analysis World War III

[oldtimer]

I believe that President Biden was right when he said that Russia is going to Invade Ukraine.

Any intelligent person is going to come to the same conclusion knowing that Russia has already decided to pay any price imposed on it by the West through sanctions.

Short of full military confrontation by the West there is nothing that can make Russia to change its mind as they see this as a golden opportunity to resurrect the once powerful superpower that was equal to the USA.

But Russia’s ambitions are not going to stop with taking over Ukraine since it already has made plans to increase its sphere of influence to Asia, Middle East, and South America and perhaps the whole World knowing that the West is most likely not going to do anything beyond just imposing sanctions which ultimately will hurt the West itself by effecting the Global economy in an adverse way the longer that they go on.

I personally don’t like any of the old ideologies, philosophies, and doctrines of Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Religious Fundamentalism and all the other “ism” that are derived from the bad human characteristics of Greed, Lust, Hate, Cruelty, Jealousy, Prejudice, and lack of Empathy and that have been infringing on our rights in one way or another throughout the history because they can only exist through supporting inequality, oppression, suppression, torture, killing, and War.

When it comes to saving the World the last thing that I want to see is the further expansion of these old systems that have all already proven to be a failure in dealing with the existential problems that are currently facing Humanity and the Environment.

We don’t want all these political, Religious, and Racial parties and groups to resurrect their past, we want something new that can propel the World into the next Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that have been derived through Logic and Compassion and not through Force and Violence.

By “We” I mean all the Intelligent, Righteous, and Peace loving people of the World.

IMO

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[Kingslayer]

Before you start simping for Biden... read something besides MSNBC and CNN. Lot's of you want the USA to go to war with Russia, that would be a human catastrophe.

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Is a Trump supporter seriously using Google to try and spin Biden's speech as being a disaster? What Biden said yesterday came from heart, was powerful and sent out a message, it's just a shame that the press have picked up on just 1 part of this speech.

Trump came out with crap that made headlines in a controversial way several times an hour for 4 years, so don't even go there with that.

What we saw yesterday was a proper president's speech and was better than any speech Trump came out with in 4 years, i say this as a non-American and as a Brit who Joe Biden (like Obama) as no real love for, Trump actually had a close relationship with the UK, but i don't care about that, what i care about is world security and Trump no longer being in the White House resulted in a more stable world for 2 years prior to this conflict and if this conflict happened under Trump's watch, we'd be in a world of shit right now, as seen by his comments what he would do if still president (ie sending American nuclear submarines into Russian waters).

So count your lucky stars that Trump is no longer POTUS and that you and a few other members of Trumps cult can still think the guy is great, as bonkers as that sounds to me, because if he was POTUS there's a chance you'd be in a bunker right now, if still alive. So i'd rather you and a few others think he's great, than actually having the guy in the White House, I'll worry about that prospect again in a couple of years.

 

[mr-x]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508079499216396288

 

[oldtimer]

Before you start simping for Biden... read something besides MSNBC and CNN. Lot's of you want the USA to go to war with Russia, that would be a human catastrophe.

We all know that the President has misspoken on a few occasions, many other Presidents have done the same in the past, Presidents are humans and as such are not perfect, even Russia understands that hence the fact that all Countries seek clarification on important issues when it looks like there might have been a misunderstanding.

Under ordinary conditions it’s understandable that as a political pundits you might actually like to see the President have these kind of gaffs so that you can use them in your political advantage, but if you are at all concerned about the future of Humanity and our Home Planet then you should put all these internal political bickering aside utill the next election and for now try to help create a stronger stance for America.

And keep in mind that I say this for any president during War times regardless of politics.

IMO

 

[mr-x]

Is a Trump supporter seriously using Google to try and spin Biden's speech as being a disaster? What Biden said yesterday came from heart, was powerful and sent out a message, it's just a shame that the press have picked up on just 1 part of this speech.

I'm an American and don't want the USA to be involved in endless war.

His speech was a disaster, you refuse to judge it objectively because you want American to fight in this war.

Trump came out with crap that made headlines in a controversial way several times an hour for 4 years, so don't even go there with that.

Controversy was created by the media. Most of it was fake.

What we saw yesterday was a proper president's speech and was better than any speech Trump came out with in 4 years, i say this as a non-American and as a Brit who Joe Biden (like Obama) as no real love for, Trump actually had a close relationship with the UK, but i don't care about that, what i care about is world security and Trump no longer being in the White House created a more stable world for 2 years prior to this conflict and if this conflict happened under Trump's watch, we'd be in a world of shit right now, as seen by his comments what he would do if still president (ie sending American nuclear submarines into Russian waters).

Count your lucky stars that Trump is no longer POTUS and that you can still think the guy is great, as bonkers as that sounds to me, because if he was POTUS there's a chance you'd be in a bunker right now, if still alive. So i'd rather you and a few others think he's great, than actually having the guy in the White House, I'll worry about that prospect again in a couple of years.

Like I said, if it was so great, why are the White House and State Dept working so hard to walk it all back.

 

[mr-x]

We all know that the President has misspoken on a few occasions, many other Presidents have done the same in the past, Presidents are humans and as such are not perfect, even Russia understands that hence the fact that all Countries seek clarification on important issues when it looks like there might have been a misunderstanding.

Under ordinary conditions it’s understandable that as a political pundits you might actually like to see the President have these kind of gaffs so that you can use them in your political advantage, but if you are at all concerned about the future of Humanity and our Home Planet then you should put all these internal political bickering aside utill the next election and for now try to help create a stronger stance for America.

IMO

Name one other President who got carried away and "accidentally" called for the removal / death of the leader of a country with nuclear weapons.

 

[mr-x]

So count your lucky stars that Trump is no longer POTUS and that you and a few other members of Trumps cult can still think the guy is great, as bonkers as that sounds to me,

I don't like Trump but he was better than the alternative and his policies were surprisingly GOOD for America. Trump not only ended the war in Iraq, he started the task of leaving AF.

because if he was POTUS there's a chance you'd be in a bunker right now, if still alive. So i'd rather you and a few others think he's great, than actually having the guy in the White House, I'll worry about that prospect again in a couple of years.

You're facts are ass backward because you listen to the media instead of assessing actual events for yourself.

FYI, Trump was the first president in over 40 years to actually REDUCE poverty and INCREASE middle classes wages in the USA.

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Vice President Joe Biden has been "wrong on most foreign policy issues" in the past 40 years - Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates under President Obama

 

[oldtimer]

Name one other President who got carried away and "accidentally" called for the removal / death of the leader of a country with nuclear weapons.

I understand the seriousness of this situation, but as I said even Russia knows that he misspoke.

So instead of adding fuel to this ( like some of the news channels are doing to increase their ratings) we should let it go and focus on the more important issues that need our immediate attention like getting the peace talks going again.

Everyone should save their energy for the next election, for now lets try to save the World so that we all get to live to see another election.

IMO

 

[mr-x]

I understand the seriousness of this situation, but as I said even Russia knows that he misspoke.

Like he misspoke when he said the USA would not react to a minor incursion into Ukraine by Russia?

So instead of adding fuel to this ( like some of the news channels are doing to increase their ratings) we should let it go and focus on the more important issues that need our immediate attention like getting the peace talks going again.

We are in this situation in part because Joe Biden is a corrupt, incompetent leader who partnered with Putin to negotiate with Iran.

Putin ( and Iran ) both guessed Biden would sit on his hands because he wanted a nuclear deal with Iran more than he cared bout Ukraine.

The ONLY reason Biden in doing anything meaningful for Ukraine is because of Pressure by the EU and NATO allies and public sentiment.

Everyone should save their energy for the next election, for now lets try to save the World so that we all get live to see another election.

IMO

Why don't you object to people praising Biden for what amount to threatening war with a nuclear power but save your scolding for people who thinks that's bad.

 

[oldtimer]

Like he misspoke when he said the USA would not react to a minor incursion into Ukraine by Russia?


We are in this situation in part because Joe Biden is a corrupt, incompetent leader who partnered with Putin to negotiate with Iran.

Putin ( and Iran ) both guessed Biden would sit on his hands because he wanted a nuclear deal with Iran more than he cared bout Ukraine.

The ONLY reason Biden in doing anything meaningful for Ukraine is because of Pressure by the EU and NATO allies and public sentiment.



Why don't you object to people praising Biden for what amount to threatening war with a nuclear power but save your scolding for people who thinks that's bad.

We are in this situation basically because of the differences in the philosophies between the Left and the Right when it comes to whether or not America should use force in far corners around the World to protect and advance freedom and democracy.

Abandoning the people of Afghanistan and leaving them at the mercy of religious extremists gave the wrong message to everyone else who wanted to bully others.

But what is done is done and can not be changed easily, the important thing now is to not turn our backs to the Universal Principles and Values that are derived through Logic and Compassion and to work towards creating a more permanent peace and security for the World.

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

Name one other President who got carried away and "accidentally" called for the removal / death of the leader of a country with nuclear weapons.

Not exactly calling for leadership removal, but President Trump threatened to destroy North Korea in his first address to the United Nations. Then IIRC, he called Kim J a 'great guy'...go figure?

“Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime,” Trump told the gathering of world leaders and ambassadors.

“No nation on Earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles,” he said.

“The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea.”

https://time.com/4947942/trump-totally-destroy-threatens-north-korea-un-speech-transcript/

Hindsight is 20-20, but if we're able to see through the politics and how those events have led up to and bolstered the Ukraine war, perhaps those 'in the know' might somehow concoct a solution to avoid a full-scale world war. That is my hope anyway.

 

[Sutruk]

Vladimir Putin has repeatedly sought to justify the invasion of Ukraine, as well as the previous annexation of Crimea in 2014, as a mission to defend the country’s Russian speakers.

How cynical and lier Putin must be to say that, when he is precisely exterminating the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine (most of them are in the most hitted cities in the East and South like Mariupol, Kharkiv and Kherson).

The russian Hitler wants to completely exterminate ukrainians whatever they speak, even if he has to completely destroy every building of the cities and kill every civilian, because he is a complete mass murderer.

 

[Sutruk]

Not exactly calling for leadership removal, but President Trump threatened to destroy North Korea in his first address to the United Nations. Then IIRC, he called Kim J a 'great guy'...go figure?

Trump is a wannabe dictator, so the only "leaders" he has admired have been Putin and North Korea Kim. The North Korea one is a "great guy" and the russian Hitler is a "genius" for Trump.

 

[mr-x]

Not exactly calling for leadership removal, but President Trump threatened to destroy North Korea in his first address to the United Nations. Then IIRC, he called Kim J a 'great guy'...go figure?

“Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime,” Trump told the gathering of world leaders and ambassadors.

“No nation on Earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles,” he said.

“The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea.”

https://time.com/4947942/trump-totally-destroy-threatens-north-korea-un-speech-transcript/

Hindsight is 20-20, but if we're able to see through the politics and how those events have led up to and bolstered the Ukraine war, perhaps those 'in the know' might somehow concoct a solution to avoid a full-scale world war. That is my hope anyway.

Trump is a wannabe dictator, so the only "leaders" he has admired have been Putin and North Korea Kim. The North Korea one is a "great guy" and the russian Hitler is a "genius" for Trump.

OK. You've both reached your daily limit complaining about Trump.

BTW, Trump being a bad human being does not make Biden's horrible incompetence ( or incontinence ) better.

 

[mr-x]

https://time.com/4947942/trump-totally-destroy-threatens-north-korea-un-speech-transcript/

This was an actual strategy, not a gaff by an over exuberant bullshitter playing to the crowd.

You can make excuses and blame others or you can accept reality.

 

[redemo]

Don't you just love humans? Getting all involved in these petty political squabbles while missing the impending existential danger. Anyone who isn't prepper-level prepared for the tsunamis, floods, winds and storms deserves what's coming or have ALLOWED YOURSELVES to be brainwashed into a false sense of security by Walmart and Apple. You are all ignoring the environmental perils ahead. You (we) are all complicit in the environmental calamity which is on our doorstep. Vladimir Putin is nothing but a raindrop on the window compared to what lies ahead, and you'll all ignore it and deride it until it's on your doorstep. Planetary destruction is coming. Let's hope the escape spaceships let you on board or the underground bunkers let you inside. Otherwise it's asta la vista for you, baby!

 

[mr-x]

Not exactly calling for leadership removal, but President Trump threatened to destroy North Korea in his first address to the United Nations. Then IIRC, he called Kim J a 'great guy'...go figure?

“Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime,” Trump told the gathering of world leaders and ambassadors.

“No nation on Earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles,” he said.

“The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea.”

https://time.com/4947942/trump-totally-destroy-threatens-north-korea-un-speech-transcript/

Hindsight is 20-20, but if we're able to see through the politics and how those events have led up to and bolstered the Ukraine war, perhaps those 'in the know' might somehow concoct a solution to avoid a full-scale world war. That is my hope anyway.

President Trump was the first American President to get the dictator of north Korea to leave his country for a peace negotiation.

At the time, Kim had been testing nuclear weapons and launching ballistic missiles at Japan. Trump's braggadocios diplomacy and flattering speeches were a carrot and stick motivation.

Also... if you were not an ideologue you would acknowledge that relations with north Korea improved under Trump's leadership and Japan was much safer.

 

[Kingslayer]

I don't like Trump but he was better than the alternative and his policies were surprisingly GOOD for America.

That's exactly it, he was good ‘for America’ and his whole policy was screw the world, screw things like climate change, it’s a hoax created by China to damage American companies.

Don’t get me wrong some part of me would cheer for this guy if I was American and I heard things like ‘America first’ ‘build a wall’, but then again I don't think I would fall into that trap, nazi Germany grew on similar principles to trumpism blaming jews for a lot of problems within Germany, look how that turned out, Putin also as a 'Russia first policy' look what’s happening in Ukraine and look just how Trumps ‘America first’ presidency ended, it ended by racists/extremists storming the capitol because that’s the sort of people nationalism attracts, it always end in chaos.

You're facts are ass backward because you listen to the media instead of assessing actual events for yourself.

You are wrong, my memories of Donald Trump wasn’t from the press, it was from the horse’s mouth via his Twitter, I was big fan of House of Cards, but that stopped being entertaining during Trumps presidency because each and every single day was more chaotic/more controversial and more corrupt than an episode of House of Cards, I used to love reading his Twitter, it was bonkers yet this was the POTUS I’m not sure if it is but I believe his Twitter should be archived so generations in the future can read through it and say ‘how did this guy become POTUS?’

This is a man who would fix every election if he could, this is a man who would change America’s presidential constitution to stay in power for the next 16 years if he could and jail political opponents. This is a man who threatened to nuke another country via Twitter, threatened airstrikes on another country via Twitter, this is a man who contemplated invading Venezuela, this is a man who got the hump on because Denmark would sell him Greenland, this is a man who said people should drink bleech to cure covid and other controversial treatments not medically approved, a man who after getting over covid wanted to pull open his shirt to show a superman logo underneath, who shared pictures of his face photoshopped on Rocky Balboas body via Twitter, this is a man who said with power and money you can do what you want to women ‘grab em by the pussy, anything' and was associates with Epstein, this is a man who said the UK should sue the EU, this is a man who nearly broke up NATO, a man who (as said) thought climate change was an hoax, these are just things from memory, you’d be here all day with Trumps controversy and how did it all end? It ended him him screaming ‘STOP THE COUNT’ because the election wasn’t going his way and his supporters stormed Capitol Hill.

Even him campaigning for a 2nd term was nuts, he had this guys

Doing a speech why people should vote for Trump 2020. Even had Rita Repulsa from the Power Rangers.

And again I also remind you Donald Trump said he would send America’s nuclear submarines into Russian waters if he was still president.

 

[mr-x]

That's exactly it, he was good ‘for America’ and his whole policy was screw the world, screw things like climate change, it’s a hoax created by China to damage American companies.

Don’t get me wrong some part of me would cheer for this guy if I was American and I heard things like ‘America first’ ‘build a wall’, but then again I don't think I would fall into that trap, nazi Germany grew on similar principles to trumpism blaming jews for a lot of problems within Germany, look how that turned out, Putin also as a 'Russia first policy' look what’s happening in Ukraine and look just how Trumps ‘America first’ presidency ended, it ended by racists/extremists storming the capitol because that’s the sort of people nationalism attracts, it always end in chaos.


You are wrong, my memories of Donald Trump wasn’t from the press, it was from the horse’s mouth via his Twitter, I was big fan of House of Cards, but that stopped being entertaining during Trumps presidency because each and every single day was more chaotic/more controversial and more corrupt than an episode of House of Cards, I used to love reading his Twitter, it was bonkers yet this was the POTUS I’m not sure if it is but I believe his Twitter should be archived so generations in the future can read through it and say ‘how did this guy become POTUS?’

This is a man who would fix every election if he could, this is a man who would change America’s presidential constitution to stay in power for the next 16 years if he could and jail political opponents. This is a man who threatened to nuke another country via Twitter, threatened airstrikes on another country via Twitter, this is a man who contemplated invading Venezuela, this is a man who got the hump on because Denmark would sell him Greenland, this is a man who said people should drink bleech to cure covid and other controversial treatments not medically approved, a man who after getting over covid wanted to pull open his shirt to show a superman logo underneath, who shared pictures of his face photoshopped on Rocky Balboas body via Twitter, this is a man who said with power and money you can do what you want to women ‘grab em by the pussy, anything' and was associates with Epstein, this is a man who said the UK should sue the EU, this is a man who nearly broke up NATO, a man who (as said) thought climate change was an hoax, these are just things from memory, you’d be here all day with Trumps controversy and how did it all end? It ended him him screaming ‘STOP THE COUNT’ because the election wasn’t going his way and his supporters stormed Capitol Hill.

If you took 1 hour to investigate Joe Biden and his family, you'd be ashamed. If you were honest that is.

Even him campaigning for a 2nd term was nuts, he had this guys

These two private property owners who don't know how to hold a gun are DEMOCRAT lawyers. Absolutely nothing to do with Trump.

Doing a speech why people should vote for Trump 2020. Even had Rita Repulsa from the Power Rangers.

And again I also remind you Donald Trump said he would send America’s nuclear submarines into Russian waters if he was still president.

You've been manipulated, left uniformed and prejudiced.

 

[Cannuck]

OK. You've both reached your daily limit complaining about Trump.

Condescending much? Those were statements he made and this is an analysis thread.

 

[mr-x]

Condescending much? Those were statements he made and this is an analysis thread.

It's called sarcasm.