You may NOT register any valuable or potential .es domain...

[Virgil]

I applied for the domain 'diccionario.es' (dictionary) directly at nic.es (so I knew the exact status of my application/order), and it was following the regular registration course (approved [en trámite]). Today I got an email notifying me registration was denied by red.es because practically, NO GENERIC WORD OR TWO WORDS CAN BE REGISTERED. I find this to be a joke. I will request a refund for all of my .es domains if possible, on the grounds that I don't have any more interest in them and my trust in the governing entity for .es domains (red.es) is null at this time, and there's no warranty at all for domains registered. I feel there's no sense of registering a domain when it can be taken away from you at any moment they decide it's a worthy (Valuable) domain. Not even third world countries have such narrow-minded, retrograd policies on domains as this laughable red.es.

The grounds for them denying my application:

"El apartado décimo, letra c) de la Orden CTE/662/2003, de 18 de marzo, establece que no pueden asignarse nombres de dominio que se compongan exclusivamente de un término genérico o de su abreviatura o de una combinación de términos genéricos que designen productos, servicios, establecimientos, sectores, profesiones, actividades, religiones, áreas del saber humano, tecnologías, clases o grupos sociales, enfermedades y cualesquiera otros similares que, atendiendo a su especial relevancia económica, social, científica o cultural, la autoridad de asignación considere asimilables a los anteriores."

The important bits translated:

Domains (cannot be registered that are) composed exclusively of a generic term, or its abbreviation, or a combination of generic terms designating products, services, establishments, sectors, professions, activities, religions, areas of human knowledge, technologies, social clases or groups, diseases and any other similar (terms) that, because of their economic, social, cientific or cultural relevance, are considered as asimilable to the previously mentioned terms by the designation authority (red.es). :sold:

In short, you cannot register any keyword term that has any potential, present or future, commercial or not, because once it proves to have it, it can be legally taken away from you. I guess those guys don't have a clue, and don't understand the internet paradigm at all....

 

[SimpleDomaining]

this is sick!!!! wow. thanks for sharing. Yes. take your money back, if you can (if they will give ) and run from them.

 

[IAmAllanShore]

Looking at the lists in other threads of the .es's registered, it would seem that this "rule" is selectively enforced, yes?
What in your mind caused this to be any different...
-Allan

 

[beano33]

Yes I received over 15 of these on very high premium domains. After having EuroDNS lawyer contact nic.es it ended up that the reason I was DENIED ownership of the domains was cause when I registered I registered as a "Individual" and not a "Company"...I did so myself, because I did not have a NIF since I am not from Spain and thus I thought it would be easier to do personal, BUT due to that I was screwed out o 15 premium domains

There was NO mention that I as a person could not register those domains so I am also VERY upset at how this was handled by nic.es. I was under the impression it was UNRESTRCITED and if they would have made it clear ONLY company registrations were VALID then of course I would have done everything under my company.

And as you said before it seems to be very "selective" enforcement on which domains they consider generic. A very bad idea all around IMO.

 

[Virgil]

I guess the value of this domain in particular was immediately apparent to them. If you read the terms, then it's clear that they can take back any domain once they realise it has potential (ie. if you register the next 'VOIP' today, they could take it from you once it's a widespread term). Basically, you can only register made-up names, or crappy ones. Maybe the health and religion related terms would be ok to reserve, but the other categories? they practically invalidate the registration of any remotely valuable keyword.

 

[beano33]

BTW That text you are seeing is from the OLD .es regulations I believe. The new regulations stats it is "unrestricted"....So I am also puzzled how they can enforce it myself during this new phase. None of it makes sense. I have sent them off 2 emails about it with no response yet. If I get one I will let you know.

virgil..quick question..Did you pre-register the domains as an individual or as your company?

 

[Virgil]

BTW That text you are seeing is from the OLD .es regulations I believe. The new regulations stats it is "unrestricted"....So I am also puzzled how they can enforce it myself during this new phase. None of it makes sense. I have sent them off 2 emails about it with no response yet. If I get one I will let you know.

virgil..quick question..Did you pre-register the domains as an individual or as your company?

Actually, that was cited as the grounds for denial of my registration on an email I got today...

In this particular case, I registered the name as an individual, as I don't have my business registered in Spain. I thought it would be easier/faster.

 

[Monolith]

Would you guys mind sharing the names of the domains you lost? Or at least the first few letters of them? Im wondering if theyve got people just drilling down the list of newly registered names in alphabetical order looking for ones they want to deny.

 

[Smith]

There was NO mention that I as a person could not register those domains so I am also VERY upset at how this was handled by nic.es. I was under the impression it was UNRESTRCITED and if they would have made it clear ONLY company registrations were VALID then of course I would have done everything under my company.

I wonder if they realized they made a mistake going fully "unrestricted" and are looking for Spanish companies to hopefully buy the domains.

 

[xtremest]

That's really veeery strange. Is it true that INDIVIDUALS only may not register valuable domains ? Or any registration (individual or corporate) may be denied or annuled ?

 

[Joe]

i think that they are just being silly, its abit pathetic, if i was you, i'd just not use them. theres plenty of other places.
silly people

 

[Virgil]

i think that they are just being silly, its abit pathetic, if i was you, i'd just not use them. theres plenty of other places.
silly people

The problem is, they're the ultimate authority governing the .es names. They can do the same for any .es name registered anywhere (nic.es, red.es).

As beano33 mentioned, the restriction they're mentioning as grounds for their resolution dates back to 2003....

 

[beano33]

That's really veeery strange. Is it true that INDIVIDUALS only may not register valuable domains ? Or any registration (individual or corporate) may be denied or annuled ?

That is correct..INDIVIDUALS may not be the owners of generic terms as I was also denied for being an INDIVIDUAL. Luckily for me one of the names I pre-registered with another company as a business and was able to still get it. But still quite depressing seeing what my portfolio WOULD have looked like had I not made the small mistake of pre-registering as an individual but as a company

 

[nRnF]

I applied for the domain 'diccionario.es' (dictionary) directly at nic.es (so I knew the exact status of my application/order), and it was following the regular registration course (approved [en trámite]). Today I got an email notifying me registration was denied by red.es because practically, NO GENERIC WORD OR TWO WORDS CAN BE REGISTERED.

If I understnd you post the right way I have some observations.

1) "en tramite" means IN PROCESS, so you never got the domain(s) at a aprooved status.
2) At the spanish registrars you do not have to pay untill 10 days after you are approved, so why refund ?
Or you really got approved and then they took of the domains ?

Basically they take so long, cause they select the applications not only based on their submission order. There is the "resident in spain", "individual or company" and the "trade/servicemark question".
Therefore they have those fields in the applications.

Bottom line is (or at least it smells like this), that eaven if you are at position #10 in the list you may get the domain in front of the others due to the above described information.

 

[beano33]

1) "en tramite" means IN PROCESS, so you never got the domain(s) at a aprooved status.
2) At the spanish registrars you do not have to pay untill 10 days after you are approved, so why refund ?
Or you really got approved and then they took of the domains ?

Here is my understanding after researching quite a bit
1) Yes IF we registered them as a company the domain we be ours. So in essence YES we were approved to get it, then they took it back because we registered as an "Individual"
2) Some require you to prepay for the pre-registrations, so thus I am sure that is what he meant

Just my 2 cents on the situation as i am in the same boat with 15 denials.

 

[Virgil]

If I understnd you post the right way I have some observations.

1) "en tramite" means IN PROCESS, so you never got the domain(s) at a aprooved status.
2) At the spanish registrars you do not have to pay untill 10 days after you are approved, so why refund ?
Or you really got approved and then they took of the domains ?

Basically they take so long, cause they select the applications not only based on their submission order. There is the "resident in spain", "individual or company" and the "trade/servicemark question".
Therefore they have those fields in the applications.

Bottom line is (or at least it smells like this), that eaven if you are at position #10 in the list you may get the domain in front of the others due to the above described information.

It showed as 'en cola' (queued). I then received an official email stating that any other petition had been declined, and therefore, my application was in process of registration, 'en trámite'. Shortly after that I got the rejection email and the status was changed from 'en trámite' to 'DENE' (denied).

A registration request may show one of four status labels:

COLA - En Cola (queued)
DENE - Solicitud Denegada (request denied)
ET - En Trámite (in process)
SOLANT - Desestimada por Solicitudes Anteriores (rejected in favor of earlier requests)

Now, for domains I requested registration directly on nic.es, many show the 'SOLANT' label, meaning I didn't get the name because of an earlier registration request. That's OK, I got a message informing about the earlier request when I made mine. For other domains I requested, and didn't show ANY earlier request, the domains show 'ET' (No registration yet!). I guess I should've used euroDNS for all my pre-registrations. I only used nic.es for the ones I thought were too valuable to risk losing them during pre-registration.

When I mention the domains registered, I mean the ones @ euroDNS.

 

[diddie]

Almost all my premium domains preregged are still in situation "en trámite de resolución". When i preregged them i was the first on the list (no one in that En tramite position), some were regged by some spanish people, most are still in "en trámite de resolución"

 

[xtremest]

So, "en tramite" means really "in process of registration" ?
This is what i see in my account of nic.es
2005-10-26 10:48:48 En Trámite <some premium>.es
So, they do registration more than 20 days ? or from 8th it's now 8 days ?
How can the process of registration take 8 days ?

 

[Virgil]

So, "en tramite" means really "in process of registration" ?
This is what i see in my account of nic.es
2005-10-26 10:48:48 En Trámite <some premium>.es
So, they do registration more than 20 days ? or from 8th it's now 8 days ?
How can the process of registration take 8 days ?

It looks like they are hand-picking the good ones, and letting you register the rest. I don't even know why they use emails. They should be using regular (snail) mail, the way they like to handle things.

 

[Reppy]

Australia used to be like this.

Then after a few years they opened it up to allow it.

While you may not like it, for the country itself, in the long term, it is a good thing.

That's not to say that I'd like it either, to be in the situation that you're in.