Why are You not Invested in LLLL dot Com?

[bro]

I am not addressing to those who already hold good number of LLLL dot coms..

I have been spending time in appraisal forum just to see what sort of domains people are buying and reading appraisals just to get to know more about domain names ... I have noticed many of the people are brining in some too creative domain names (yep too creative and sometimes too long) and appraisals suggest they are regfee and nothing much ...

why dont you buy LLLL dot com which guarantee you at least a little profit no matter how ugly the name is .. see in namepros auction each name is going in more than regfee ..

are you still not sure about value of LLLL dot com?


Still there are many four letter domain names left which are good enough to get you $20 at least just after registration (small profit for newbies and +1 trade rank) and if you keep them for some time then more profit for sure ...


Ps- English is my second language, I tried to elaborate my point addressing newbies like me ( comments welcome from senior members and all )

 

[italiandragon]

I agree, but you know....every newbie needs to experience mistakes to learn how to avoid them.

 

[gazzip]

I'm not going to invest in them as I think that unless A) the domain is EASY to pronounce or B) there are a decent range of useable acronyms for it which are also taken in other extensions then I think they will just end up either being dropped or circulating around resellers.

When the Buzz moves on to other things like the .asia etc and whatever else comes up then I beleive alot of the current interest will dissapear.

I don't see much chance of them running out anytime soon, A LLL.com has so many more potential uses than a LLLL.com IMO


JMO - I very well may be wrong but thats just how I see it.


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[deleted984054565403]

I'm not going to invest in them as I think that unless A) the domain is EASY to pronounce or B) there are a decent range of useable acronyms for it which are also taken in other extensions then I think they will just end up either being dropped or circulating around resellers.

When the Buzz moves on to other things like the .asia etc and whatever else comes up then I beleive alot of the current interest will dissapear.

I don't see much chance of them running out anytime soon, A LLL.com has so many more potential uses than a LLLL.com IMO


JMO - I very well may be wrong but thats just how I see it.


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I'd have to agree with that. Ultimately, I don't think they'll hold a resale value of very much because there are just so many (456,976 LLLL .com), most of which aren't even usable for the reasons gazzip mentioned.

Despite all the buzz, there are too many left available -- according to dyyo.com, there are over 20,000 remaining. There won't be a "big buyout" until there are only a few hundred remaining, and even then, they'll drop regularly.

I'd rather invest my time and money into a domain like "examp.com" rather than "qwzj.com". From a practical standpoint, the number of letters usually doesn't matter or make a domain more usable.

 

[italiandragon]

I'd have to agree with that. Ultimately, I don't think they'll hold a resale value of very much because there are just so many (456,976 LLLL .com), most of which aren't even usable for the reasons gazzip mentioned.

Despite all the buzz, there are too many left available -- according to dyyo.com, there are over 20,000 remaining. There won't be a "big buyout" until there are only a few hundred remaining, and even then, they'll drop regularly.

I'd rather invest my time and money into a domain like "examp.com" rather than "qwzj.com". From a practical standpoint, the number of letters usually doesn't matter or make a domain more usable.

you are a nice guy, but now I`ll have to use your thread as example , anytime I`ll see a QXYK.com sell for $100 so get ready....because if it does not happen in 2008 , then it will in 2009.

And I`ll tell you more: I`m deeply convinced that if the .com boom continues as I think it will for another 10 years, the LLLL.com will raise up to $1,000 each in 5 years after the buy out, while LLL.com will go up to $50K-$100K.

I wonder how many people, back in 2005, could bet on a minimun value of $3,000 for QXY.com in 2007.

 

[HiSoC8Y]

I agree with ItalianDragon

I think their value will increase. I personally grab any LLLL.com i find.

If the reg fee is $8/year, then for 10 years, i'll pay $80. and if i have 100 names, thats $8,000 reg fee cost for 10 years.

if i sell each for $1000 after 10 years, then thats 100,000 - $8,000 the cost, well, i would make $92,000.

of course, all this is with the assumption that what ItalianDragon said comes true.
i think its a good investment.

 

[johntv]

And I`ll tell you more: I`m deeply convinced that if the .com boom continues as I think it will for another 10 years, the LLLL.com will raise up to $1,000 each in 5 years after the buy out, while LLL.com will go up to $50K-$100K.

I wonder how many people, back in 2005, could bet on a minimun value of $3,000 for QXY.com in 2007.

How weird this sounds now, I agree with Lorenzo that this could very well be happening. A few years ago we had the same discussions for LLL.com's, now people start regging nice pronouncable 5 letter .com's.

Every 2 seconds a .com is regged, so it's not a question if LLLL.com's ever will be all regged, the question is when.

Nice graph of remaining 4 letter .com's at dyyo.com to get the picture:
www.dyyo.com/analysis_remaining.php

All in my opinion of course

 

[deleted984054565403]

I agree with ItalianDragon

I think their value will increase. I personally grab any LLLL.com i find.

If the reg fee is $8/year, then for 10 years, i'll pay $80. and if i have 100 names, thats $8,000 reg fee cost for 10 years.

if i sell each for $1000 after 10 years, then thats 100,000 - $8,000 the cost, well, i would make $92,000.

of course, all this is with the assumption that what ItalianDragon said comes true.
i think its a good investment.

:imho:

Who says LLLLs that you buy now, when the market is saturated so much so that no usable names remain, will sell for $1000 in ten years? That would make the LLLL industry alone a $456,976,000 industry if each name sales for $1,000 minimum. LLLLs that don't consist of "premium" letters or are not brandable will never sell for four figures.

:imho:

LLLL .com domains are probably a safe bet for nothing more than $50-$100, but the minimum wholesale price will never reach above that. Consider that most LLLLs are probably held by domainers and investors -- not end users. In the end, the LLLL market will turn into a virtual .MOBI or .EU -- domainers will snatch up anything good and hold on, while the general public doesn't realize the names' inherent value that domainers give them.

 

[Dotmainer]

Every 2 seconds a .com is regged, so it's not a question if LLLL.com's ever will be all regged, the question is when.

the question is not are we going to live on Mars,
the question is when

LLLL.com are not interesant if i dont have something in mind,
some kind of acronym

Example: dyyo.com ? He can use 'SomeDomain.com' Value on that domainname = 0 IMO, developed (like now) yes have some value, but branding is same.

 

[gazzip]

....because if it does not happen in 2008 , then it will in 2009.

Maybe it will but to be honest the bit that puts me off is seeing lots of random (meaningless) LLLL.com dropping at snapnames after being held sometimes for 3, 5, 6, years or more and when you check the archives they have never been used or were previously listed for sale.

Right now there are currently 1602 LLLL.coms due/showing they are going to drop at snapnames.

I'm sure there are some very very good ones dropping with loads of potential and if you have alot of money to hold them all for many years then that is great and will likely improve your chances of being able to sell some.

....But my advice (as a relative newbie to this) to those that don't would be not to just buy cos it only has four letters.

Check the archives, see what its been doing for the last few years, make sure it has a decent chance of being used as an acronym, check if its been taken in other extensions - before you think of buying it.

At the end of the day if you can't think of what it could be used for then why should you expect anyone else to know ?

JMO - Happy Hunting :tu:

ps - There's alot of bandwagons passing by so choose as best you can before leaping on them.

pps - i have seen a few really nice ones go for just under mid $x,xxx on snapnames but there was a good reason behind that.


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[italiandragon]

:imho:

Who says LLLLs that you buy now, when the market is saturated so much so that no usable names remain, will sell for $1000 in ten years? That would make the LLLL industry alone a $456,976,000 industry if each name sales for $1,000 minimum. LLLLs that don't consist of "premium" letters or are not brandable will never sell for four figures.

:imho:

LLLL .com domains are probably a safe bet for nothing more than $50-$100, but the minimum wholesale price will never reach above that. Consider that most LLLLs are probably held by domainers and investors -- not end users. In the end, the LLLL market will turn into a virtual .MOBI or .EU -- domainers will snatch up anything good and hold on, while the general public doesn't realize the names' inherent value that domainers give them.

the good part is that you being a nice guy, I`m sure you`ll be here IF and WHEN it will happen.

Have you calculated also how much money the LLL.com are all together?

That what...17576 combos......per an average of what? let`s make $10,000 as by now.....so not in 10 years< now will be $175,760,000 NOW.

And how about the useless 3 chars .com?

I sold few weeks ago here , 3z7.com for $130 ......let`s make it cheaper...average of $100 for a 3 char.....which you won`t find but anyway:

46656 x $100 = $4,665,600 for useless 3 chars.

And now you think that people won`t buy a LLLL.com for at least the same price of a 3 char ?
What is better ? 3z7.com or MFQX.com ? f8v.com or XFAV.com ?

Months ago I did some research....and found a large , very large holder of premium LLLL.com , all premium letters. I enquired about one....he replied with "prices are different but the cheaper is $500".

Time will tell.

Kind regards

 

[Dotmainer]

i think this thread should be about WHY NOT and NOT WHY YES ?

 

[gazzip]

i think this thread should be about WHY NOT and NOT WHY YES ?

It is according to the first question


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[italiandragon]

i think this thread should be about WHY NOT and NOT WHY YES ?

he wrote that English is NOT his native language....

 

[.X.]

I'd have to agree with that. Ultimately, I don't think they'll hold a resale value of very much because there are just so many (456,976 LLLL .com), most of which aren't even usable for the reasons gazzip mentioned.

Despite all the buzz, there are too many left available -- according to dyyo.com, there are over 20,000 remaining. There won't be a "big buyout" until there are only a few hundred remaining, and even then, they'll drop regularly.

I'd rather invest my time and money into a domain like "examp.com" rather than "qwzj.com". From a practical standpoint, the number of letters usually doesn't matter or make a domain more usable.

I agree completely....Etab

Speculation has been high for several months, regarding LLLL.com , In my opinion, I think LLLL.com will crash and burn, Why there are some excellent combinations, That carry true dictionary acronym use, And the generics, Well, Premuim generics in any amount of letters, Is going to be very valuable, ""qwzj.com"" as ..Etab pointed out...Is worthless, and will be for years to come aswell, It will not ever reach an end user, Because it has no purpose, Trying even compare LLLL.com to LLL.com, I don't think it can be done. I would venture to think for the most part, All the crappy LLLL.com, without true acronym dictionary use, Will pass hands, from domainer to domainer, Just as the majority of 3char.coms do, I believe resalers will be selling off thier LLLL.com's soon.

 

[bro]

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regards

 

[Dotmainer]

the good part is that you being a nice guy, I`m sure you`ll be here IF and WHEN it will happen.

Have you calculated also how much money the LLL.com are all together?

That what...17576 combos......per an average of what? let`s make $10,000 as by now.....so not in 10 years< now will be $175,760,000 NOW.

And how about the useless 3 chars .com?

I sold few weeks ago here , 3z7.com for $130 ......let`s make it cheaper...average of $100 for a 3 char.....which you won`t find but anyway:

46656 x $100 = $4,665,600 for useless 3 chars.

And now you think that people won`t buy a LLLL.com for at least the same price of a 3 char ?
What is better ? 3z7.com or MFQX.com ? f8v.com or XFAV.com ?

Months ago I did some research....and found a large , very large holder of premium LLLL.com , all premium letters. I enquired about one....he replied with "prices are different but the cheaper is $500".

Time will tell.

Kind regards

Sorry Italiandragon,

dont take it personal, but how good looks that, and how trustable make you
that YOU sold YILX.com for 3$ ?

(pronounceable one)

I mean you may have reasons, but should that sale really be put in sale stats ?

 

[italiandragon]

Sorry Italiandragon,

dont take it personal, but how good looks that, and how trustable make you
that YOU sold YILX.com for 3$ ?

(pronounceable one)

I mean you may have reasons, but should that sale really be put in sale stats ?

YILX to me is not fully pronunciable and I sold it for 3 because it`s expiring in few hours, I totally forgot that I had that name since I never use Namecheap.

You noticed the only LLLL.com that I sold lately and the only one that I sold for under $10 but you did not notice or don`t know the many that I buy.

 

[johntv]

the question is not are we going to live on Mars,
the question is when

LLLL.com are not interesant if i dont have something in mind,
some kind of acronym

Example: dyyo.com ? He can use 'SomeDomain.com' Value on that domainname = 0 IMO, developed (like now) yes have some value, but branding is same.

Zoki, this might be an interesting read for you:
http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/327313-minimum-price-200-any-4-letter.html

Although I'll take note of your comments and appreciate it, I'm convinced any 4 letter .com will have a minimum price of $200 in January 2009, around one and a half years from now. Regged and bought almost 400 LLLL.com names in two months to make sure I will not miss it

 

[VURG]

Call me crasy if you want but I prefer names like YILX to some of the VCVC and CVCV domains that I have seen selling for hundreds of dollars.

This thread is funny as most non-LLLL.com buyers are not the ones answering the question.

There are obviously a lot of great keyword, traffic, .tv, .mobi, LLL.com, etc... alternatives to LLLL.com.

Buying remaining LLLL.com is obviously a speculative form of domaining while buying domains with high traffic or established high values is a more safe bet as there is an agreed value of the domains.

History will show if how popular they will grow with time. $1000 in 5 years seems a bit ambitious. Maybe that will happen but my gut feeling is that it will take a while longer.