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Why I love end-users bringing up GTLD alternatives...

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In the last couple of months, I've had a couple of people try to bring up other TLDs during negotiations. One was for .blog another was .io

I find these so easy to rebuttal that I now almost welcome these "gTLD" objections. It opens a door for me to better elaborate on the value of my domain.

For the .io guy, who told me he can get the same name on .io for $30, I sent him a link to the sale of Agario.com, a domain that once had next to no liquid value or type-ins, now gets a ton of free traffic, and sold for $10K in an auction simply because of the popularity of Agar.io. I sincerely wished him the best of luck with the popularity of new project using .io. In response he increased his offer substantially than his initial lowball (which was still less than what I would consider, he was a small-time app developer and just didn't have the budget). Till this day, the .io version of my domain remains unregistered. He probably opted for another .com within his budget.

For the .blog guy, I replied the same, but this time also referred him to Twitch.com which was acquired by Amazon after acquiring Twitch.tv, and also educated him on the fact that there was no way that the keyword.blog equivalent of my domain was going to be available for a standard regfee (it's a 3-letter 1-word), it'll be either taken by another investor or have a premium renewal, not to mention increase the value of my domain should his blog become a success. They emailed me a week later with a higher offer, again one I don't care to accept.

So just a word of advice when negotiating, gTLDs make your domains more valuable folks, not less. People just have budgets to work with and have new options to settle for, and for those who settle and find a gtld will help them be looked at as "innovators" and will "stand out" - Go right ahead, you're driving up traffic and demand for a keyword or phrase available on thousands of other extensions, including the .com that is sitting there getting more traffic than it originally did, waiting to be purchased, likely by another innovator with a bigger budget.
 
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Source w3techs.com

Historical trends in the usage of top level domains for websites

This report shows the historical trends in the usage of top level domains since August 2015.

1 Aug 2015 1 Aug 2016
.com 50.8% 50.6% 50.5% 50.3% 50.1% 49.8% 49.7% 49.6% 49.5% 49.4% 49.3% 49.1% 49.0% 48.9%
 
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Of course not, ccTLDs were added to the root between 1985 and the early 1990s. Some like .us .uk are as old as .com. There was no domain market then.

The strings that are created today are purely artificial and not even backed up by meaningful demand.

PS:

Source: http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/lowdown/2009/dailyposts/04-30-09.htm

Doesn't matter when cctlds were added, it's still a keyword money grab per your opinion and nothing different than new gTLDs.

Your position is clear, anything is a keyword ICANN money grab as you stated other than what .com?

You're really going back into the time machine now, if I'm correct I'm thinking .us had restrictions back then. :)
 
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ccTLDs were never designed as a money grab when they were created. Although a few like .tv .co .me were repurposed.
I don't have a problem with the old strings. I think it's the new strings that are useless and even harmful. Think of the stuff like .mobi .tel, they are now zombie TLDs and the root zone is littered with garbage.

PS .us was opened to the public in 2002 but still has restrictions.

You confirmed my point, .us can't be used in your first example therefore less merit can be taken from the the rest.

Let's see how it all pans out Kate, me nor you have a clue, do we?

Therefore we agree to disagree... :)
 
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ICANN did not create country codes as a money grab, ICANN was not even created when they were delegated. IANA oversaw their rollout, every country in the world wanted their piece of the web.

IANA is responsible for determining an appropriate trustee for each ccTLD. Administration and control is then delegated to that trustee, which is responsible for the policies and operation of the domain. The current delegation can be determined from IANA's list of ccTLDs. Individual ccTLDs may have varying requirements and fees for registering subdomains. There may be a local presence requirement (for instance, citizenship or other connection to the ccTLD), as for example the Canadian (ca) and German (de) domains, or registration may be open.

The first registered ccTLD were .us, .uk, and .il, all registered in 1985. In 1986, .au, .de, .fi, .fr, .jp, .kr, .nl and .se were registered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain

Further reading: https://icannwiki.com/CcTLD

If new gTLD's are considered a money grab then cctlds would too, in today's time of course. ;)
 
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This still missed the point. The question was if the string launched was really needed or if it was launched to make money only. Even if a ccTLD opens up that doesn't change the fact that it was launched because it had a real purpose not a money grab.

Nope spot on, I was replying to Kate's reply that gTLDs are a money grab. All cctlds that opened up to people like me, later, that would be a money grab too. Had to be approved by ICANN for more keyword regs within their extension, rule changes.

No debate there...
 
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Nope spot on, I was replying to Kate's reply that gTLDs are a money grab. All cctlds that opened up to people like me, later, that would be a money grab too. Had to be approved by ICANN for more keyword regs within their extension.

No debate there...

ccTLDs are not a money grab because they fullfill a real purpose and the main purpose is not to make money but to provide a local country extension.

The main purpose of nTLDs was to make money for ICANN and registry investors.

https://www.dynadot.com/domain/search.html?domain=crap.live&search=
 
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A one-word domain that will leak traffic to the .com, never the other way around unless it's from curious investors or others "in-the-know", how does that not make it inferior at least from a marketing stand-point?
 
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what generations? Those born in 2016? Millennials have been conditioned to use .com



It is two words. You have to remember 2 words not 1. If I tell you TRADING you can try visiting the .com but you don't know what other word is.

TRADING.BLOG requires you to memorize 2 words not 1.

Why is it more specific? The information in the string is exactly the same.

TRADING.sx is a one word domain too but it doesn't have any value.

what generations? Those born in 2016? Millennials have been conditioned to use .com

Not necessary ...

TRADING.BLOG requires you to memorize 2 words not 1

But is a ONE word domain, not a TWO words domain ...
 
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Doesn't matter when cctlds were added, it's still a keyword money grab per your opinion and nothing different than new gTLDs.

Your position is clear, anything is a keyword ICANN money grab as you stated other than what .com?

You're really going back into the time machine now, if I'm correct I'm thinking .us had restrictions back then. :)


as for .de thats utter nonsense
 
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]what generations? Those born in 2016? Millennials have been conditioned to use .com

Not necessary ...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/teen-angst/201601/top-five-social-networking-sites-used-teens

Top Five Social Networking Sites Used by Teens

1. Facebook.com
2. Instagram.com
3.Snapchat.com
4.Twitter.com
5.plus.google.com

They grew up with .com like anyone else.

TRADING.BLOG requires you to memorize 2 words not 1

But is a ONE word domain, not a TWO words domain

It doesn't matter it is still two words that are needed to construct it.
 
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yes when millennials retire...
Even if you’re on the right track, you’ll get run over if you just sit there.
—Will Rogers—
 
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And again - you will not get any significant traffic on your .COMs if HUGE traffic is absent on donor...
So whole story is just some case but not a rule to avoid other TLDs.
 
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Also, it depends on length... type-in on medium and long .COMs is weak or even ~0.
 
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6L.com and HUGE donor are mentioned here, so nothing special if it receives type-in...
 
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p.s. Relatively a small number of endusers are doing websites for mass usage...
So .com is not critical for them at all. And their defensive purchases are usually low $x,xxx and no more than $5K.
 
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OMG! Why there is an even a question of which product and services are produce to make money. Either small or big money making service or product; there are all for business purpose! Meaning product and services are produce to make money.period. Wow and Wow!
 
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for small biz ppl, blogger and seos and etc. cctld and NewGTLd are the best option to get emd domain for easy optimization! but for company using NewTLd, I can tell the future of his business are in danger! I am not fan of dot com! and also , I am not NewTld hater! but unfortunately every time I heard some advertisement and want to check their site, most of the times, I always type dot COm! so, I can't imagine if they advertise his website using new TLD , I am sure millions of ppl will go to dot com extension!
but for ppl that just want to rank and bank without advertisement or what so ever, I don't think dot com are necessary! cause most of the time, I can easily smack dot com, without having any difficulty at all! so dot com only goes for big company, but small pll, dot com are no needed, unless you want to spend 5 figure! ,
 
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Right now an end user is using the "gtld alternatives" to drive the price of my .com lower :xf.smile:

For some reason, it's fun !
 
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