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I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

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I know I said I am punching out. But can't let this another outrageous claim slip by:

FYI, you can buy these 23-30 foot wall charts that map out the timeline since Adam and Eve about 6000 years ago. Example:

- Dinosaurs are described in the Bible. They were on the earth with mankind and either perished in the flood who were wiped out by dragon-slaying hunters. Nimrod was one of them. Esau likely as well.

Rob, you're saying that dinosaurs existed less than 6000 years ago? :banghead:

Anyways, back to work.
 
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Rob, you're saying that dinosaurs existed less than 6000 years ago? :banghead:

Sure. And if you actually believed your Bible, you would too. And therein lies the problem. Eventually you have to determine your source of truth. Free speech allows that investigation. Propaganda doesn't.

As for glaciers, they were very possibly formed by the frozen remnants of the Biblical flood which was approximately 1648 Anno Mundi, or 2348 BC and has provided fresh water in summer time ever since.
 
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Sure. And if you actually believed your Bible, you would too. And therein lies the problem. Eventually you have to determine your source of truth. Free speech allows that investigation. Propaganda doesn't.

I do believe in the Bible. I don't let other people interpret it for me. I let it interpret itself. And it is in perfect harmony with true science. To believe that dinosaurs existed at the same time as humans is pure fantasy.
 
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That doesn't mean that everybody who believes bad ideas will be persuaded. Obviously that can never be true. But when bad ideas are suppressed, those who hold such opinions feel persecuted. And persecution lends the bad ideas an aura of rebellion or legitimacy, which attracts new followers.

Think about it. If all racists are banned from all mainstream websites and all mainstream registrars, where these racists were in the minority, then what happens? The racists will congregate elsewhere, where they are in the majority. If some suggestible 18-year-old is undecided and walks into a room, then it makes a big difference whether the room is 90% racist or 1% racist. On Facebook, perhaps, the racism would be rebutted by the 18-year-old's friends and fail to spread. But once Facebook bans racist views, then the kid will find that racism in a much more concentrated form on some other platform where it is expressed in much more extreme ways. And there nobody will rebut the dumb racist opinion. So it will seem more plausible. Add to that the allure of having been banned by all the major platforms, and it's no wonder that some naturally rebellious teenager or disgruntled middle-aged dude finds satisfaction and a sense of belonging by participating in a gang of too-dangerous-for-mainstream folks who know the secret truths that "The System doesn't want you to know".

The remedy for the spread of bad ideas isn't to continue de-platforming and suppressing and censoring them until they end up super-concentrated. If you ask me, it's the opposite: Let offensive ideas be expressed in the person's normal social circles and on normal online platforms. That is where those ideas will be challenged in the MAXIMUM way. This dilutes and dissolves most of the bad ideas.
how often do people post really bad stuff out in the open on facebook or twitter, giving their more normal friends and family the chance to argue with them? like the worst things you might see on gab? most people know that has the potential destroy your life.
even if people did, there would probably be a lot of animosity directed towards them, not empathy and sound arguments. then they would likely stop..or continue and lose a lot of respect.
that could push them away too, to other communities.
most of the internet isn't just some kind of public square where everyone is out in the open, engaging in somewhat civil dialogue.

but anyway, people can always make other accounts to interact on bad facebook pages and groups, follow crazy people on twitter, and tweet whatever they want.
they can ignore the few dissenting voices who happen to engage on their crazy twitter feed. there's not really a way to have a good discussion there anyway.
the big social media networks aren't full of patient and empathetic people with rational arguments.
there's a lot of good information to be found, but it's often overlooked or ignored.

if social media was like a public square where everyone was interacting with everyone else, and people usually interacted with civility, and all the best arguments and most convincing evidence were in plain view, then it might be fine to allow hateful racists to have their "booth" in the square, next to everyone else's booths.

(not that a public square is the solution. the majority of the citizens could still end up being idiots who are swayed by the flat-earther or racist. I guess the solution is a good education system, but some would probably whine that it's "indoctrination", because they don't understand what good education is. maybe just getting people to read good books too.)
 
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Should registrars be neutral, or should they take an ideological position?

The smart small ones should be completely neutral and take a leadership position as Rob has with Gab. Let the thought police, investors and public mob and moral outrage be directed at the large public corporation registrars who care more about share prices to allow selective bias to exist. Just like mainstream media bias. Let the niche and small news and opinion websites do their thing and be left alone.
 
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If you decide that the Bible is more important than science you have a problem. Isn't the definition of fanaticism ? You're bound to make lots of bad decisions.
But then it becomes impossible to have a rational discussion. It's like trying to debate a 3-year old child who still believes in fairy tales. Cause the Bible is no different than fairy tables, but for adults. My opinion.

On the other hand scientific facts are not opinions. You like them or you don't, but facts remain facts.

Eventually you have to determine your source of truth. Free speech allows that investigation. Propaganda doesn't.
I don't think you are a truth-seeker, you are only looking for validation. You're a victim of (religious) propaganda yourself. Free speech is useless without the ability to think for yourself.

It's no wonder society is falling apart, when you have more and more people feeding on conspiracy theories and the most unreasonable stuff you can find on the Internet.

Society cannot function without a minimum consensus on reality, which of course does not exclude differences of opinions. Enjoy your stay in the 4th dimension.
 
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...Cause the Bible is no different than fairy tables, but for adults. My opinion.
More like a guidebook for people who subscribe to the greatest story ever told, an ideology of hope, afterlife and forces of good usually winning over evil, imprinted upon them during their childhood, formative years. The smarter ones glimpse the many inconsistencies with the reality around them and desperately search for the truth, that is confirmation, affirmation they are not totally out of their minds. Hence so many interpretations, Churches, religious orders and what not... IMO.
On the other hand scientific facts are not opinions. You like them or you don't, but facts remain facts.
On the other hand, Kate, science isn't what it used to be as recently as the 1970's when I was growing up. Since then, we've learned, or rather started to learn, interesting but also disturbing things about the world around us. Basic science, the particle accelelator, collider, or quantum physics, to name but a few. We are only just beginning to glimpse that our understanding of science is... fragmentary at best! Science wise, things are moving forward at breakneck speed and with advent of AI, they are likely to radically speed up. I wouldn't count on all those science "facts" surviving your lifetime, Kate. Or mine for that matter. Hard to say what's going to emerge at the end of this journey :xf.smile:

Full disclosure: as a child, I was lucky to spend most of my holidays with my late grandfather. He took me to mass every Sunday morning and taught me to pray at night. But also made damn sure that I understood it was all a "Hail Mary" at best, unlikely to solve my childish problems or dreams of toys. But hey, he said, doesn't hurt to ask... on the offchance He (the Allmighty, he's had deep faith in) would listen. And if he was wrong about Him, well, no harm done, he'd tell me :xf.wink:
 
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It's just that, if you believe the Earth is flat there should be evidence that points to it. Within the current state of scientific knowledge of course. But the Bible is not current and never was scientific anyway. Skepticism is one thing, delusion is another. When people profess to know the truth based on some old book and a dose of personal interpretation you know how it ends.
 
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If you decide that the Bible is more important than science you have a problem.

I do understand your mindset. Secular humanism and atheism are their own religion. I don't judge anyone for their choice of faith. It would be fine with me if they returned that favor.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 1:18

I don't think you are a truth-seeker, you are only looking for validation.

Actually, I can assure you that I have all the validation I need. I have strength of conviction due to the overwhelming evidence that the Bible is a historical record. That said, you can believe what you like.

For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. - Galatians 1:10

Enjoy your stay in the 4th dimension.

As for 4D, that sounds like new-age nonsense. :) If you are referring to the prospect of eternity in a glorified body, incapable of death or sickness, it sounds pretty great to me.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. - 1 John 3:2

Seriously though, the overt persecution of Christians around the world, more than any other group, should be the big clue that it really is the Bible-believing Christians who have cracked the code.

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. - John 14:6

If the Christians are right, accepting the free gift of salvation is an unbeatable offer. And if the Christians are wrong, they live their lives believing that they will have to give an account for themselves.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. - Romans 5:12

These are my personal views. They have nothing to do with Epik as a company, which safeguards the lawful free speech of any registrant and will do so to the very best of our ability without bias or favor.
 
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These are my personal views. They have nothing to do with Epik as a company, which safeguards the lawful free speech of any registrant and will do so to the very best of our ability without bias or favor.

Can you define "lawful free speech"? What kind of speech is unlawful? And who makes that call?
 
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Can you define "lawful free speech"? What kind of speech is unlawful? And who makes that call?

The courts make the call in the jurisdiction where the host or registrar operates. Epik cooperates with court orders. As for the USA, free speech is still the law of the land, which is why these issues are being tried in the court of public opinion, and not through a competent judicial process. At least, not yet. More here:

https://www.aclu.org/other/your-right-free-expression
 
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...Enjoy your stay in the 4th dimension.
...As for 4D, that sounds like new-age nonsense...
Admittedly, I'm not current on all latest scientific theorem, arising from some cutting edge, basic science experiments. But I seem to recall something about the likelihood of infinite number of dynamically created and destroyed dimmensions. Depending on little as yet understood energy fluctuations and transfers between said dimmensions. Apologies in advance to those in the loop if I mix up some terms here... this stems from experiments with extremely shortlived particles (like fractions of a second) and related displacement and energy inconsistencies that can't be explained within the framework of traditional physics. Short (pun intended!) version: said particles bombard us from the far reaches of the universe, traversing waaaay much farther than it should be possible during their "lifetime" and given their energy characteristics. This part was already established as fact some 10 or 15 years ago. There are a number of theorems what's the cause of this, skirting (what else?) quantum physics and (what else?) multiple dimmensions :xf.grin:
If you are referring to the prospect of eternity in a glorified body, incapable of death or sickness, it sounds pretty great to me.
What body? C'mon, I had it on good authority, admittedly back a few decades ago, this was supposed to be pure soul, incorporeal life, existence sh... ahem, stuff... no? Or have there been some new "findings" since I was in the loop? (n)

Seriously now: incorporeal soul made some sense... to me at least. Glorified body, not so much. Unless it's an avatar of your former self... like those portrayed in the sci-fi movie Avatar ? I can work with that! :xf.grin:

Disclaimer: apologies all around, I'm very open minded, open to new theories and... findings. But very critical all the same. Things may be improbable, unlikely, but they have to make sense. Turning water into wine. Walking on water. I can work with all that. Flat Earth, not so much... took a trip around the world a couple of times... eastward, then westward, both... wound up back where I'd started from. No unexplained hard turns or turbulence enroute, either. Looking forward to checking out the Antarctic... have this on my bucket list :ROFL:
 
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Seriously now: incorporeal soul made some sense... to me at least. Glorified body, not so much. Unless it's an avatar of your former self... like those portrayed in the sci-fi movie Avatar ? I can work with that! :xf.grin:

Disclaimer: apologies all around, I'm very open minded, open to new theories and... findings. But very critical all the same.

God works in mysterious ways. That being said, there are folks who have tried to unravel this mystery of how dry bones, or even decomposed matter, could resurrected. For example:

https://strangenotions.com/quantum-physics-and-bodily-resurrection-2/

I accept the promise of resurrection (and eternal life) on faith but the science, e.g. Quantum mechanics, teleportation of photons, etc, is starting to imagine how it could be done.
 
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God works in mysterious ways...
Or what's much more likely, whomever they were, they did their thing 2,000 years ago, seeded what they aimed to leave us with here and are long gone from our Solar System :xf.smile:

Nothing wrong with calling them God... any sufficiently advanced civilization and all that jazz :alien:
I accept the promise of resurrection (and eternal life) on faith but the science, e.g. Quantum mechanics, teleportation of photons, etc, is starting to imagine how it could be done.
Well, things seem to be quickly coming to a boil... scientifically, like. I estimate we'll know for sure in a decade or maybe three. Possibly during our lifetimes. My 6 year old daughter will have a front row seat for sure. And she'll be ready. Frankly, I'm not looking forward to this. A couple of billion people having their whole world turned upside down and with no safety belts on! (n):nailbiting::blackeye:

The best we can hope for is that this will come gradually, over a span of years, decades maybe, allowing religions and their adherents to find ways to come to terms with what revelations await us at the end of this journey...

Make no mistake, Rob, truth will out. No matter the depth of your faith or my lack thereof. No matter whether we seek the truth or not, it's coming. And pretty soon. If you and I won't be here to face it, your children, my children, will for sure. Our parents and we started this. Quantum physics. The collider in Switzerland, the Chinese finishing a bigger, more advanced one. AI. VR. 3D printing. Genetic engineering... to name but a few things. We'll reap the consequences. Or our children will. That's assuming they'll survive a couple of other bumps in the road coming before that... fingers crossed O_o
 
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Can you define "lawful free speech"? What kind of speech is unlawful? And who makes that call?

From my understanding, free speech is protected in US by first amendment so technically cannot be unlawful. First amendment does not however protect all speech. For example inciting someone to harm someone (or themselves) is not protected. Courts decide on a case-by-case basis.

When someone talks about defending free speech that is all fine and dandy but is irrelevant when the question is what are they doing about unlawful speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions
 
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From my understanding, free speech is protected in US by first amendment so technically cannot be unlawful. First amendment does not however protect all speech. For example inciting someone to harm someone (or themselves) is not protected. Courts decide on a case-by-case basis.

When someone talks about defending free speech that is all fine and dandy but is irrelevant when the question is what are they doing about unlawful speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

We let the courts interpret the law and enforce their decisions even as we may a registrant on how to defend their legal rights. In some rare cases, we use our own Terms of Service to enforce what we believe the courts would decide, and to refuse service. We don't take such decisions lightly but have certainly taken them, notably in cases of active fraud and incitement to targeted and imminent violence.

One of the great challenges is how to deal with sites where there is user generated content that might constitute active incitement. Our belief is that site administrators have a duty of care to actively monitor their sites for such content, to remove it promptly and to ban such users from submitting content that did not comply with their ToS. And in some cases, obviously objectionable content has been posted by saboteurs.
 
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