What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[Rob Monster]

You use a lot of words just like the videos you post use a lot of words. But you have not shown any evidence anywhere to back up your claims.

But the videos make good use of music, I’ll give you that.

Job speaks of the earth being suspended upon nothing and Isaiah says the earth is a circle, a sphere, a globe.

The Bible does not actually describe a globe. You can do a verse study on the topic here.

As for music, you might enjoy this one:

 

[TCK]

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[TCK]

There is no earthly authority on the matter. However, there are truthseekers. Here is one by Mark Sargent that you might find helpful:

Backed up here.

This has been debunked here, with actual logic and facts:

The Bible does not actually describe a globe. You can do a verse study on the topic here.

As for music, you might enjoy this one:

http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=27&ch=40&l=22-#x

Most translations translate the original Hebrew word Chug as "circle", which does not refer to any flat object.

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/2329.htm

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/circle

Nowhere does the bible describe the earth as a flat circle. But a three dimensional circle, where it is a circle from every direction you look at it from above.

 

[Rob Monster]

Noah's Ark story

No, the Biblical flood happened. Even network television, ABC, covered the archaeological discovery:

It is my thesis that glaciers are in fact giant frozen remnants from the flood. These glaciers produced a steady flow of potable water for thousands of years as they melt off in summers, shrinking by design.

Also, the real Mount Sinai is Jebel el Lawz in Saudi Arabia. There are many online references but here is a recreation of the approximate path taken to get there:

The archaeological record is clear. That area is now guarded by the army of the KSA.

 

[frank-germany]

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[NameLlama]

No, the Biblical flood happened. Even network television, ABC, covered the archaeological discovery:

It is my thesis that glaciers are in fact giant frozen remnants from the flood. These glaciers produced a steady flow of potable water for thousands of years as they melt off in summers, shrinking by design.

Also, the real Mount Sinai is Jebel el Lawz in Saudi Arabia. There are many online references but here is a recreation of the approximate path taken to get there:

The archaeological record is clear. That area is now guarded by the army of the KSA.

There are too many obvious problems with it It's really stupid

When another notoriously large ship (that was purportedly only a fraction of the Ark's size), the Great Michael, was built in 1511, it was said to have taken "all the woods of Fife" (a county in Scotland famous for its shipbuilding), as well as having to import wood from France, other areas in the Baltic sea, and cargo ships scrapped for use in its construction. The Wyoming, the largest wooden ship ever built, used 3100 tons wood and 300 tons metal. A ship of Noah's size would have required tens of thousands of trees to be cut for its construction.

The Wyoming: The longest wooden ship ever built, the six-masted New England gaff schooner Wyoming, had a "total length" of 137 metres (449 ft)

Noah's Ark.. 300 cubits long.. Maybe 450 feet..

 

[frank-germany]

@Rob Monster

ok

I have to admit
you got me.

this whole thread now is talking about pure BS


you and your friend @Slanted have performed extremely well
in deceiving and misguiding people
in posting utter nonsense

and I didn't understand it earlier.
you got me.

nobody by now remembers the stuff that initiated the original interest in your persona

in every post you add a sig that promotes your e **k.com company
you add backlink after backlink that way

you are by far not as stupid as I thought

congrats.

I don't want to support you no more
I' m off

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I think you are referring to the New Testament which were written starting around 66 AD before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD and continuing after until John wraps it up on Patmos around 90 AD while in exile.

On the other hand, the Torah or Pentateuch was written by Moses during the time in desert, e.g. between 1440 and 1400 BC.


Job was likely started before that, likely by Job himself. There is debate as to who finished it. Some say it was Moses.

FYI, you can buy these 23-30 foot wall charts that map out the timeline since Adam and Eve about 6000 years ago. Example:



If you were wondering about why there is all this so-and-so begat so-and-so in the Old Testament, now you know.

FYI, here is my preferred online Bible: It lets you look at the original paleo-Hebrew and Greek text so that you can see if you agree with the translation.

Don't you need an online MonsterFamily.Bible that will last forever? I may have one to sell you

 

[Rob Monster]

The Wyoming: The longest wooden ship ever built, the six-masted New England gaff schooner Wyoming, had a "total length" of 137 metres (449 ft)

Noah's Ark.. 300 cubits long.. Maybe 450 feet..

In case you missed it, there are many modern to-scale replicas, including this one that floats:

So, yes, it can be done, and has been done.

On the other hand, modern masons struggle to imagine how to build the Egyptian pyramids with construction tolerances that seem unachievable in modern times with stones weighing as much as 80 tons each.

There is a fascinating theory about that topic -- hydraulics:

It is entirely possible that humanity has gotten more stupid. Indeed, I think it is likely.

 

[NameLlama]

Right.. A small number of people got allll that wood and built that giant thing themselves

And they got alllll the species on board together and the animals and plants today are descended from them

How dumb do you have to be to accept that

 

[NameLlama]

I doubt many Christians take it seriously

 

[Rob Monster]

I doubt many Christians take it seriously

I think a lot more do than you probably realize. I think those who deeply investigate matters will just find more validation that the Biblical history is substantiated by the archaeological record.

For example, you can go to Borsippa, Iraq and walk on the site of the Tower of Babel, in Borsippa. You can perhaps pick up a brick that Nimrod used to build the Tower of Babel.



The footprint of the structure covered as much as 100 square miles, with the achieved height perhaps multiple miles high. We are talking 6 Burj Khalifa's! Some 600,000 men spent 43 years building it.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2279-babel-tower-of

If you want to go down that rabbit hole, it is a worthy one. There is an excellent teaching here:

Anyway, regardless of what you believe happened to that tower, it was there and suffice it to say that the Babylonian Freemasons had serious engineering and material sciences skills.

 

[Tia Wood]

“Babylonian Freemasons had serious engineering and material sciences skills.”

Science. It Matters Until It Doesn’t™

 

[Rob Monster]

Science. It Matters Until It Doesn’t™

Science. It matters until it is determined to be nonsense. (fixed it for you)

In all seriousness, I am a fan of science.

Alexander Fleming gave humanity disease mitigation through penicillin. It was a breakthrough that saved lives and remains a cost-effective remedy for bacterial infection.

Charles Darwin gave humanity the theory of evolution that made people think that they evolved from nothing and are only a better version of a monkey thanks to being better at killing than getting killed.

I would argue that Fleming did humanity a service.

I would argue that Darwin did humanity a disservice. In fact, there are many who believe that Darwin disavowed his own theory before he died. You can look that up on your own.

While Fleming used science to extend and improve lives, Darwin introduced a myth that made life disposable. After all, killing the weak ones will make the future ones stronger per the Darwinian world view.

While there is observable "survival of the fittest", I am 100% certain that humans did not evolve from monkeys. I am also sure that the earth is not a meaningless speck in a vast expanding universe.

All that said, I remain a fan of science, and also of scientists who have integrity. Unfortunately, many scientists lack integrity, which is why they willingly cooperate in defending nonsense.

 

[Tia Wood]

You forgot the trademark sign.

 

[Rob Monster]

You forgot the trademark sign.

FWIW, my version was in the public domain.

 

[NameLlama]

Sounds like you probably don't understand anything about evolution. Or are you messing with us, as frank-germany seemed to say
Evolution occurs in bacteria too.. That's why antibiotics can stop being effective..

But I would like to sound one note of warning. Penicillin is to all intents and purposes non-poisonous so there is no need to worry about giving an overdose and poisoning the patient. There may be a danger, though, in underdosage. It is not difficult to make microbes resistant to penicillin in the laboratory by exposing them to concentrations not sufficient to kill them,and the same thing has occasionally happened in the body.The time may come when penicillin can be bought by anyone in the shops. Then there is the danger that the ignorant man may easily underdose himself and by exposing his microbes to non-lethal quantities of the drug make them resistant.
Alexander Fleming
Nobel Lecture 1945
https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/06/fleming-lecture.pdf

In a 1945 interview with The New York Times, Alexander Fleming, who won a Nobel Prize that year for his discovery of pencillin, warned that misuse of the drug could result in selection for resistant bacteria. True to this prediction, resistance began to emerge within 10 years of the widescale introduction of penicillin. Indeed, although antibiotics have transformed the medical response to bacterial illness and rendered easily treatable many formerly deadly infections, the mishandling and misprescription of these drugs have transformed the bacterial population such that many antibiotics have partially or entirely lost their efficacy. The problem is severe enough that many experts believe the value of existing antibiotic therapies over the next 100 years is now uncertain. However, some also believe that with a proper response to the current trend in antibiotic resistance, these drugs might once again serve their original function.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702430/

 

[Rob Monster]

Rob, what are your thoughts on transgender people? And do you believe there are more than two genders?

Dear Tia,

You sure bring the softball questions.

I will be candid:

Biologically and anatomically, there are males and females. They can be easily identified through genetic testing, in the unlikely event that the identifying sex organs don't make it obvious.

God is not the author of confusion (See 1 Corinthians 4:33) and had discrete genders in mind. For example, I believe God's ideal woman is described in Proverbs 31.

As for the gender spectrum, we have free will (Galatians 6:7-8), there is the notion of a "reprobate mind" (see Romans 1:32) and there is a Satan that "sifts us as wheat" (see Luke 22:31).

That being said, we are told to judge nobody (1 Corinthians 4:5) and to love everybody (Matthew 22:39). That is what I try to do. I believe I do it with sincerity.

Where it gets more difficult for me is when society enables or even encourages (pre-pubescent) children to initiate a surgical gender-change. It is happening more often, and I can't see much good coming from it.

 

[Tia Wood]

The point I was trying to make by asking those questions is either science is relevant or it isn’t.

So why chose to ignore science on some things but not others?

How do you know when to trust science and when to not? When it seems to confirm the Bible? Isn’t that just a biased view?

To use science when it aligns with how you want to see the world and fill the rest in with some kind of weird philosophy? Because that isn't science.

I used to do the same thing when I was a believer. But you get so far into the rabbit hole you discover the two actually conflict to a point that you have no choice but to pick a side.

Which side do you chose? None of my business. But if you are going to be intellectually honest, either you have to mostly ignore science and stick to the bible or you have to mostly ignore the bible and stick to science.

It's okay to say you are faith based. I would actually respect that a lot more than to see someone use science sometimes and then sometimes not to explain conspiracy theories.

 

[frank-germany]

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/04/politics/fbi-director-wray-white-supremacy/index.html


FBI director says white supremacy is a 'persistent, pervasive threat' to the US
Updated 1527 GMT (2327 HKT) April 4, 2019
Source: CNN

Tapper fact-checks Trump on white nationalist threat 01:02
Washington (CNN)FBI Director Christopher Wray said Thursday that white supremacy presents a "persistent" and "pervasive" threat to the United States, breaking from President Donald Trump, who has sidestepped questions of whether white nationalists present a growing problem.

"The danger. I think, of white supremacists, violent extremism or another kind of extremism is of course significant," Wray said at a House hearing. "We assess that it is a persistent, pervasive threat. We tackle it both through our joint terrorism task forces on the domestic terrorism side as well as through our civil rights program on the civil side through hate crime enforcement."
Wray also spoke out against hate crimes and was asked by Democrats what the FBI was doing to crack down on hate crimes, which they say have ticked up during Trump's presidency.
"We are determined not to tolerate hate-filled violence in our communities, so we're going to aggressively investigate those cases," Wray said, adding that there has been an increase in "the reporting of hate crimes," but that this doesn't automatically mean more hate crimes were happening. FBI efforts to encourage the public to report hate crimes could be yielding benefits, he said.
These comments aren't exactly in line with what Trump has said about the topic of white nationalism. Trump, who appointed Wray in 2017, has downplayed the danger of white nationalism and even praised some of the Nazi sympathizers who marched in Charlottesville, Virginia.
After the New Zealand mosque massacre last month, where a right-wing extremist killed 50 Muslim worshippers, Trump said he didn't consider white nationalism to be a rising global threat.
"I think it's a small group of people that have very, very serious problems, I guess," Trump said.
Muslim advocacy groups in the US said after the tragedy that they would hold Trump responsible for any increase in Islamophobic attacks. An FBI assessment released last year found that there was a 17% spike in reports of hate crime incidents in 2017, compared to 2016.
Trump and his allies have pushed back on accusations that he is soft on white nationalism and that his rhetoric fuels a dangerous climate for minorities. After the New Zealand attacks, acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said, "the President is not a white supremacist."