What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[offthehandle]

How about this?

 

[TCK]

Is anybody paying attention to this thread who knows how to engage in a polite rational debate?

No one is taking this thread seriously. Those that come in late, like @whenpillarsfall, quickly learn how pointless debating here is. It is incredibly ironic that you would ask whether someone knows "how to engage in a polite rational debate". Unless, of course, you want someone to teach you.

May I ask why you're such a busybody? Nobody is talking to you at all, yet you keep interjecting yourself into this thread in order to complain that I'm speaking to other people.

Well, you're talking to me just now. And you sound incredibly p*****d. Not just at me but at everybody. You need to calm down. It's not good healthwise. I can definitely sense a big change in tone.

 

[Slanted]

@offthehandle,

I'm not going to watch any videos – partly because I'm already watching a movie while typing, and the sound would disturb someone else.

Maybe you're posting those videos for the entertainment of all. But if they're aimed at me, then you would need to write text instead.

 

[offthehandle]

I'm not going to watch any videos – partly because I'm already watching a movie while typing,

There is always tomorrow or next week or future. You mention such strong anti Fox stuff, I posted a specific video for comment. Hitchens, while I dont agree with all his stuff, he has an interesting take on history and religion. I havent heard any Communist ideology of his, so I will have to see what you refer to.

The KOMO special on Seattle is interesting being the local station did it, and I believe both you and Rob have lived and/ or spent time up there, and was quite shocked to see it, Capitol hill lined with tents and along the I5 like that. Of all the downtown cities in the US, it was always pretty cool downtown. It would be nice to know what your opinion is of how this happened, who enabled it to happen and if Boeing, Amazon, Starbucks, Microsoft, etc write checks to donate to clean it up. I believe Seattle downtown area has a lot more wealth concentrated in high rises than say Los Angeles (where few suburban people go downtown), of which people need to deal with it up close. Thats all. Thanks.

 

[Slanted]

No one is taking this thread seriously.

You are, for some reason. Evidently you're obsessed with me.

For people who missed it, I had fun last night baiting @TCK because he's a conspiracy theorist who (for months now) has suffered from the bizarre delusion that I'm not really me. He had another "episode" last night, and it continued for 3 pages:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-67#post-7252799

My girlfriend got a good laugh from it. Might be a fun distraction for somebody.

Those that come in late, like @whenpillarsfall, quickly learn how pointless debating here is.

If people can’t engage in civil debate about ideas with me, then they can’t do it with anybody. Within this thread, as well as elsewhere in public, I've had healthy debates with plenty of people. Unfortunately, some people don’t have the habit or temperament for it.

Some people, like @whenpillarsfall, keep running away and changing the subject, instead of responding to the criticisms I present regarding their views. Obviously that’s a dead end. Unless someone engages his opponent's arguments, no debate can occur. Only whining.

Some people actually cut off all discussion abruptly by saying explicitly that they refuse to change their mind, no matter what. Today @NameLlama did that. Frankly, he was so frank about being closed minded that it surprised me:

This is my religion now, no reasoning with me thank you

Although it sounds sarcastic, he seems to have been serious. I’d love to be mistaken about that, @NameLlama.

And some people, like you @TCK – what can be done about you? Even after months, you are still haunted by fantasies that I'm secretly not me. And you continually try to pick arguments with me that are about nothing at all – for instance, my decision to speak to people who aren't you. As if you were in love with me, always asking why I’m talking to this person or looking at that person!

It's funny because it's weird. But it's also a bit demented, obsessive, and stalker-ish. What do you suggest we do to help you figure yourself out here?

It is incredibly ironic that you would ask whether someone knows "how to engage in a polite rational debate". Unless, of course, you want someone to teach you.

Teach me, please. But first, you need to calibrate your sense of the Truth by convincing yourself that I'm not secretly somebody else. If you can't do that, then I doubt you can do much of anything rationally. It’s a very low bar.

Well, you're talking to me just now. And you sound incredibly p***d. Not just at me but at everybody. You need to calm down. It's not good healthwise. I can definitely sense a big change in tone.

Once again, I'm in bed with my girlfriend, watching a movie, sipping tea, and mocking you for my own enjoyment.

It's amusing how you always end up singing this tune – feigning to be concerned that I am supposedly not "calm".

You say this whenever you have nothing of substance to say. No argument to present. No answer to any of the questions you haven't yet answered. No ideas. Instead, you resort to: "My opponent is too emotional".

I think you think you can annoy me by saying that I’m annoyed. All of your posts have the clear intention to “jab” at me in some way, though the nature of your resentment is unclear. Admittedly, it’s tedious dealing with you. But sometimes it’s worth it because you make a fool of yourself to hilarious effect – like last night when your paranoid delusions were on full display. I had a blast toying with you. And you were so tone-deaf that you genuinely thought you were amassing evidence that I’m an impostor! Please, let’s do that again!

But your favorite pretext for talking to me (when I’m not talking to you) is to complain that I’m talking to people on NamePros without your permission or at all. Never mind that you are always posting in NamePros yourself in order to insinuate that I’m wrong to post in NamePros. Irony ain’t your strong suit.

Seriously, though, are you still experiencing paranoid delusions about my identity? What’s the next step of treatment?

 

[Slanted]

There is always tomorrow or next week or future. You mention such strong anti Fox stuff, I posted a specific video for comment.

Since you seem like someone who is able to politely disagree, I'll take a look at the video you posted later. Please remind me.

Hitchens, while I dont agree with all his stuff, he has an interesting take on history and religion. I havent heard any Communist ideology of his, so I will have to see what you refer to.

From what I've seen of him, I admire his wit but not his ideas. Of course, everybody is right sometimes and wrong sometimes. I'm not going to dismiss 100% of his statements without reading them. If you can quote a specific passage, we can debate that. Otherwise, his anti-religion book will remain in this thread as a source for people who want to read it, which is fine, of course. For balance, they would be well served by reading a book on religious history by an actual historian, who probably doesn't have an ax to grind, the way Hitchens does.

The KOMO special on Seattle is interesting being the local station did it, and I believe both you and Rob have lived and/ or spent time up there, and was quite shocked to see it, Capitol hill lined with tents and along the I5 like that. Of all the downtown cities in the US, it was always pretty cool downtown. It would be nice to know what your opinion is of how this happened, who enabled it to happen and if Boeing, Amazon, Starbucks, Microsoft, etc write checks to donate to clean it up. I believe Seattle downtown area has a lot more wealth concentrated in high rises than say Los Angeles (where few suburban people go downtown), of which people need to deal with it up close. Thats all. Thanks.

Until I watch the video, I won't know what exactly is being referred to. When I first lived in Seattle, it was during the "Occupy Wallstreet" movement. So there were plenty of tents and protesters and marchers. Capitol Hill, where I lived, was a center for that. The process of gentrification has really changed the neighborhood the past 5-10 years. Rent went up by 50% or more, as the Amazon employees moved in.

 

[TCK]

For people who missed it, I had fun last night baiting @TCK because he's a conspiracy theorist

I baited you and you responded exactly as anticipated. I was surprised how quickly you responded and how predictably.

As for the rest of your post, fine, whatever, ok.

With every reply you give more weight to my conclusions.

 

[Slanted]

I baited you and you responded exactly as anticipated.

You're cute. People, for the record, @TCK regards this as his finest hour:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-67#post-7252907

With every reply you give more weight to my conclusions.

So you ARE still convinced that I'm an impostor!

Please elaborate. Who am I? What gave me away?

At the end of every detective novel, Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes reveals the ingenious deductions and the hidden clues by which they discovered the sinister villain's plot. You, sir, are a sleuth of equal genius; and in this final scene, you should, nay, must boast – not to revel in your own acumen so much as to reveal to an appreciative audience the mysterious truths that escaped their collective eye.

Go for it, sir! My hat goes off to you!

 

[TCK]

You're cute. People, for the record, @TCK regards this as his finest hour:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-67#post-7252907



So you ARE still convinced that I'm an impostor!

Please elaborate. Who am I? What gave me away?

At the end of every detective novel, Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes reveals the ingenious deductions and the hidden clues by which they discovered the sinister villain's plot. You, sir, are a sleuth of equal genius; and in this final scene, you should, nay, must boast – not to revel in your own acumen so much as to reveal to an appreciative audience the mysterious truths that escaped their collective eye.

Go for it, sir! My hat goes off to you!

I will let people decide that for themselves. There is plenty of evidence in this thread. One thing that stands out is that you just won't stop posting. You are no longer working for Epik. So, what's your agenda? It seems you are trying to burry the original issue that was the basis for this thread and/or add so much content to this thread as an attempt to boost SEO for Epik's services. Neither of which make sense if you are no longer employed at the company and have supposedly moved on. Adding the fact that your tone is much more aggressive creates more questions. Finally, you have had many opportunities to confirm your identity but you have chosen not to.

 

[offthehandle]

Until I watch the video, I won't know what exactly is being referred to. When I first lived in Seattle, it was during the "Occupy Wallstreet" movement.

I travelled there on business 70’s-90’s numerous times. Traffic was worse than LA way back then if you lived or travelled east across the lake during evening rush hour. Capitol Hill as I recall was an older neighborhood and then was getting pretty beaten up and area to avoid. Havent been back since early 2000’s and actually stayed in downtown for a short vacation.

The term “Gentrification” gets thrown around in a negative light and many complain, but imo it is simply capitalism. Higher income people pay more taxes, drive less so less pollution than say commuting from Kirkland or Redmond. Amazon and other employees I can only assume pay more property taxes than previous owners, high paying jobs and prosperity is a good thing. So, I can only assume displaced have to move way out to Puyallup or Duvall or Marysville. All neighborhoods change, For better or worse. Boeing used to be the major and real only employer other than Lumber, pulp/paper. So, with all the new industry why so much homeless? Can only assume midwest to coastal migration, overcrowding.

For balance, they would be well served by reading a book on religious history by an actual historian,

Certainly, but I question everything written in history because if you think about all of it was written by the survivors of wars, not balanced by those anniliated in whatever war in any country based of either religious conversion or covenance of property- the origin of all wars. So written history really isn’t balanced. My formal propagandized history education in school was lopsided, it didn’t include a open viewpoint of anything. On the other hand, one rare balanced idea given by a History Professor in college is that of the Spanish caste system. I had a different perspective history that didnt push it all as a bad idea. Say 250 years ago, no mass media or world view, People in lower castes lived without any expectation of being able to “advance” materially with property rights or affordability, didnt necessarily rob, lust or covet those who did. Sure, maybe thats about UnAmerican as it gets, but is a more balanced perspective instead of saying all caste systems suck- like my early education. This still exist all around the world too as you know and even living south of the border too. The wannabe or born rich act arrogant and are often more worried about what barrio someone is from more than their level of intelligence. Some Latinos criticize other latino people simply based on their accent, just like a southern versus northern NYC or west coast english accent might criticize one another.

 

[Slanted]

One thing that stands out is that you just won't stop posting.

You ALSO continue posting. And your weird obsession is to post about how I'm posting! What's your fixation with me? It's not new. You've been suffering from this delusion since March, as I recall.

You are no longer working for Epik.

I thought you said I was Rob Monster or some secret committee of Epik staff members? Make up your mind.

So, what's your agenda?

Something nefarious, no doubt. We lizard people are always plotting or scheming.

It seems you are trying to burry the original issue that was the basis for this thread and/or add so much content to this thread as an attempt to boost SEO for Epik's services.

That must be it. When people are saying Religion = Poison / Mental Illness / Plague, they are focusing on the core subject of this thread, right? Or when someone declares that Europe (or "Yurup" in his world) is about to be taken over by radical muslims and become a muslim continent, they are focusing on the core subject of this thread, right? And if I respond to those people, as I have done, then it's because I'm in cahoots with them – with @whenpillarsfall and @NameLlama – to bury information about Epik. And simultaneously to BOOST information about Epik for SEO purposes. Never mind that contradiction. Makes perfect sense.

Adding the fact that your tone is much more aggressive creates more questions.

If you hear aggressive tone everywhere you go, it might be because people consider you a pest. You're behaving a bit like an online stalker – at least here at NamePros – don't you think? Although you don't have any ideas to contribute, you follow me around trying to pick fights and "unmask" me.

Finally, you have had many opportunities to confirm your identity but you have chosen not to.

The only pleasure I get from you is ridiculing your paranoid delusion. So I'm going to drag that on as long as possible. People will always remember you as the guy who was obsessed with me and saw phantoms behind every bush.

 

[TCK]

@Slanted

You are very good at deflection. You should be a politician.

 

[Slanted]

I travelled there on business 70’s-90’s numerous times. Traffic was worse than LA way back then if you lived or travelled east across the lake during evening rush hour. Capitol Hill as I recall was an older neighborhood and then was getting pretty beaten up and area to avoid. Havent been back since early 2000’s and actually stayed in downtown for a short vacation.

The term “Gentrification” gets thrown around in a negative light and many complain, but imo it is simply capitalism. Higher income people pay more taxes, drive less so less pollution than say commuting from Kirkland or Redmond. Amazon and other employees I can only assume pay more property taxes than previous owners, high paying jobs and prosperity is a good thing. So, I can only assume displaced have to move way out to Puyallup or Duvall or Marysville. All neighborhoods change, For better or worse. Boeing used to be the major and real only employer other than Lumber, pulp/paper. So, with all the new industry why so much homeless? Can only assume midwest to coastal migration, overcrowding.

You're right. It was a very different Seattle before the Microsoft. Other tech companies followed. Eventually Amazon. Prior to that, like you say, it was Boeing and lumber. Which is why Grunge music – which came from Seattle and the Pacific Northwest – had a working class, angsty edge; and the musicians wore flannel.

Gentrification is one of those inevitable processes – with good and bad effects. When I lived on Capitol Hill, the college students rented apartments within a few blocks of the campus there. Now they seem to have been pushed farther out. But at the same time, the new rail system they put in makes it much easier to get there from other parts of the city.

Certainly, but I question everything written in history because if you think about all of it was written by the survivors of wars, not balanced by those anniliated in whatever war in any country based of either religious conversion or covenance of property- the origin of all wars. So written history really isn’t balanced. My formal propagandized history education in school was lopsided, it didn’t include a open viewpoint of anything. On the other hand, one rare balanced idea given by a History Professor in college is that of the Spanish caste system. I had a different perspective history that didnt push it all as a bad idea. Say 250 years ago, no mass media or world view, People in lower castes lived without any expectation of being able to “advance” materially with property rights or affordability, didnt necessarily rob, lust or covet those who did. Sure, maybe thats about UnAmerican as it gets, but is a more balanced perspective instead of saying all caste systems suck- like my early education. This still exist all around the world too as you know and even living south of the border too. The wannabe or born rich act arrogant and are often more worried about what barrio someone is from more than their level of intelligence. Some Latinos criticize other latino people simply based on their accent, just like a southern versus northern NYC or west coast english accent might criticize one another.

Absolutely, written history is always lopsided – propagandistic if written by those who took part and spotty if written by those late enough to be impartial. The history that gets taught in public schools – especially prior to university – all around the world tends to has a propagandistic element for the sake of civics or nationalism. It takes a lot of widereading to unlearn that.

And, of course, you're right about the caste systems and discrimination in other countries. Within every Latin American society I've lived in, it exists. Certainly it exists in Egypt, where I lived for a time. Societies do function and achieve a lot even with those class divisions and inequalities. They always have.

I think I understand your point, which I would restate (and agree with) as follows: It should be an open theoretical question whether strict equality for all people within a society is necessarily better than a differentiated class structure where assets and education are concentrated at the top. I mean that we should be allowed to consider that hypothesis and investigate whether it's true without automatically discarding it because it seems unjust. Theoretically such a society might achieve more overall.

Personally, I do favor a more equal society; and I expect there is plenty of evidence for happiness and achievement within more equitable, semi-socialist countries like Sweden or Finland. But I'd be prepared to let that question be settled empirically by measuring the success of various societies in relation to the evenness of their income distribution and the presence or absence of social classes or castes. Let the chips fall where they may in that debate.

 

[Slanted]

@SlantedYou are very good at deflection. You should be a politician.

What deflection? You post a paragraph, and I answer it sentence by sentence. What could be more direct than that?

You, on the other hand, have been deflecting attention away from various questions that I have asked you. Like this one:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-69#post-7253112

As everyone can see, you suffer from an obsessive delusion that I'm not really me.

You asked for proof of my identity. And I asked you what proof would satisfy you? And you wandered off. Since then, you have just reverted to being a busybody / stalker, niggling me with post after obsessive post for talking to people on NamePros. (How dare I without your permission!)

Well, it's your delusion. So how do we prove to a deluded person that he has been deluded? What proof are you asking for when you demand proof of who i am? In your paranoid way, you have insinuated and insinuated. But you have neither spelled out concretely WHO you think I am, nor supplied any evidence for your deranged view, nor explained what proof you would consider to stop being a lunatic.

Am I deflecting? I think I am going straight to the heart of your problem. Will you answer these questions? Or will you deflect in order to continue stalking me for a few more months with paranoid insinuations?

 

[Rob Monster]

I hope the folks in the US had a good Memorial Day.

Personally, I have never served in the military nor has my wife, or any of our 3 sons or 2 daughters. I am a Dutch-American -- the oldest child and oldest grandchild on both sides of the family. As I was born in the US to Dutch parents, I have both a Dutch passport and a US passport. As for core values, while there are Dutch traditions that I greatly appreciate, in terms of national identity, my values are decidedly American.

This short Ronald Reagan speech is a reminder of what it recently meant to be a patriotic American.

However, in the bigger picture, I don't actually believe these are American values per se. I think they are sovereign rights.

Although there are rumors of wars currently, I believe nobody should feel compelled to go to war to kill someone else's father or mother. I hope and pray that war can be avoided and that cooler heads prevail.

In the meantime, I believe our job as Netizens of the World, is to promote communication, cross-cultural understanding, empathy, prosperity and philanthropy. I think we can do all of this better.

As for the folks who want to use this fascinating NamePros thread to engage in intellectual jousting and one-upmanship, I think it is a poor use of their obvious intellect.

At the end of the day, I believe the real battle is not going to be in threads like this one. The real battle is enabling all of humanity the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[TCK]

@Slanted & @Rob Monster

I will leave this thread. So you can freely use it as your propaganda machine in your so-called search for truth. Have fun. I can hear your applause.

 

[Slanted]

@Slanted & @Rob Monster

I will leave this thread. So you can freely use it as your propaganda machine in your so-called search for truth. Have fun. I can hear your applause.

Like it or not, Rob Monster is a separate person from me. I don't work for him. And his worldview has little in common with mine.

But you're absolutely right that people will applaud your departure. Good riddance!

 

[strugar]

Ha ha. It's actually pretty safe to get into a debate with me – as long as someone is willing to

- be open minded
- explain their own ideas
- understand ideas that contradict their ideas
- read
- answer questions
- avoid attacking the person they disagree with
- avoid changing the subject

The people who can abide by those rules of polite, rational debate will either learn something or else persuade me or both.

Missing two important points:

- dedicate one hour a day to read my posts.
- dedicate two more hours a day to read the posts again and again untill you understand them, or give up.

 

[Truespin Domains]

@whenpillarsfall

Let me explain how debate OUGHT to work.

(1) You claim A1.
(2) I counter claim A1 with A2 and invite you to respond.
(3) You counter A2 with A3.
etc.

But instead, this is what you have been doing daily for over a week:

(1) You claim A1.
(2) I counter claim A1 with A2 and invite you to respond.
(3) You run away from A2 and never present any A3 to counter it.
(4) Instead, you change the subject with B1.
(5) I counter B1 with B2 and invite you to respond.
(6) You run away from B2 and never present any B3 to counter it.
(7) You claim C1.
(8) I counter claim C1 with C2 and invite you to respond.
(9) You run away from C2 and never present any C3 to counter it.
(10) Now you repeat claim A1.
(11) I point out that I already responded to A1 with A2, which is awaiting your response.
(12) You run away from A2 and never present any A3 to counter it.
(13) Now you change the subject again and repeat claim B1.
(14) I point out that I already responded to B1 with B2, which is awaiting your response.
etc.

Do you see why that's unproductive? Do you see why it goes nowhere?

This is why I was able to cite 17 posts that refute your view point and to which you have NEVER provided an answer. During the past week, these instances (where I contradict you and you never respond) have accumulated to an extent that ought to be embarrassing, given the amoutn of unrelated clutter you have posted instead of responding:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-65#post-7252520

Since then, you have made probably a dozen posts but NEVER responded to the one you're running away from:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-66#post-7252690

You keep stammering about how offended you are at being called a "bigot", for example, yet you have never addressed the posts where I cite the definition of bigotry and explain why it fits you:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-66#post-7252584

At some point, you ought to break this cycle of endlessly running away, of endlessly changing the subject, of endlessly repeating yourself ... and TRY to respond to SOMETHING that I have said. Adding more and more posts that DON'T respond to any of the posts where I have contradicted you is an eternally losing strategy.

Notice how when YOU say something, I quote it and explain why it's wrong? Generally I do that right away. But I've been pulling teeth for a week to get you to respond to my responses and explain why my refutations of you are wrong. No matter how many times I dare you to respond, you always run away and say something unrelated, which doesn't reference my contradiction of you.

When someone presents a case, explaining why you're wrong, then you really ought to respond to that person's argument. Why don't you? Even if you end up being refuted, there is dignity in engaging with someone. Running away and never responding, there is no dignity. It just looks foolish.

I have made a clear rebuttle of your points about me being a bigot in my last post with the blue headers. It shows you for what you are - a liar.

You stated in black and white, for example, that you never suggested I wanted to inflict violence on religious people. But right there in black and white are two quotes from you suggesting that I do. And now you ignore it.

A picture:

You are a liar!

For all the other points I provided direct quotes from both you and myself that clearly discredit your accusations about what I apparently believe / said.

You will not address this. You instead simply link to old posts, ignoring my clarification of what was said.

It's circular because you're making it circular.

Awaiting apology. But you're obviously too proud to admit you fucked up.

 

[Truespin Domains]

Dishonesty runs throughout your debate.

You have insisted time and time again that I said religious people were diseased. Again, I have clearly responded to this lie, as per the screenshot below.

You lie and claim there is no difference. But you and everyone reading this sorry excuse for a thread knows you are being obtuse.

No matter how much I post clear evidence that you have completely and intentionally misinterpreted my position, you claim otherwise.

You're desparately trying to muddy the waters with your long rambling posts and links that go back to your old arguments.

The facts have all been clearly set out - you lied about my position and then, based on these lies, called me a bigot.

You seemingly consider yourself a man or great insight. But you're just one of those people that's good at regurgitating stuff they've read, but fails miserably when they have to apply their own logic or interpretation, papering over the cracks with fiction.

Pathetic.