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Now I know I will catch some heck from this but....

The USA is one of the first to step up when a Natural Disaster hits other countries. Where is the help for the USA in its time of need? Where is all the aid and help from our so called allies and friends?
 
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australia just put $10 million in aid
 
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I don't expect anyone else to help us, but I do expect us to help us...

Wasn't "G" on the ground on 9/12 giving a speech or something? Why did it take him nearly a week to put a foot in the water?

We should really be careful not to Monday morning quarterback this, but I really thought that it would have been handled so much quicker and with more finesse.

And I still want to see a looter shot or at least caught and made an example of. Again, not the ones trying to survive by punking food and such...those asses with guns ripping TV's and just taking advantage of the situation. A strong message needs to be sent, and that would do it.
 
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ZuraX said:
Now I know I will catch some heck from this but....

The USA is one of the first to step up when a Natural Disaster hits other countries. Where is the help for the USA in its time of need? Where is all the aid and help from our so called allies and friends?

Canada sent search and rescue teams and has the DART emergency team on standby and when the call comes from ths US, they and warships will be sent.

Also, two huge ships full of supplies is leaving Halifax. The military is on standby as well, but the US still hasn't requested for the military, so they will deploy as soon as they are needed.

I think there are other countries doing small things too, it's just that in the scope of things, it's really hard to document and hear/watch about every country's contribution.

But I see what your point is; some countries have yet to help, and some countries have been told to be on standby, should they get the call from the US, they'd need to come in.



True_Snake
 
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The reason the US and others give aid to other countries is because these other countries don't have the resources to recover from these disasters.
There are also political issues involved.

The US has the facilities to recover from this they just don't seem to have very good leadership at any level as far as this hurricane was concerned.
 
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The "HMS Van Amstel" of the Dutch Navy has set course to NO to bring food, water, marines, rubber boats, etc. They hope that by the time of their arrival (4 to 5 days), they will have received the green light from The White House (to be allowed) to help.

Also, Holland is part of the International Energy Agency. The IEA (26 industrialized countries) will make 60 Million barrels of oil from their reserves available to the US.

I bet there's plenty more coming, wether it is from my beloved Dutchmen or others. Meanwhile, try and be better informed, ZuraX.


Bless ya!
Rob
 
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The US senate has approved a $10.5 billion bill for clean up and aid. The house is suspected to vote on it (and support it) today (if they haven't already). There is also over 4,000 national guard troops in route, if not already there. If you don't call that military, I don't know what you would.
 
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Prosperous said:
Meanwhile, try and be better informed, ZuraX.

i agree
 
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Aid is huge and forthcoming

I have been watching 7 channels constantly for the duration of this entire thing, as well as scanning over 20 sites for latest info. FEMA's director stated Monday what was being done to help and he said then that it would take three to five days for all the help to get there. Let's remember just how large 90,000 square miles is, and also the facts that aid is coming from hundreds of miles away and they are traveling through pathways that are clogged with debris. There is a lot of fingerpointing and criticizing from a lot of 'armchair commanders' who say they should do this and that, but until they have pulled up their own sleeves and arrived on scene, they shouldn't talk. Does anyone else agree with me on this?
 
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No. I don't agree.
They are not traveling though pathways, they are traveling Eastbound on I-10 to the city of New Orleans.
If they were prepared it would not take 5 days to transport food and water a couple hundred miles.
They dropped the ball period and people are dying for their incompetence.
 
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They had resources on New Orleans within 18hrs of the strongest part of the hurricane. I saw it with my own eyes. But nobody, not even the media, realized that the water was rising until after that. It took even longer for them to realize that it wasnt just a few thousand who hadn't evacuated, but rather it was tens of thousands, and not even the media was aware of the people at the convention center until wednesday night late, about 12:45am (technically Thursday morning) Within 3 hrs of the realization that the water was indeed going to cover most of the city, the call was made for reinforcements, and those were not simply positioned within a couple hundred miles. These came from all over the country. Think about it. How quickly could you buy millions of bottles of water and mre packets, package them up based upon the information you recieved about just how many you needed. Load them on convoys at least 3 states away. Get all of your people away from their homes, into the starting center, briefed, loaded, and underway. CNN themselves reported Tuesday night that the closest help was coming from over 650 miles away, excluding those who were already in the city helping. This thing is a lot bigger than everybody realizes even now. I'm not trying to stand on a podium and preach, but nothing like this has ever been attempted, not on this level. This is twice the size of the tsunami disaster. As for I-10, much of it is destroyed for up to 75 miles from New Orleans, I have seen firsthand reports from the troops themselves that they tried multiple roads to get there, and had to turn around because there would be houses in the road, or trees, or water. Let's not forget that this is not isolated to New Orleans, but the whole southern half of Louisiana, Mississippi, and a good bit of Alabama. I just think that people need to focus on what they can do to be a part of the solution rather than complaining about what those who are doing something should or should not have done. That is all. I realize that everyone here has made a good point and by looking at just a few reports here and there, it certainly seems like nothing was done until a few days later, but I have seen exactly what has happened every day all day and most of each night since the day before the hurricane hit land and I can tell you, they arent perfect, but they are certainly trying very hard.

I apologize if my this response was overly emotional, but I have friends and family who are both victims and rescuers, and they have been telling me what has been happening to them both in New Orleans and on the way there. If I offended anyone here, I am deeply sorry. I like this forum and think that you are all good people who do care. I guess this just hit kinda close to home:)
 
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It took even longer for them to realize that it wasnt just a few thousand who hadn't evacuated, but rather it was tens of thousands

Not true. I was listening to reports of up to 300,000 people staying behind 24 hours before the storm struck. The knew there were tens of thousands of people there.

and not even the media was aware of the people at the convention center until wednesday night late, about 12:45am

Authorities were telling people to move to the convention center within hours of the levies breaking. The media did know about it, but that's not important. What is very important is that FEMA didn't.

Within 3 hrs of the realization that the water was indeed going to cover most of the city, the call was made for reinforcements, and those were not simply positioned within a couple hundred miles

Why were these reinforcements not positioned within a couple hundred miles?
The had two days notice. This hurricane did not sneak up on them and there are dozens of documented studies painting the picture of what would happen to New Orleans in a Cat5 or Cat4 hurricane.

I'm not trying to stand on a podium and preach, but nothing like this has ever been attempted, not on this level. This is twice the size of the tsunami disaster

What????? How is this twice the size of the tsunami disaster?
This did not need to be "attempted" before. It should at least have been considered and they should at least have had a plan in place that they could implement.

As for I-10, much of it is destroyed for up to 75 miles from New Orleans, I have seen firsthand reports from the troops themselves that they tried multiple roads to get there, and had to turn around because there would be houses in the road, or trees, or water

If I-10 was in such bad shape how come they are having no problem transporting people to Houston. The fact is I-10 was fine West of the city. It's the Eastern access that was damaged.

Let's not forget that this is not isolated to New Orleans, but the whole southern half of Louisiana, Mississippi, and a good bit of Alabama
I doubt that anyone is forgetting that. Of course they were getting aid soon after the hurricane, New Orleans was not.
 
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I don't think everything that could have been done was done. I blame the feds. The destruction was so vast there's no way a single (or three) states could handle it. If they had started using the military to drop food and water by (at least) day two then I think a lot of the misery and lawlessness could have been avoid.

I think we've seen enough of the news and infomercials to know how aid is brought into devastated areas of 3rd world countries. This is not a new process and it's not brain surgery either. They should have started dropping pallets of water (at least) within the first 24 hours!
 
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I'll say, yeah the goverment was slow at respoding. But now people are bringing up racism which i think is just wrong. Nobody though that they storm was going this bad. Nobody was prepaired. The goverment was taken off guard. But for people start saying that there was a slow response because New Orleans is mostly black is wrong. Also the rescue was delayed a few hours because some people were shooting at the rescuers.

Spy
 
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The flood happened a day or so AFTER the hurricane. Before that there wasnt much need to bring in as much as they need now.

Yeah lets park our troops and stuff in the path of the hurricane. They would have been safe according to you armchair quaterbacks.
 
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Kayne West on live T.V. said George Bush doesn't care about black people. Straight out said that. I was like W..O...W...
 
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Humdizzy said:
Kayne West on live T.V. said George Bush doesn't care about black people. Straight out said that. I was like W..O...W...

That was the best TV that NBC has produced in years B-)
 
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Yeah but i think he just made a total idiot of himself.
 
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ZuraX said:
Yeah lets park our troops and stuff in the path of the hurricane. They would have been safe according to you armchair quaterbacks.

One, it didn't take 5 days for New Orleans to flood. I believe it flooded 24 hours later. Two, the troops could have been mobilized with 12 hours after the town started flooding... I mean "Duh!" Three, there was enough devistation with the hurricane alone to warrant bringing in some troops and supplies. They could have been kept to the west and flown in when the time was right.

It's important to assess our response to this incident so that we can learn what was done right and/or wrong. With the possibility of a terrorist attack I think a critique is in order!

Lyte

Humdizzy said:
Kayne West on live T.V. said George Bush doesn't care about black people. Straight out said that. I was like W..O...W...

Now that's just rediculous! I agree this situation wasn't handled as well as it could have been but I do NOT believe Bush was in DC with a big o' grin on his face!
 
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Got to love people that have no clue telling us how it should have been handled.
 
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