analysis World War III

[oldtimer]

I believe that President Biden was right when he said that Russia is going to Invade Ukraine.

Any intelligent person is going to come to the same conclusion knowing that Russia has already decided to pay any price imposed on it by the West through sanctions.

Short of full military confrontation by the West there is nothing that can make Russia to change its mind as they see this as a golden opportunity to resurrect the once powerful superpower that was equal to the USA.

But Russia’s ambitions are not going to stop with taking over Ukraine since it already has made plans to increase its sphere of influence to Asia, Middle East, and South America and perhaps the whole World knowing that the West is most likely not going to do anything beyond just imposing sanctions which ultimately will hurt the West itself by effecting the Global economy in an adverse way the longer that they go on.

I personally don’t like any of the old ideologies, philosophies, and doctrines of Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Religious Fundamentalism and all the other “ism” that are derived from the bad human characteristics of Greed, Lust, Hate, Cruelty, Jealousy, Prejudice, and lack of Empathy and that have been infringing on our rights in one way or another throughout the history because they can only exist through supporting inequality, oppression, suppression, torture, killing, and War.

When it comes to saving the World the last thing that I want to see is the further expansion of these old systems that have all already proven to be a failure in dealing with the existential problems that are currently facing Humanity and the Environment.

We don’t want all these political, Religious, and Racial parties and groups to resurrect their past, we want something new that can propel the World into the next Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that have been derived through Logic and Compassion and not through Force and Violence.

By “We” I mean all the Intelligent, Righteous, and Peace loving people of the World.

IMO

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[bmugford]

A great start would be letting the civilians who want to leave , leave . The Ukraine is in ruins , the civilians who want to leave need a safe exit.

Yep, unfortunately Russia has a terrible track record on that... in Ukraine, in Syria, in Chechnya, etc.

They agree to "humanitarian corridors" then the first chance they get they attack and murder fleeing civilians.

Brad

 

[Mister Funsky]

I know this is not the political thread and I've only got a little time before I have to make a short trip today, but having such a loose cannon (i.e., numerous conflicting statements and actions) as a president at this critical time is bad for us (America) and the world.

Sadly, the person that would have to step in should he continue to decline, although much younger, would not be an improvement.

In the meantime, all sides in Putin's war aren't sure where we stand. May God have mercy on us all.

 

[.X.]

I think at this point it would be wise for Joe Biden to keep his mouth shut and let Russia , Europe and the Middle East work this out ..

 

[.X.]

Yep, unfortunately Russia has a terrible track record on that... in Ukraine, in Syria, in Chechnya, etc.

They agree to "humanitarian corridors" then the first chance they get they attack and murder fleeing civilians.

Brad

Hopefully Putin will change path on the Ukraine civilian population and let the civilians leave freely without any threat of harm to them

 

[Kingslayer]

I’m just reading some more backlash from Biden’s speech today ie:- saying Putin should not stay in power, something Russia are even using as ammo.

But when I think of every crime Russia are doing in Ukraine, genocide/rape/flattening the country to the ground and causing a mass-refugee crisis, why is this even news never mind headlines?

It’s headlines and making news because they know writing more stories about what happening in Ukraine doesn’t have an affect (Putin and Russia doesn’t care what they write), but writing stories what Biden said, something what everyone is saying and thinking, creates shockwaves/apologies and backlash and reporters love that, making powerful people grovel.

 

[Cannuck]

Zelenskyy willing to compromise...

 

[.X.]

I’m just reading some more backlash from Biden’s speech today ie:- saying Putin should not stay in power, something Russia are even using as ammo.

But when I think of every crime Russia are doing in Ukraine, genocide/rape/flattening the country to the ground and causing a mass-refugee crisis, why is this even news never mind headlines?

It’s headlines and making news because they know writing more stories about what happening in Ukraine doesn’t have an effect (Putin and Russia doesn’t care), but writing stories what Biden said, something what everyone is saying and thinking, creates shockwaves/apologies and backlash and reporters love that, making powerful people grovel.

Mainly because we aren’t dealing with a man in Putin that is psychologically stable IMO , directly threatening him is not good IMO , we will see what his comments are on the US and West , no one needs to try and appease Putin, just use tactful speech and definitely don’t threaten him right now

 

[bmugford]

I’m just reading some more backlash from Biden’s speech today ie:- saying Putin should not stay in power, something Russia are even using as ammo.

But when I think of every crime Russia are doing in Ukraine, genocide/rape/flattening the country to the ground and causing a mass-refugee crisis, why is this even news never mind headlines?

It’s headlines and making news because they know writing more stories about what happening in Ukraine doesn’t have an effect (Putin and Russia doesn’t care what they write), but writing stories what Biden said, something what everyone is saying and thinking, creates shockwaves/apologies and backlash and reporters love that, making powerful people grovel.

I am not sure what Biden said that was so confusing. Putin should not be in power, that also doesn't mean the USA is calling for regime change. That is another leap to make.

"In Kind" can means in a proportional response. You can't respond to every hypothetical scenario.

If Biden said exactly what they would do some would attack him for telegraphing the response, or taking options off the table.

When he didn't it somehow became "giving Russia permission" to use chemical weapons.

You could take any president Reagan, Bush, Clinton, W, Obama, Trump, Biden and cherry pick words into something that is easily taken of context.

Some people just want to twist words out of context. If their boy said the exact same thing, they would be bending over backwards to defend them.

It is one thing to be anti-Biden. It is quite another to be anti-American.

A lot of these Putin apologists working tirelessly to spread their disinformation are right on that line.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

Mainly because we aren’t dealing with a man in Putin that is psychologically stable IMO , directly threatening him is not good IMO , we will see what his comments are on the US and West , no one needs to try and appease Putin, just use tactful speech and definitely don’t threaten him right now

Even a better reason he should not be in power then.

Brad

 

[Sutruk]

If there was a way to do this, don't you think that they would have done it by now.

There's clearly a way to do it, but they haven't done it by now.

Since those supplies are not weapons I believe that it would be okay to help them this way.

Putin is deliberately stopping and looting the aid convoys that go to help Mariupol. So what makes you think that he would let those drones to reach Mariupol?
At this step of the war, you should already know that the intention of Putin is to starve and kill as many civilians as possible.

 

[Kingslayer]

Mainly because we aren’t dealing with a man in Putin that is psychologically stable IMO , directly threatening him is not good IMO , we will see what his comments are on the US and West , no one needs to try and appease Putin, just use tactful speech and definitely don’t threaten him right now

So how does saying ‘by god this man cannot remain in power” make Putin more psychologically unstable?

Actually it’s more to do with playing into Putin’s narrative that America are evil and want to change Russia’s way of life and America (a foreign nation) trying to force the choice of the Russian people who they elected even though they don’t have a choice anyway (fixed elections) and everyone knows it, but we have to play along.

Putin is invading a free and sovereign nation and killing innocent people there, Putin is threating the world with his nukes, who cares what he and Russians think right now, what Biden said shouldn't even register on the richter scale compared to what Russia are doing, yet for the last 2 days it's created more shockwaves and made bigger headlines.

Donald Trump said he would send US nuclear submarines to Russian waters if he was still president, this doesn’t make headlines and barely even made news for the same reasons, Trump couldn’t give a shit what the press think, Biden’s administration is a more ‘going by the rule book’ administration compared to the previous and the press know it, hence headlines still 2 days later.

 

[bmugford]

There's clearly a way to do it, but they haven't done it by now.

Putin is deliberately stopping and looting the aid convoys that go to help Mariupol. So what makes you think that he would let those drones to reach Mariupol?
At this step of the war, you should already know that the intention of Putin is to starve and kill as many civilians as possible.

It reminds me of what other warlords do, like Mohamed Farrah Aidid in Somalia. He blocked humanitarian aid from reaching the people. The same thing is now happening in Ukraine.

Brad

 

[.X.]

So how does saying ‘by god this man cannot remain in power” make Putin more psychologically unstable?

Actually it’s more to do with playing into Putin’s narrative that America are evil and want to change Russia’s way of life and America (a foreign nation) trying to force the choice of the Russian people who they elected even though they don’t have a choice anyway (fixed elections) and everyone knows it, but we have to play along.

Putin is invading a free and sovereign nation and killing innocent people there, Putin is threating the world with his nukes, who cares what he and Russians think right now, what Biden said shouldn't even register on the richter scale compared to what Russia are doing, yet for the last 2 days it's created more shockwaves and made bigger headlines.

Donald Trump said he would send US nuclear submarines to Russian waters if he was still president, this doesn’t make headlines and barely even made news for the same reasons, Trump couldn’t give a shit what the press think, Biden’s administration is a more ‘going by the rule book’ administration compared to the previous and the press know it, hence headlines still 2 days later.

I am not saying I am right , just my opinion on how a person who is most likely very mentally unstable should be spoken to .

 

[wwwulff]

 

[mr-x]

I’m just reading some more backlash from Biden’s speech today ie:- saying Putin should not stay in power, something Russia are even using as ammo.

But when I think of every crime Russia are doing in Ukraine, genocide/rape/flattening the country to the ground and causing a mass-refugee crisis, why is this even news never mind headlines?

It’s headlines and making news because they know writing more stories about what happening in Ukraine doesn’t have an affect (Putin and Russia doesn’t care what they write), but writing stories what Biden said, something what everyone is saying and thinking, creates shockwaves/apologies and backlash and reporters love that, making powerful people grovel.

Americans don't want a open ground war with another nuclear power. I don't want my grandsons dying in the Ukraine or Russia because a mentally compromised President got carried away mugging for the camera.

We need diplomacy, not emotional outburst.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

Biden’s administration is a more ‘going by the rule book’ administration compared to the previous and the press know it, hence headlines still 2 days later.

Is there anyone that wonders what "President Harris" would say to Putin? The Biden message probably would be considered very mild in comparison.
She is a former Attorney General, and not afraid to be direct and forceful in her message.

 

[.X.]

Even a better reason he should not be in power then.

Brad

I agree , but get him out of power with out a nuclear spectacular occurring

 

[oldtimer]

So what makes you think that he would let those drones to reach Mariupol?

Even if only half of those drones get through to deliver food, water, and medicine to the starving people in the besieged Cities that's better than doing nothing.

At this time you got to try all the options that are considered peaceful.

IMO

 

[oldtimer]

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says a meeting between President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky to exchange views on the war in Ukraine right now, would be "counterproductive".

The current talks are taking place at the lower levels between the representatives of Ukraine and Russia in Turkey.

The fact that Ukraine has expressed its willingness to consider becoming Neutral and making some compromises on the status of the Donbas region is a positive sign.

I hope they can build on that and arrive at an agreement to have a ceasefire and be able to provide humanitarian aid to the civilians that are trapped in Mariupol and the other besieged Cities.

IMO

 

[mr-x]

So how does saying ‘by god this man cannot remain in power” make Putin more psychologically unstable?

1) Meaningless emotional threats only make Biden and America look weak.

2) It makes a diplomatic solution harder to negotiate.

3) Neither the USA or NATO has been attacked, Biden has no authority to enter a war.

4) American troops in Poland are there to deter attacks and has the additional benefit of protecting supply lines to Ukraine.

If Putin believe the USA will attack Russia, he will strike American troops and supply lines in Poland first, expanding the war.

You may think America or NATO attacking Russia would help Ukraine but it will likely cause China's military to escalate their expansion.

The Chinese have built islands in the South China Sea to control access to the area, and are negotiating to build naval bases in south America. What do you think they would happen to Taiwan?

Actually it’s more to do with playing into Putin’s narrative that America are evil and want to change Russia’s way of life and America (a foreign nation) trying to force the choice of the Russian people who they elected even though they don’t have a choice anyway (fixed elections) and everyone knows it, but we have to play along.

Putin is invading a free and sovereign nation and killing innocent people there, Putin is threating the world with his nukes, who cares what he and Russians think right now, what Biden said shouldn't even register on the richter scale compared to what Russia are doing, yet for the last 2 days it's created more shockwaves and made bigger headlines.

Donald Trump said he would send US nuclear submarines to Russian waters if he was still president, this doesn’t make headlines and barely even made news for the same reasons, Trump couldn’t give a shit what the press think, Biden’s administration is a more ‘going by the rule book’ administration compared to the previous and the press know it, hence headlines still 2 days later.

1) Trump isn't President.

2) The USA lready has nuclear submarines near Russia.

3) Trump didn't threaten to "remove" aka, assassinate Putin.

4) sTop TaLkIng AbOuT tRuMp.