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I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

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The entire history from Adam and Eve to the present day is only about 6,000 years. People can debate the historicity of the Biblical record, but secular history fully aligns with all events from Genesis 11 (Tower of Babel) onwards. Here are the main dates, plus or minus a few years, based on the Biblical record and validated by secular history where applicable:

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As for "Neanderthals", if you are relying on the professional liars called paleontologists, I would say they are just not going to be a great source. There was no "missing link" that demonstrates that intelligent humans evolved from monkeys, that evolved from nothing. Research the long and storied history of fossil hoaxes for context, e.g. "Piltdown Man". THIS is definitely nonsense:

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The complexity of DNA and the precision of DNA replication alone should be enough to convince most people that life has an architect. Paleontologists and other "scientists" are relying on billions of years of randomness to convince people that a tornado can go through a junkyard and make a sentient and self-healing Boeing 747 assuming the tornado has enough kicks at the can. Talk about a leap of faith!



https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/dtcgenetictesting/neanderthaldna
"The percentage of Neanderthal DNA in modern humans is zero
or close to zero in people from African populations,
and is about 1 to 2 percent in people of European or Asian background.
Neanderthals were very early (archaic) humans who lived in Europe and
Western Asia from about 400,000 years ago until they became extinct about 40,000 years ago.
However, research has shown that modern humans overlapped with Neanderthal and Denisovan populations for a period, and that they had children together (interbred). As a result,
many people living today have a small amount of genetic material from these distant ancestors."
 
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The complexity of DNA and the precision of DNA replication alone should be enough to convince most people that life has an architect.


The complexity of a "GOD" entity
alone should be enough to convince most people
that life has an architect
other then "GOD"

who created "GOD" ??

and if you accept that there is no need for a creation of the "creator"
why do you need a "GOD" ?

why can't a highly complex universe create itself
if a "god" figure can do so?

universe is god enough for me

maybe the reason is
that in that case
its hard to create a "Satan" figure at the same time
thats only possible with a human kind of creator

can you really not see the nonsense?
 
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The entire history from Adam and Eve to the present day is only about 6,000 years. People can debate the historicity of the Biblical record, but secular history fully aligns with all events from Genesis 11 (Tower of Babel) onwards. Here are the main dates, plus or minus a few years, based on the Biblical record and validated by secular history where applicable:

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As for "Neanderthals", if you are relying on the professional liars called paleontologists, I would say they are just not going to be a great source. There was no "missing link" that demonstrates that intelligent humans evolved from monkeys, that evolved from nothing. Research the long and storied history of fossil hoaxes for context, e.g. "Piltdown Man". THIS is definitely nonsense:

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The complexity of DNA and the precision of DNA replication alone should be enough to convince most people that life has an architect. Paleontologists and other "scientists" are relying on billions of years of randomness to convince people that a tornado can go through a junkyard and make a sentient and self-healing Boeing 747 assuming the tornado has enough kicks at the can. Talk about a leap of faith!

your own mind is creating your reality
same is true for me
and more or less everybody else

you will find evidence for whatever you believe
is true

but that doesn't make it true

your "naive" view of the world
to me is really "far out"

I still think you are just playing games
pretending you believe every nonsense you come across

like the flat earth nonsense
where you admitted that you think its BS, too


just giving food to discuss
and get excited

in order to let us and everybody in the world forget
what you really think

I'm not sure if I should feel scared of you
of feel pity for you
depends on my mood
it changes
 
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Should this thread be under break or entertainment section as it has nothing to do with review?

Or better yet close it for good so the cancer dies not get transmit to other people.
 
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Should this thread be under break or entertainment section as it has nothing to do with review?

Or better yet close it for good so the cancer dies not get transmit to other people.

HeHe,

No way, it has entertainment value and it's a great place to blow off a little steam. :xf.laugh:

Besides

Whats going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

The topic is exactly on topic
 
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your own mind is creating your reality
same is true for me
and more or less everybody else

you will find evidence for whatever you believe
is true

but that doesn't make it true

your "naive" view of the world
to me is really "far out"

I still think you are just playing games
pretending you believe every nonsense you come across

like the flat earth nonsense
where you admitted that you think its BS, too


just giving food to discuss
and get excited

in order to let us and everybody in the world forget
what you really think

I'm not sure if I should feel scared of you
of feel pity for you
depends on my mood
it changes

Thanks Frank.

The good news is that you are getting a fairly distilled introduction to what a rational Bible-believing Christian believes to be the the explanation for why the world is the way that it is, and indeed the meaning of life.

The context of this view might also begin to explain why I would have the audacity to object to the antics of the SPLC when they weaponize social media in order to censor lawful free speech.

As you can see, the topic is even more important than business. Confidence in a Creator heavily informs my world view, and is what prompts me to challenge evil when I see it in action.
 
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Thanks Frank.

The good news is that you are getting a fairly distilled introduction to what a rational Bible-believing Christian believes to be the the explanation for why the world is the way that it is, and indeed the meaning of life.

The context of this view might also begin to explain why I would have the audacity to object to the antics of the SPLC when they weaponize social media in order to censor lawful free speech.

As you can see, the topic is even more important than business. Confidence in a Creator heavily informs my world view, and is what prompts me to challenge evil when I see it in action.


guess my english is really bad ....
 
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God the Creator

On comments about the Chinese, and humanity's lack of progress because of God/religion. Edward de Bono (creative thinking expert) has stated the following in a # of his books. From his book Serious Creativity:

"Chinese technology was very far advanced about two thousand years ago but then it came to an abrupt end because the Chinese never developed the concept of the hypothesis. When everything had been labeled and described by the "scholars" there was no method of provocation or speculation. Possibly the Chinese did not develop the "hypothesis" because they never developed the concept of "God" as a super-designer of the world. A hypothesis is only a presumptuous guess as to what the underlying design might be."

So it seems "God", even if only as a concept, is "a creator" - possibly even "the Creator".

:) ;)
 
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Is it? Either you believe what you say, or else you're staring at a reductio ad absurdum argument that should cause you to abandon your position.

If you believe Religion = Poison, then you have a moral obligation to exterminate that Poison, or contain that Poison behind lock and key, or to make use of that Poison illegal.

I don't believe Religion = Poison. So I'm not in the awkward position you now find yourself in.

Rather, I consider some religious beliefs to be incorrect. Not "poisonous". Merely mistaken and untrue. Most non-religious beliefs are also wrong. I can disagree with and challenge ideas that I consider incorrect without labeling a few billion people as poisonous.

Likewise, I think that some religious rules, practices, and values are harmful whereas others are good. I can say exactly the same thing for non-religious rules, practices, and values. Even in a secular society, there is no shortage of harmful notions.



No, that isn't your position. You didn't say that religion was simply wrong. You called all religion "Poison". And that is why I cornered you about the logical conclusion of your opinion โ€“ which should be concentration camps or forced re-education or laws making poisonous ideas illegal. Rationally, that is the next step. If you're not prepared to take it, then you don't have the courage of your convictions.



Whether I'm an atheist or a zoroastrian or an army of monkeys typing at 1000 typewriters makes no difference. The identity or credentials of the person who is presenting an argument makes no difference as to the argument's validity. That's the ad hominem fallacy.

It strikes me as a bit childish that you want to pick fights with religious people and are only prepared to consider what I've said because I'm not religious.



But you believe Religion = Poison. Given that attitude, I assume you want policies to be made in such a way that Poison is excluded from society as much as possible. For example, I assume you want state education to teach that religion is a fairytale. In other words, you want anti-religious dogma to drive policy making. It's not that you object to dogma driving policy. Rather, you just want the opposite dogma to be in charge so that religious dogma can be suppressed or minimized in the future.

We may both be atheists. But we have diametrically opposed views about society. I would object to any dogma, religious or anti-religious, driving policy. As mentioned previously, I want a free, pluralistic society that allows people with incompatible ideologies to coexist. From my perspective, the enemy isn't someone whose theistic worldview disagrees with what I consider the truth. Rather, the enemy is someone who attempts to enforce homogeneity and create a "pure" society with "correct" beliefs โ€“ like you and the Taliban.



Give me a break! If you believe Hell doesn't exist, then how does it hurt you if someone mistakenly believes you'll go there? Don't pretend to be hurt by something that doesn't hurt you.


"Shall quips and sentences and these paper bullets of the brain awe a man from the career of his humor?"

In any case, we can turn that argument around. Many atheists believe that religious people won't enjoy heaven or see their loved ones again after they die. Atheists believe that a child who dies of cancer is simply worm food. How insulting to the parents who have just lost a daughter and who hope to be reunited! How discouraging to the grandmother in the hospital! "But [they are] meant to respect [your] abhorrent position?"

Yes, people can respect one another even if their world view includes human suffering. Believing that human suffering will occur is very different from hoping to cause that human suffering oneself. Grownups understand this.

You can treat poison in many different ways. It's you that seems to think the only solution is murder and torture - which probably says more about you than me.

As I have said numerous times, I personally treat the poison by calling out nonsensical and unevidenced views when I see them. You are the only one suggesting violence.

If someone you knew had an infectious disease (which religion is) would you kill them or try and cure them? Are you being intentionally simplistic?

And there is a world of difference between me saying that there is no evidence to support the existence of an afterlife and someone wishing eternal torture on me. Again, are you intentionally being dim with these lazy comparisons?

Look at what religion has done to Rob's mind. And you see no issue with this?

Replace God with any other entity and people would consider him seriously mentally ill.
 
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You can treat poison in many different ways. It's you that seems to think the only solution is murder and torture - which probably says more about you than me.

As I have said numerous times, I personally treat the poison by calling out nonsensical and unevidenced views when I see them. You are the only one suggesting violence.

If someone you knew had an infectious disease (which religion is) would you kill them or try and cure them? Are you being intentionally simplistic?

And there is a world of difference between me saying that there is no evidence to support the existence of an afterlife and someone wishing eternal torture on me. Again, are you intentionally being dim with these lazy comparisons?

Look at what religion has done to Rob's mind. And you see no issue with this?

Replace God with any other entity and people would consider him seriously mentally ill.


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One could almost think there is more than one reason you are posting here :xf.laugh::xf.laugh:
 
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Look at what religion has done to Rob's mind. And you see no issue with this?

Replace God with any other entity and people would consider him seriously mentally ill.

Look at what extreme liberalism and extreme feminism has done to women.

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To be clear, I am fine with free will just as I support free speech, and all lawful application of civil liberty. And if a woman wants to abort a baby, that is her sovereign choice, regardless of my opinion about it.

As for my Christian doctrine, you can be sure that it is entirely Biblical. I realize that some of this may be new to the hardened atheists who have been indoctrinated by secular narratives.

You can also be sure that it was the discovery of overwhelming and systemic evil is what led me to conclude that Satan is real, but that Jesus Christ is Lord.

I am not the one with the mental illness. Your continued efforts to mock sound Biblical doctrine has been duly noted. Prayers coming your way @whenpillarsfall.
 
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Look at what extreme liberalism and extreme feminism has done to women.

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To be clear, I am fine with free will just as I support free speech, and all lawful application of civil liberty. And if a woman wants to abort a baby, that is her sovereign choice, regardless of my opinion about it.

As for my Christian doctrine, you can be sure that it is entirely Biblical. I realize that some of this may be new to the hardened atheists who have been indoctrinated by secular narratives.

You can also be sure that it was the discovery of overwhelming and systemic evil is what led me to conclude that Satan is real, but that Jesus Christ is Lord.

I am not the one with the mental illness. Your continued efforts to mock sound Biblical doctrine has been duly noted. Prayers coming your way @whenpillarsfall.

Extreme anything is usually bad. You and I will disagree on the reasons, but I find those comments relating to the fetus appalling too.

Just because I fundamentally disagree with religion doesn't mean I agree with everything else. Religion doesn't have a monopoly on human decency (nor human stupidity).

For example, I think the abortion debate is important for society. However, I'd much prefer if it was evidence based (the idea that many use the beating heart muscle as evidence of humanity seems based more on historic symbolism than anything else, for example) but despite what you may think I don't believe life has no value, or that abortion should become another form of contraception.

The difference is that religion would prefer to shut down the debate and revert to simplistic concepts of good and evil. That in turn has the potential to lead to horrific outcomes - such as, for example, those that become pregnant through rape or face serious health implications by carrying to term.

The greatest freedom is the freedom to change your mind. Anything that prevents that is poison.
 
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The greatest freedom is the freedom to change your mind. Anything that prevents that is poison.

And on this point we'll agree.

At no point during my search for truth did I ever feel that I had all the answers to everything. In fact, the more I know, the more I know I don't know.

However, thanks largely to the Internet, and the ability to source content in many forms from around the world, I have very high confidence that life is not random and that there is a Creator.

The challenge for many will be separating "Religion" from "Faith". I actually agree that most organized religions are toxic. Why? Because they have been infiltrated and weaponized.

For example, there is an article making the rounds on Facebook today:

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/04/the-great-scandal-christianitys-role-in-the-rise-of-the-nazis/

The title is misleading. It conflates Catholics, and in particular Jesuits, with all Christians. Most people will never bother to unpack this piece of history so they are left only with the headline.

There are many excellent books that address the role of the Vatican and in particular the Jesuits, including with the rise of Nazism. The book "Secret History of the Jesuits" is a short but good read.

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And there is a world of difference between me saying that there is no evidence to support the existence of an afterlife and someone wishing eternal torture on me. Again, are you intentionally being dim with these lazy comparisons?

Who is being intentionally dim? Let's see ....

People who believe Hell exists don't necessarily WANT you to be tortured eternally in Hell. On the contrary, the religious ethics of such people generally require them to SAVE you. What they want for you is Heaven.

Granted, there are jerks who are religious and get this upside down, feeling glee at the prospect of their enemies suffering eternal damnation. But that's just petty vindictive human nature going against the religion. What Christianity actually says is this: "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you". Obviously that's incompatible with wishing someone to be tortured eternally. So your characterization is backwards.


Replace God with any other entity and people would consider him seriously mentally ill.

No they wouldn't. Just you.

You believe in science, supposedly. Yet within the DSM-V, which reflects the scientific consensus regarding mental illness, there is no diagnosis for religion as a psychological disorder. Of course, lack of evidence will never stop you from making preposterous generalizations. Whereas science is humble and self-critical, you're as dogmatic as a medieval pope.

You can treat poison in many different ways. It's you that seems to think the only solution is murder and torture - which probably says more about you than me.

Again, who is being intentionally dim here? I don't regard religion as poison. But you do. And I never advocated murder or torture. Instead of committing the straw-man fallacy, if you wish to be taken seriously, you should respond to what I actually said, which was this:

"If you believe Religion = Poison, then you have a moral obligation to exterminate that Poison, or contain that Poison behind lock and key, or to make use of that Poison illegal."

Yet your solution to a Poison that has caused terrible harm to the human race for thousands of years, to a pandemic of infectious mental illness that has already affected billions of people is ... to do nothing to contain the spread of that Pandemic, to do nothing to eliminate that Poison ... only to mock and jeer 1 guy on NamePros because of his religious beliefs?

To me that seems irresponsibly lazy. If I believed, as you say you do, that Religion is a terrible poison, a contagious mental illness, which causes untold repression and violence, and which has no redeeming qualities or necessary function in the world, then I would have the guts to follow the logic of my beliefs

As I have said numerous times, I personally treat the poison by calling out nonsensical and unevidenced views when I see them.

No, that is not what you have been doing. Instead of saying that X is incorrect, you have said that all Religion is Poison. Very very different.

You are the only one suggesting violence.

No. When did I ever suggest violence? The point I've made, which you seem unable or unwilling to grasp is this: Throughout human history, people who regard an idea or a social group as "Poison" generally end up advocating for repression or extermination of that idea / group. That is a rational and appropriate conclusion, based on their premise. Poison should be contained, banned, or eliminated. I disagree with their conclusion because I disagree with their premise. But you agree with the premise that an idea / group (religion / the religious) is Poison. So why don't you accept the logical conclusion that this Poison should be eliminated, contained, or banned?

Are you being intentionally simplistic?

Reductio ad absurdum. Yes, I have reduced your position to its simplest and most absurd conclusions. Much as you may squirm, you are cornered.

If you believe that Religion = Poison, then you must accept your moral responsibility to exterminate, contain, or ban that Poison, since the damage caused by that Poison โ€“ throughout human history and in the lives of the billions of religious people infected by that mental illness today โ€“ is far worse than the negative side effects of eliminating it from society.

If someone you knew had an infectious disease (which religion is) would you kill them or try and cure them?

If there were a global pandemic of contagious mental illness with catastrophic symptoms such as violence or war, which had already infected billions of people, then at some stage along the way responsible doctors and governments would have put the infected people under quarantine; and they would have forced them to undergo a cure.

You say Religion is a Poison or Pandemic of this magnitude. Yet you are too shy or unsure to advocate a systematic quarantine or cure. Why?

Is it because your talk about Religion being a Poison is all bluster and hyperbole, and you need to walk back your position because it's indefensible and you don't really believe it? Or is it because you're afraid that the consequences of your position will make you look like an intolerant monster?
 
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Who is being intentionally dim? Let's see ....

People who believe Hell exists don't necessarily WANT you to be tortured eternally in Hell. On the contrary, the religious ethics of such people generally require them to SAVE you. What they want for you is Heaven.

Granted, there are jerks who are religious and get this upside down, feeling glee at the prospect of their enemies suffering eternal damnation. But that's just petty vindictive human nature going against the religion. What Christianity actually says is this: "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you". Obviously that's incompatible with wishing someone to be tortured eternally. So your characterization is backwards.




No they wouldn't. Just you.

You believe in science, supposedly. Yet within the DSM-V, which reflects the scientific consensus regarding mental illness, there is no diagnosis for religion as a psychological disorder. Of course, lack of evidence will never stop you from making preposterous generalizations. Whereas science is humble and self-critical, you're as dogmatic as a medieval pope.



Again, who is being intentionally dim here? I don't regard religion as poison. But you do. And I never advocated murder or torture. Instead of committing the straw-man fallacy, if you wish to be taken seriously, you should respond to what I actually said, which was this:

"If you believe Religion = Poison, then you have a moral obligation to exterminate that Poison, or contain that Poison behind lock and key, or to make use of that Poison illegal."

Yet your solution to a Poison that has caused terrible harm to the human race for thousands of years, to a pandemic of infectious mental illness that has already affected billions of people is ... to do nothing to contain the spread of that Pandemic, to do nothing to eliminate that Poison ... only to mock and jeer 1 guy on NamePros because of his religious beliefs?

To me that seems irresponsibly lazy. If I believed, as you say you do, that Religion is a terrible poison, a contagious mental illness, which causes untold repression and violence, and which has no redeeming qualities or necessary function in the world, then I would have the guts to follow the logic of my beliefs



No, that is not what you have been doing. Instead of saying that X is incorrect, you have said that all Religion is Poison. Very very different.



No. When did I ever suggest violence? The point I've made, which you seem unable or unwilling to grasp is this: Throughout human history, people who regard an idea or a social group as "Poison" generally end up advocating for repression or extermination of that idea / group. That is a rational and appropriate conclusion, based on their premise. Poison should be contained, banned, or eliminated. I disagree with their conclusion because I disagree with their premise. But you agree with the premise that an idea / group (religion / the religious) is Poison. So why don't you accept the logical conclusion that this Poison should be eliminated, contained, or banned?



Reductio ad absurdum. Yes, I have reduced your position to its simplest and most absurd conclusions. Much as you may squirm, you are cornered.

If you believe that Religion = Poison, then you must accept your moral responsibility to exterminate, contain, or ban that Poison, since the damage caused by that Poison โ€“ throughout human history and in the lives of the billions of religious people infected by that mental illness today โ€“ is far worse than the negative side effects of eliminating it from society.



If there were a global pandemic of contagious mental illness with catastrophic symptoms such as violence or war, which had already infected billions of people, then at some stage along the way responsible doctors and governments would have put the infected people under quarantine; and they would have forced them to undergo a cure.

You say Religion is a Poison or Pandemic of this magnitude. Yet you are too shy or unsure to advocate a systematic quarantine or cure. Why?

Is it because your talk about Religion being a Poison is all bluster and hyperbole, and you need to walk back your position because it's indefensible and you don't really believe it? Or is it because you're afraid that the consequences of your position will make you look like an intolerant monster?

You can keep using logical fallacies to "reduce my argument" and then scream reductio ad absurdum all you want, but you are inserting your own ideas and claiming they are mine. If you're going to use these phrases, at least use them properly.

For example, you say I have a moral duty to eliminate anything that I consider to be a poison... Says who? You? The Bible? What moral framework are you referring to? You simply injected this idea into the debate and then tried to hold me against it. It's your concept, not mine.

Again, in solving the above injected position, you suggest that the only solution is some sort of concentration camp and murder - and then again try and get me to defend this position. It's not mine, and neither is the overarching premise.

You seem more interested in using Latin than the actual substance of what I'm saying. You're spending more time arguing against your own ideas than mine.
 
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@whenpillarsfall

I have a quick question for you....

You are a pretty new to namepros

Your userhandle.... any significance with that in relations to this topic?

Not trying to read anything into it but you seem pretty passionate and I'm just curious how you got to the userhandle.
 
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@whenpillarsfall

I have a quick question for you....

You are a pretty new to namepros

Your userhandle.... any significance with that in relations to this topic?

Not trying to read anything into it but you seem pretty passionate and I'm just curious how you got to the userhandle.

Was just a phrase from a song I like.

https://genius.com/No-bird-sing-dont-think-lyrics

Not a song about religion. It's about a failed relationship.

"Years later and Iโ€™m blissfully bald. But every now and then I get a glimpse of what itโ€™s like when pillars fall"
 
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Was just a phrase from a song I like.

https://genius.com/No-bird-sing-dont-think-lyrics

Not a song about religion. It's about a failed relationship.

"Years later and Iโ€™m blissfully bald. But every now and then I get a glimpse of what itโ€™s like when pillars fall"


Sure thing.

Let's face it -- this account pretty much exists to spread neo-Marxist nonsense. Your posting history is pretty much just posting to this thread. The term "When Pillars Fall" is more likely a hat-tip to this:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/tr...-how-social-movements-can-win-more-victories/

It seems that @MapleDots has outed you so I guess the jig is up. I do think you over-reached yesterday by trying to convince an industry that knows me pretty well that I am "mentally ill".

Anyway, I am pretty sure Epik is not the pillar you are looking for. There are much softer targets these days. That said, your posts do drive page views so I did not call you out. Regardless, thank you for LARPing!
 
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