart not to know and geting a few to spend 100s 1000s of dollars per year keeps you out of the red.

 

[jmcc]

I think that Frank might implement some kind of discount scheme for domains with developed sites. It would be a very smart move and could lock in some domains. Though the way it was all handled was a PR nightmare.

Regards...jmcc

 

[betthelot]

Followed by this
and new G's aren't glass or tin bro .. there will be money

to be made by registrants - play for the long term. Ride out bumps.

bumps more like the Himalayas.

 

[dordomai]

Followed by this
and new G's aren't glass or tin bro .. there will be money

to be made by registrants - play for the long term. Ride out bumps.

bumps more like the Himalayas.

well you could counter this saying if there will be money to be made he would have registered or reserved them himself.. I Dont believe a domainer would not reg a valuable domain when available.

 

[Rick Ace]

I think that Frank might implement some kind of discount scheme for domains with developed sites.

Very unlikely. Who sets the criteria for "developed"? Developed sites are usually unwilling to lose their traffic.

Followed by this
and new G's aren't glass or tin bro ..
bumps more like the Himalayas.

This is turning into the quarterly betthelot propaganda report rather than a meaningful discussion of new gTLDs. There has already been a ton of discussion on how to avoid the hype of some of these new gTLDs. But the sad part is that many new domainers will miss the boat on these new gTLDs, because they read a few people rambling on a thread about forecasts that could have never possibly materialized.

 

[jmcc]

Very unlikely. Who sets the criteria for "developed"? Developed sites are usually unwilling to lose their traffic.

Uniregistry. It would be the smart thing to do because it cannot afford to lose developed domains.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Rick Ace]

Uniregistry. It would be the smart thing to do because it cannot afford to lose developed domains.

Regards...jmcc

That sounds a lot more like wishful thinking than a practical business move. If Uniregistry is going to go out and police each domain to check to see if it's truly developed, then kudos to them.

But we're talking about a problem that does not exist here. Developed domains will be renewed. Administrators aren't going to throw their traffic out the window due to one renewal.

 

[Brands.International]

Actually I would like to thank @betthelot for this thread..during last few days I was able to get several amazing new gTLD names, all of them from NP members for prices I never hoped for! This thread works like magic ..so..THANK YOU

PS: I am still buying. In case you would like to get rid of your new gTLD domains and get back to proven and reliable .com investing, please feel free to shoot me a PM, or email me. I am interested only in high quality new gTLD names, secured early with standard renewals. I offer reseller, but fair prices.

 

[jmcc]

That sounds a lot more like wishful thinking than a practical business move. If Uniregistry is going to go out and police each domain to check to see if it's truly developed, then kudos to them.

It could be done.

But we're talking about a problem that does not exist here. Developed domains will be renewed.

Developed domains drop every day.

Administrators aren't going to throw their traffic out the window due to one renewal.

If they are not making money from the site, a big hike in the renewal fee might make them move to another gTLD with price caps.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Rick Ace]

It could be done./QUOTE]

Not worth the effort.

Developed domains drop every day.

It depends on what you consider to be developed. Not every domain with a site is developed. One with a decent userbase isn't likely to be dropped. And if they are dropped, that's why people are here on NP to reg domains.

 

[GoKaizen]

66% losing money, a 12% increase.

http://dottba.com/new-gtld-infographic-2016-year-in-review/

The sales are a lot less than expected, thats why 50% are under water.

 

[betthelot]

This is turning into the quarterly betthelot propaganda report...But the sad part is that many new domainers will miss the boat on these new gTLDs, because they read a few people rambling on a thread about forecasts that could have never possibly materialized.

The great part is I have probably saved people a lot of money. The only reason I started this 14months ago because ALL the blogs were just spouting nGTLD propaganda to keep their advertisers happy, except for one notably exception, domaining tips.
I did this to give balance and when I first suggested some of these strings will fail I got shouted down as an extremist. Now most accept some will fail.

 

[domainer021]

Donuts should buy Radix and Google/Verisign should buy Donuts. The rest will wither away.

 

[betthelot]

And now, the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain
I've loved, I've laughed and cried
I've had my fill my share of losing
And now, as Frank Shilling lies
i feel it all so bemusing.
To think I did regged dot sexy
And may I say - not in a shy way
Oh shit oh not me, Im losing money
And Its only Sunday.......

 

[DNWon]

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

And now, the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain
I've loved, I've laughed and cried
I've had my fill my share of losing
And now, as Frank Shilling lies
i feel it all so bemusing.
To think I did regged dot sexy
And may I say - not in a shy way
Oh sh*t oh not me, Im losing money
And Its only Sunday.......

The end is not even close my friend. when we are in a corn field being beat with baseball bats and buried in our under wear with dust sticking to the blood covering our skin, you can call it the end

Until then the party continues

 

[dordomai]

The end is not even close my friend. when we are in a corn field being beat with baseball bats and buried in our under wear with dust sticking to the blood covering our skin, you can call it the end

Either this or when the renewals are all $299/year.

Until then the party continues

the party continues but the .party is over.

https://namestat.org/party

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Either this or when the renewals are all $299/year.



the party continues but the .party is over.

https://namestat.org/party

Haha what a terrible extension,
.party

 

[betthelot]

Godaddy says no more to Uniregistry

We have stopped registering or transferring Uniregistry domain names into our system. The dramatic price hike Uniregistry announced left us no choice. Until we can assess the impact on our current and potential customers, we have stopped new registrations.

GoDaddy works to deliver a great customer experience. We now have customers who will be paying up to 3,000 percent more for their renewal. That’s an extremely poor customer experience and does not reflect well on the domain name industry in general.

 

[LucidDomains]

Godaddy says no more to Uniregistry

We have stopped registering or transferring Uniregistry domain names into our system. The dramatic price hike Uniregistry announced left us no choice. Until we can assess the impact on our current and potential customers, we have stopped new registrations.

GoDaddy works to deliver a great customer experience. We now have customers who will be paying up to 3,000 percent more for their renewal. That’s an extremely poor customer experience and does not reflect well on the domain name industry in general.

Where was that posted?

 

[betthelot]

Where was that posted?

http://domainnamewire.com/2017/03/13/godaddy-drops-uniregistry-domain-names-due-to-price-hike/