What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[DaveX]

Do you mean 'is discussion about racism acceptable?' or do you mean as you typed 'is racism acceptable ?' ?

There is a major difference between the two possible questions above. Without the first then we would not be able to debate and question the subject so as to evaluate the second. Without the first we enter into the Orwellian world of '1984' where we are dictated to by those in power who decide what we may or may not think.

I doubt Kate misspoke. Kate asked, "Is racism acceptable?". I see no ambiguity.

 

[frank-germany]

When God serves you lemons, make lemonade.

GOD????

 

[TheBaldOne]

I doubt Kate misspoke. Kate asked, "Is racism acceptable?". I see no ambiguity.

There is great ambiguity. If the question was misspoke then that is understandable, for we all do it and a simple clarification sorts it out, it is also loosely related to the topic of this thread.

However, if Kate meant the question as typed - well that has nothing to do with this thread IMO and is therefore the ambiguity exists.

I hope Kate meant the first and not the second, but to clarify I asked HER.

 

[DaveX]

There is great ambiguity. If the question was misspoke then that is understandable, for we all do it and a simple clarification sorts it out, it is also loosely related to the topic of this thread.

However, if Kate meant the question as typed - well that has nothing to do with this thread IMO and is therefore the ambiguity exists.

I hope Kate meant the first and not the second, but to clarify I asked HER.

IMO it has a lot to do with this thread. I disagree with you. Now what?

 

[DaveX]

And I will answer Kate's question. No, racism is not acceptable.

 

[TheBaldOne]

IMO it has a lot to do with this thread. I disagree with you. Now what?

We await Kate's reply - and not yours.

 

[frank-germany]

We await Kate's reply - and not yours.

It does not mean all opinions are equally valid. Is racism acceptable?

somebody promoting the ideas that lead to racism
and/or are based on racism

would you want that those opinions are valid
and must be heard?

that's how I understand the question

 

[DaveX]

IMO, mentioning Orwell has nothing to do with this thread. And btw, "we" await nothing.

 

[TheBaldOne]

somebody promoting the ideas that lead to rascim
and/or are based on rascim

would you want that those opinions are valid
and must be heard?

that's how I understand the question

Who is to say what is right and wrong without discussion? (I should say that along with several other groups of ancestral heritage my own race has suffered greatly through racism within Europe for centuries, so I know a little about the subject as being of Jewish ancestry, just as Armenians and Gypsies as well as Slavs know, and also Muslims who suffered terrible racism following the break up of the old Yugoslavia - and racism is not restricted to just these groups either).

But the best way to defeat racism is to discuss it, point out the stupidity of it, the fact of the use of ridiculous stereotypes to engender a dislike of a race based on false premises. This leads to debate and education within society, but to achieve this we also let those supporting racism hang themselves by their own contorted arguments and ridiculing the obvious error and often contradictions within their arguments.

 

[frank-germany]

Who is to say what is right and wrong without discussion? (I should say that along with several other groups of ancestral heritage my own race has suffered greatly through racism within Europe for centuries, so I know a little about the subject as being of Jewish ancestry, just as Armenians and Gypsies as well as Slavs know, and also Muslims who suffered terrible racism following the break up of the old Yugoslavia - and racism is not restricted to just these groups either).

But the best way to defeat racism is to discuss it, point out the stupidity of it, the fact of the use of ridiculous stereotypes to engender a dislike of a race based on false premises. This leads to debate and education within society, but to achieve this we also let those supporting racism hang themselves by their own contorted arguments and ridiculing the obvious error and often contradictions within their arguments.

so you think you can fight them better
when they are allowed to be spread?

 

[TheBaldOne]

so you think you can fight them better
when they are allowed to be spread?

Oh yes. An enemy seen and identified is easier 'to deal with' than one who is underground and mingles unseen in the crowd.

 

[mr-x]

so you think you can fight them better
when they are allowed to be spread?

The problem with outlawing certain speech is, rules change based on who is in power. Better to debate bad ideas with good ones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany

 

[frank-germany]

The problem with outlawing certain speech is, allowed speech changes based on who is in power. Better to debate bad ideas with good ones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany

sorry that message is vague
no idea what you mean

 

[Internet.Domains]

It seems as though there are some here that feel debating a subject is an endorsement of the subject. Debate and endorsement are not the same. They are very different. Much of how this thread started was due to "debate" and "endorsement" being misunderstood.

 

[mr-x]

sorry that message is vague
no idea what you mean

When the definition of bad and good ideas / speech is defined by the Government; when the Government changes so do the definitions.

Better to allow open debate than outlaw speech you don't like.

 

[mr-x]

“To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” - Some French Guy.

 

[frank-germany]

When the definition of bad and good ideas / speech is defined by the Government; when the Government changes so do the definitions.

Better to allow open debate than outlaw speech you don't like.

sorry the "bad" ideas we talk about
are "no violence against other people"
and "no spreading hate"

that will not change by a change in government
at least not in germany

and the "outlawed speech" we talk about
is promoting hate and violence

think please

 

[DaveX]

Racism is not stupidity. It is as serious as cancer. Not to be debated but rather eliminated.

 

[TheBaldOne]

sorry the "bad" ideas we talk about
are "no violence against other people"
and "spreading hate"

that will not change by a change in government
at least not in germany

and the "outlawed speech" we talk about
is promoting hate and violence

think please

And yet we are told that if the AfD come to power it will by MSM.

 

[mr-x]

sorry the "bad" ideas we talk about
are "no violence against other people"
and "spreading hate"

that will not change by a change in government
at least not in germany

and the "outlawed speech" we talk about
is promoting hate and violence

think please

You should explore the history of censorship in your own country before insulting people.